Which cheating is worse - dice influence, or counting BJ?

Quote: Paigowdan

Not the point.

Your words, not mine that's the point !

Gotta go shave, leaving for Vegas at 5am LOL

Good night all ......

Quote: MrV

I agree that the casinos and the gaming authorities allow dice setting ... BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT DOESN'T WORK.

Now, you just try to find some authority for the proposition that the casinos and the gaming officials believe that dice setting really works, and that they encourage it anyway ...

Go ahead, I'll wait.

Let's look at this more simply:

A. The gaming authority doesn't necessarily care if dice setting works or not. The Nevada authorities have proscribed what they consider to be a legal throw: dice fly in the air, bounce on the table surface at least once, and hit the back wall. Also on this page of my website http://alanbestbuys.com/id139.html I show you the New Jersey regulations which differ from Nevada AND I have a quote from a Nevada gaming official about why the two states differ with their stated/published regulations.

B. A casino can block dice setters today, tomorrow and any day they like and it has nothing to do with the state regulations about what is a valid throw. The casino alone decides who they do business with. So why the regulations about what is a "valid throw"? So that there is some foundation for the game, that's all.

C. It doesnt matter to the gaming regulators if dice setting works or not because the final authority is the casino as to who gets to play and who gets to throw. In Nevada the gaming regulators say dice setting is legal and an expected part of the game but if the casino doesn't want you to set the dice then you can't. The same is true with card counting. The gaming regulators in Nevada say there is nothing illegal about counting cards in blackjack, but if the casino doesn't want you there, they can keep you from playing.

End of story. Any further argument would be like which came first, the chicken or the egg. It doesn't matter. Stop trying to make dice setters and card counters look like crooks, because theyre not.

A better question is why won't the casinos allow those with a skill to gamble? Why are the casinos allowed to decide who can gamble and who can't? Next the casinos might institute a background check and if your IQ is too high they might block you. Or, if they find you participate in a Forum like this they might block you.

All of the discussion about "legality" of dice setting being legal or illegal is a waste of time. Want to discuss something? Discuss the fair business practices of casinos. Should casinos be allowed to have poor pay tables in video poker? Should casinos limit the number of drinks they serve to customers? Should casinos allow ATMs close to gaming areas? Should casinos allow customers to max out credit cards?

Who are the real criminals?

I think your post opens up the discussion to the entire gamut of gambling ethics.

The question presented in this thread was initially between two narrowly defined practices each shrouded in Hype.

Dice Control has basically two facets: its either a skill surrounded by Hype and Evil-Minded Back-Room Oriented Casinos or its a non-existent skill composed solely of Hype. Which school of thought you subscribe to depends largely on whether you like to sell seminars.

Card Counting is a skill which is also surrounded by Hype. Hype of "I do it openly", "I do it with subtle diversions" all the way to "I do it 10 minimum sweat the money joints and get caught the instant I even think about raising my bet to 15".

No one ever gets audited much less audited by the skeptics that contribute to the various threads here. Still no one seems to be able to point to a gravesite out in the desert any more than they can point to a mansion and say "known card counter".

As long as casinos are willing to pay the price, I see nothing wrong with them encouraging players to get a bit sloshed. ATMs can be an abomination with their fees but no one suggests zoning enforcement be called to forever separate an ATM from those who might be a bit sloshed or a bit tempted. What will they do next? Ban the sale of condoms where ever there is alcohol and beautiful women because the purchaser is not entirely clear headed at the time?

Paytables? I tried to determine the "morally correct minimum passline bet" at the craps table and found a zillion objections to the notion. We can agree that purists hate 6:5 but we can't agree on its being illegal, immoral or fattening.

FleaStiff, I don't know anything about blackjack (played it maybe three times in my life, but once with a card counter who was told, nicely, to "knock it off" and stick with the same bets each hand).

But I do have knowledge of the dice setting/control/influencing "business" and the reality of the skill. Yes, I know the purveyors of dice influencing. Yes, I know they have a business trying to sell the skill as well as the knowledge involved.

So I want to address this comment you made:

"Dice Control has basically two facets: its either a skill surrounded by Hype and Evil-Minded Back-Room Oriented Casinos or its a non-existent skill composed solely of Hype. Which school of thought you subscribe to depends largely on whether you like to sell seminars."

I know of some players (two in particular) who -- call it skill or not -- have had some damn great "hands" with what appears to be a controlled or influenced throw of the dice, and won a lot of money with a roll of the dice that was soft, gently hit the back wall and bounced off slightly, and finished on the inside numbers. Neither of these players is selling anything. On eof them I happen to know was/is a skilled surgeon. Neither has any connection to any school, service, seller of software, books, practice rigs.

It is because of what I saw that I truly believe rolling dice can be a skill. I compare those with the skill to the few giants of the sports world who can throw, shoot, drive, putt, hit a ball with targeted results.

My point is, just because someone subscribes to the concept of dice influencing or setting (I don't like the term "control") does not mean that they are selling anything. They just might have the skill. I have an open mind that someone else might have the skill as well. And for me the point of ths entire discussion is this: should a dice player who has the skill not be allowed to play? And if a dice player with skill is not allowed to play what about a skilled player in video poker -- should he also not be allowed to play?

Quote: FinsRule

Not that anyone cares, but I think it bothers me that casinos allow dice setting because they don't think anyone can do it. Once even one person could prove they could do it, all craps games would change.

Not necessarily. Look at card counting for example. They know that it works sometimes, and that most people, who try it, cannot do it right and end up worse off (just like with dice setting - if one person managed to do it successfully). They can easily stop it, by installing a CSM, by requiring flat betting, by making table max close to min, by simply publishing their secret rule, and making it known to the public, that they don't want anyone to count or by any combination of those methods. But do they?

Ever see your surgeon friend shoot in that same manner and lose?

Fine.
Let us no longer consider whether or not card counting is illegal this, or it is legal that, like it makes any difference.
It does not. It either works in your gambling life, or it does not.

I have never met anyone in this industry who had a viable gaming industry career, either as a player, or as mathematician, or as dealer, or as a game designer, who had ever gotten anything from AP or from counting down God damn nickel Blackjack games.

This includes Eliot and Mike and Charles and Stacy. The four big mathematicians who made their careers from math reports and governemtn work and gaming legal work and other "day time" jobs, not much of an iota from scamming casinos via card counting or hole carding and what have you.

Grey area this, or grey area that, it never worked, outside of the books and movies about Edward Thorpe. Kevin Spacy playing a card-cunting guru on a reel of plastic called a motion picture film.

You can interview these men yourselves about where their life support money and riches came from.
It did not come from AP play.

Start with Eliot, please. He was a college teacher, as was Mike, who was also a government worker. I was a computer programmer and a high school math teacher before I was a dice dealer and game designer. Not a cent of my considerable gaming industry income came from hole-carding, counting cards, or pinching or capping bets. I never even tried, as I knew better from the fucking get-go.
This is the real story.


Or if casino cheating or AP play is "cool to do" or not cool to do - what EVER.

Let us consider whether or not it is a viable use of one's time in life in the gaming industry, or even a viable use of any sort of gambling time here in your gaming life. All those involved will tell you about college teaching, government math work, gaming industry consultancy, and doing math reports for budding game designers, - without a real penny in a pot to piss in from casino cheating or card counting or AP play or the like.

It is all horse shit street cred kind of crap, without a cent of real income to show for it now. This is the real frakin' story. Does anyone think he is making a living grinding out cards at a gambling hall? Any card counter would be a moron if he is still trying that, and he'd be the first to tell you.

Max Ruben did some work for DEQ, supplying casino operators, pitching Blackjack side bets, and he couldn't work for a better game distributor. Sold out to the casino operators and distributors because counting is dead.

Mike Shackleford - our own wizard here - now works for a major casino operator, basically in mathematical game protection now. On the strip. And God Bless him! It was announced here at his own forum, tell me if I am lying.

Ian Anderson and Stanford Wong made most of their life's income from books and reputation, and not from any casino table revenue.
Selling dreams on a forum, they never even had links to their books here, as that would be shameless, because it doesn't work, and they'd be shameless to STILL pitch AP play as a livehood or any sort of income generation. NOTICE THAT THEY DO NOT DO THIS!

I don't think it would. Now, I have done very well in just about all aspects of gaming life and the gaming industry without going anywhere near it, or considering it an issue in my life as a casino dealer or as a casino game designer from square one. If you have a better career in the casino industry with AP play, or a better career as a player with it, then tell us of your fantastic exploits.

Because I can tell you I have slowly risen up to $100,000 a year through hard and honest work in casino pit operations and game design, without a second wasted on hole-carding this, or card-counting that - fuck my street cred with the gamblers on the forums.

I work for the casino operators, - as I had from the get go, and which Mike HIMSELF now does.
Beat THAT!

If you have a story for us on how fucking card-countng or hole-carding made you a secure and successful gaming Industry Professional -
WE ARE ALL EARS ON THIS.

If you do, then tell us of your AP career like you are Max Rubin, or Ian Anderson, or Mike or Chares or Eliot.
They all tried that.
They all sold books, or work for casino operators or distributors, or do math reports NOW. In the end.
And they were they best and the top of it all.

if card counting does not work, why are you so lathered up over it?
not everyone has the ability to sell out to the casino industry based on their connections or math skills.
if they want to try their hand at gaining a legal advantage or improvement in their play,
who are you to tell them it is wrong.
you are no moral authority just becasue you help old ladies across the street or run an "honest game"
in an industry that flagrantly violates the law when it comes to serving alcohol to visibly intoxicated persons.
it is a little condescending and sanctimonious, and tiresome.
everyone is so concerned that you are being attacked, i feel like you are insulting most of the forum on a nearly continuous basis,
but you hide behind your personal relationship with mr. shackleford, and play the victim.
get over yourself.

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Oh, and another thing...

The count is now +11.

Chunk it up, and watch the glory unfold for you, wow....life is sooo good....that is all it took, apparently....

delete,

Quote: WongBo

if card counting does not work, why are you so lathered up over it?

Because I like seeing - I even delight - to see morons punish themselves over it,

- and then associate themselves with the gaming industry, or to a gambling forum.

Like this one here.

Quote: Paigowdan

Because I like seeing - I even delight - to see morons punish themselves over it,

you have such a horrible attitude towards the people that provide you your livelihood.
it is rather sickening and indicative of the problem that the casino industry has as a whole.
when you openly loathe your customers, they develop no sense of loyalty nor desire to rise above their basest instincts.
it is no wonder the casinos number one expense is surveillance.
rest assured your bosses do not trust you either.
as everyone knows the people who preach the hardest are often the ones you have to watch most closely.

We love the people who are good people, and you do not know what the hell you are talking about.
The casino business is very good. Apparently, this is because we have a GREAT attitude with our excellent customers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We give them FANTASTIC service because they deserve it.

And they keep coming back, every day! We casinos do not seem to be going out of business, - regardless of what you say on these forums!

What we are trying to do is something DIFFERENT now....

(we are trying to push away the few nasty casino customers, -

to keep the place good! We force them out of the casinos, where they complain on Internet forums!)


You know WongBo - I did not see you at my table tonight!
I DID see Dave M., or DJTeddybear tonight at the Fiesta Henderson, where we had stayed tonight.
I even dealt to him on dice tonight!

I did see some other forum members just tonight, and this includes DJTeddyBear, who is a forum expert here.
They are in Las Vegas for a showing of his ame at Shufflemasters, on May 2nd, Wednesday.

If you do not believe me, you can PM him yourself -

Or see the post that will come here in a few days !!!!

Under the context of law, cheating require some action that is illegal. Given that card counting is legal, then it cannot be cheating in this context.

In general use 'cheating' do not require some action that is illegal. You can say person A cheated casino B out of 10000 dollars. However this is a bit misleading because many people would immediately think A did something illegal in order to have won that money.

Better say: person A cheated casino B out of 10,000 dollars legally. Or use a different word like tricked, duped.

Quote: newbie49

Under the context of law, cheating require some action that is illegal.

No, you are wrong, and this was explicitly described within this thread itself. It is not a legal issue to be kicked out of a casino for cheating. Can this be "gotten" without police reading you your Miranda rights. For that matter, you can be a cheat in a lot of instances without the Nation Guard being called in, to formally issue an arrest warrant.

A casino operation can refuse any service to, or even expell or eject clientele whom they felt had comitted cheating or unacceptable behavior, - and with full approval and blessing of law authorities, - even though it does not induce an official or nominal criminal violation or an official arrest warrant, or even have formal ordinances in the state staute.

If I may say, your name is quite apt at "Newbie"

Quote: WongBo

you have such a horrible attitude towards the people that provide you your livelihood.
it is rather sickening and indicative of the problem that the casino industry has as a whole.

I wonder ...

How many of the folks who work for the casinos originally had The Dream of being successful gamblers, only to watch their Dream morph into an Addiction?

Then, in order to reign in the Addiction, they went to work for the casinos where they scratch their jones vicariously, and earn a living while doing it.

Schadenfreude replaces G.A.

very many, too many.

Quote: MrV

Schadenfreude replaces G.A.

Exactly.
Criminals and those who commit malfeasance or excess are usually punished by Karma first, - or eventually, - and not by authorities, if ever.
It is as if they punish themselves, and do not see it, and wonder why things are so miserable in some way.

Smart people put on the white hat, and keep their hands clean before washing.

this thread has made me feel like playing some black chip blackjack.
last weekend i took in $2,200 counting.
imagine how much i would have made if it actually worked!
i wish i lived in NV, so i could take the Fiesta for a ride!
good guys wear black

Quote: WongBo

this thread has made me feel like playing some black chip blackjack.
last weekend i took in $2,200 counting.
imagine how much i would have made if it actually worked!
i wish i lived in NV, so i could take the Fiesta for a ride!
good guys wear black

Please - Come on down and let's enjoy the ride!

We are located at 777 West Lake Mead Parkway, Henderson, Nevada, 89015.
We also have a multi-theater cinema complex, a GREAT steak house, a twenty-game casino pit, a full food serice court, - and great slots!

>>> A casino operation can refuse any service to, or even expell or eject clientele whom they felt had comitted cheating or unacceptable behavior, - and with full approval and blessing of law authorities, - even though it does not induce an official or nominal criminal violation or an official arrest warrant, or even have formal ordinances in the state staute.

err what's the point?
You come into my home and you say "I prefer the color red to the color blue." I then tell you to leave my house and never come back.
I TOO will have the "full approval and blessing of law authorities. It does not induce an official or nominal criminal violation or an official arrest warrant, or even have formal ordinances in the state statute."

>>> It is not a legal issue to be kicked out of a casino for cheating. Can this be "gotten" without police reading you your Miranda rights. For that matter, you can be a cheat in a lot of instances without the Nation Guard being called in, to formally issue an arrest warrant.

not sure what point you are trying to make.
Let say the casino kicks you out and state the reason is card counting. That does not mean card counting is illegal.

blackjack sucks in nevada.
i prefer pennsylvania.
every game is 3:2, S17, LSR.

however, aside from my counting, i am a perfect casino customer.
i play six different games, i usually stay for 12 - 18 hours,
i am friendly, courteous, and charming,
i drink heavily and i tip.

Quote: WongBo

blackjack sucks in nevada.
i prefer pennsylvania.
every game is 3:2, S17, LSR.

however, aside from my counting, i am a perfect casino customer.
i play six different games, i usually stay for 12 - 18 hours,
i am friendly, courteous, and charming,
i drink heavily and i tip.

that's fantastic/
you deserve great service!

Quote: newbie49

>>> A casino operation can refuse any service to, or even expell or eject clientele whom they felt had comitted cheating or unacceptable behavior, - and with full approval and blessing of law authorities, - even though it does not induce an official or nominal criminal violation or an official arrest warrant, or even have formal ordinances in the state staute.

err what's the point?
You come into my home and you say "I prefer the color red to the color blue." I then tell you to leave my house and never come back.
I TOO will have the "full approval and blessing of law authorities. It does not induce an official or nominal criminal violation or an official arrest warrant, or even have formal ordinances in the state statute."

>>> It is not a legal issue to be kicked out of a casino for cheating. Can this be "gotten" without police reading you your Miranda rights. For that matter, you can be a cheat in a lot of instances without the Nation Guard being called in, to formally issue an arrest warrant.

not sure what point you are trying to make.
Let say the casino kicks you out and state the reason is card counting. That does not mean card counting is illegal.

The point is is that you cannot walk into any business and think you can do whatever the hell you want.
Too many people think that they can. In fact, they expect that it is a constitutional right. it is not.
Walk in and act great - gracious, polite, normal, and not a cheat - then WELCOME!
Walk in and act with no home training, and one will get shown the door.
Same as with any business.

I just wonder how a play can in fact drink heavily and still maintain the ability to count cards correctly?

Quote: MrV

I just wonder how a play can in fact drink heavily and still maintain the ability to count cards correctly?

Quite a number can.

i have NEVER been asked to leave when suspected of counting.
i have been early shuffled numerous times,
i have been asked to flat bet on several occasions,
i have been asked to play another game twice,
i have been asked to leave a casino NEVER.
it clearly is not illegal, and the casinos know it.
it is also not illegal for them to engage in any of the counter measures mentioned above.
it is simply part of the game.
they know it, i know it, and we fight it out.
it makes the game alot more fun.
and as far as the game of cat and mouse,
even the fastest cat doesn't catch every mouse.

Quote: MrV

I just wonder how a play can in fact drink heavily and still maintain the ability to count cards correctly?

i learned how to play blackjack when i was six.
i learned how to count when i was ten.
i am forty six.
ive had some practice.

Atlantic City casinos in the State of New Jersey are forbidden from barring card counters
as a result of a New Jersey Supreme Court decision.
In 1979 Ken Uston, a Blackjack Hall of Fame inductee, filed a lawsuit against an Atlantic City casino,
claiming that casinos did not have the right to bar skilled players.
(Uston v. Resorts International Hotel Inc., 445 A.2d 370 N.J. 1982)[18].
The New Jersey Supreme Court agreed, ruling that
"the state's control of Atlantic City's casinos is so complete
that only the New Jersey Casino Control Commission
has the power to make rules to exclude skillful players."

and they don't...

>>>The point is is that you cannot walk into any business and think you can do whatever the hell you want.
>>> Too many people think that they can. In fact, they expect that it is a constitutional right. it is not.
>>> Walk in and act great - gracious, polite, normal, and not a cheat - then WELCOME!
>>> Walk in and act with no home training, and one will get shown the door.
>>> Same as with any business.

Option 1:
walk in and win as much as I can. Then get kicked out.
If I have be dishonest towards the casino, then I will as long it is legal.

Option 2:
be welcomed by casino, but play a losing game.

I take Option 1.

I would think that if you drink heavily, you'd get drunk.

How can anyone count cards correctly if they are drunk?

it is not that hard to count at a $100 table.
i usually am playing alone or with one or two others.
i usually play blackjack first, so i am not THAT drunk.
and, as i said, counting is second nature to me, and requires little effort.
i can usually keep count while watching the tv, drinking, and talking with friends.
i can look at a table of 6 hands and tell you the count in about 2 seconds.
my cover is perfect. drinking and distracted.

Quote: WongBo

i have NEVER been asked to leave when suspected of counting.
i have been early shuffled numerous times,
i have been asked to flat bet on several occasions,
i have been asked to play another game twice,
i have been asked to leave a casino NEVER.
it clearly is not illegal, and the casinos know it.
it is also not illegal for them to engage in any of the counter measures mentioned above.
it is simply part of the game.
they know it, i know it, and we fight it out.
it makes the game alot more fun.
and as far as the game of cat and mouse,
even the fastest cat doesn't catch every mouse.

Creary, your Kung Fu is Strong....

Quote: Paigowdan

Creary, your Kung Fu is Strong....

This is very inappropriate. I have flagged this post!

Quote: CrapsForever

This is very inappropriate. I have flagged this post!

Why?
He was bragging about how strong he is, - and I agreed with him.

Edit: Aw, crap, the Supreme Court weighs in....

Quote: Paigowdan

Creary, your Kung Fu is Strong....

What does Creary mean? I imagine you meant to say "Clearly" and I don't believe you mentioning "Creary" was a Typo.

Why did you reference Kung Fu?

It was a typo. I'll go frix it.

RACIST.
i wonder if i had an african name, what kind of nasty sterotypical shit you would spew.
you deserve a suspension.
i may not have been entirely polite with my posts to you but i never stooped to the level of insulting your race.
your post is insulting to every person of Asian descent.

Quote: WongBo

RACIST.

My wife is Asian; she is from Bangkok.
She absolutely loved it, and she suggested I write that.
In fact, she came up with the response herself.
She wrote it.
We were drinking wine.

Edit: as usual, the husband is blamed for the wife's fine efforts.

delete.
not stooping to the level of paigowdan.

Quote: Paigowdan

It was a typo. I'll go frix it.

Quote: Paigowdan

Creary, your Kung Fu is Strong....

You writing "Creary, your Kung Fu is Strong" was NOT a Typo. It is VERY evident what you were trying to imply.

"Wiz" needs to weigh in here.

Quote: Paigowdan

It is not a legal issue to be kicked out of a casino for cheating.

It absolutely is a legal issue.
If a casino ever kicked a counter out for "cheating", that would be the greatest financial success in that counter's life, considering the amount of money he would get awarded in a slander and defamation lawsuit.

Quote: Paigowdan

Creary, your Kung Fu is Strong....

i am quite sure that dan is relying on his status as the teacher's pet to protect him.
whatever, it is has been demonstrated that the wizard holds his friends to a far lower standard than the other forum members.
dan, if you think that is so funny, why don't you try it out the next time some chinese players are in your casino.
see what laughs you get.
you will be picking your teeth out of your stool

Quote: WongBo

delete.
not stooping to the level of paigowdan.

Don't even try.
I have already scrapped the bottom of the barrel, and I am still disgracefully hacking away to descend even further.
At times, sometimes I feel that I have abandoned all hope....

Do not take me too seriously.
I fear that you may have.

trust me, don't take me too harshly or seriously as we can on this board - and my wife doesn't, - and she knows me best.
she is laughing...

But more seriously, cheating in a casino, or breaking the rules, is a bad thing...

Quote: WongBo

whatever, it is has been demonstrated that the wizard holds his friends to a far lower standard than the other forum members.

Well, why not? It is his forum ... And, I think, it is quite understandable that you treat someone you personally know as a good man, a bit differently, then you would some unknown internet personality ...

Quote: Paigowdan

But more seriously, cheating in a casino, or breaking the rules, is a bad thing...

Finally, there is one thing we can agree on :)

Quote: WongBo

Quote: Paigowdan

Creary, your Kung Fu is Strong....

i am quite sure that dan is relying on his status as the teacher's pet to protect him.
whatever, it is has been demonstrated that the wizard holds his friends to a far lower standard than the other forum members.
dan, if you think that is so funny, why don't you try it out the next time some chinese players are in your casino.
see what laughs you get.
you will be picking your teeth out of your stool

Wong,
My wife is Chinese. I was drinking rice wine with her.
She calls me "Xing-Fu Choi, the Pai Gow master" - as a joke - and she laughs at me.
She also calls me "The Crap Master," - being a dice dealer....
She watches me type away here, and she helps me with a sense of humor.
I do indeed laugh with her as she at me, which is also what many people do at this board towards me, and I do not take offense. I do not worry about it, and I take it in stride, and without excess sensitivity.

As for being a teacher's pet, I do NOT consider myself as taking orders, or obeying pacman (Roger) or Mike (Wizard). By NO stretch of the imagination do they protect me. Trust me - I am lucky to have survived either one of these two bloodthirsty men.

Pet?
At this board I have proven myself to be a very tolerant and good-natured whipping post here, who can also joke around, take it, and also give it back. I am not uptight, I have never taken offense to things that I could indeed have.

Edit: Oh, and by the way, your quote of "May I be picking my teeth out of my own stool," - I have never suggested anything quite as openly violent towards you, - but you have towards me. Now you, master WongBo, creary have...ahem...

ok, dan, i got a little hot under the collar, i will try not to take it so seriously.
you seem pretty passionate about your other posts, and your one-sided theories about gaming ethics,
so i take it a little hard when you resort to such cheap tricks as mocking pidgeon english.
seriously, using the excuse that you have an asian wife is weak.
that is like saying it is ok for me use the N-word because i have black friends.
just so you know, it is not ok.
i do not wish harm to come to you,
but i do think it could if you insulted the wrong person in that manner.
let's just keep our arguments confined to the issues of the forum posts.
i do not want to get into any personal insults or attacks and i am sorry if you feel that i attacked you earlier in the thread.

edit: you misquoted me. it was a prediction, not a wish or a threat

WongBo,
I am a passionate man, about my position on ethics and protocol concerning gambling,
but I am always never threatening in a personal way to another person.

As for the Pidgeon English, do not take it wrong, my wife loves for to me do it, along with her inserting four Cantonese words into my own vocabulary each month (along with 87 Thai words each month), and with changing my diet, and with me dealing and studying Pai Gow, and with me going to pray at the Thai Buddhist temple at Nellis and Washington, or the Chinese Temple on Flamngo Road. Trust me, She is trying to insure that my next life is to be in the East by making THIS life more Eastern.

For goodness sakes, if you know my life, or do anything like that, she will have a monk come out to me and say, "Pai Gow Dan, you need to go even faster towards the East, you are progressing too slowly..." No less some guy or gal named WongBo on the Internet.

As far as I know, you' can be an American man from Tennesee.

Already, about half of the dealing crew at Fiesta call me "Xing." They had named me "Xing-Fu Choi," (or "Happy/Lucky") namely from my fellow dealers Yu Cai, Tat, Huanlian, Xin, Fang, et al.

If they or you tell me to "lighten up Jack," you will see me get about as Asian as Pol Pot of Cambodia in its heyday.

And if you want to come to Las Vegas to meet me, WongBo fu, then we will on Spring Mountain Road in Las Vegas China Town.
Then you will meet Xing-Fu Choi in person.
I also do not wish any harm to come to you either, WongBo, so if you want to meet in Las Vegas Chinatown, then you can PM me, buddy. I will show you how to gamble good.

As for keeping the argments confined to the issues, if you break the rules of the house you are gambling at, then you may have done something that may be viewed in some people's eyes as cheating. They will tell you the same thing in New York, Chicago, Beijing, Taipei, and bangkok, as well as in las vegas.

Quote: WongBo

Quote: Paigowdan

Creary, your Kung Fu is Strong....

i am quite sure that dan is relying on his status as the teacher's pet to protect him.
whatever, it is has been demonstrated that the wizard holds his friends to a far lower standard than the other forum members.
dan, if you think that is so funny, why don't you try it out the next time some chinese players are in your casino.
see what laughs you get.
you will be picking your teeth out of your stool

There has already been one warning issued in this thread. It went to FinsRule for the heinous crime of asking a question that at least I was interested in.

He has been an exemplary member and poster since the early days of this forum. That warning now lumps him in with those who habitually use profanity, insults and call others vulgar names. If you're not on the A-list, be careful of what you say.