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UCivan
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February 27th, 2012 at 11:39:40 AM permalink
I found a game in an Indian casino, CA:

Double Back Jack
-2 Decks
-Split 4 Times
-Black Jack pays 2 to 1 & beats dealers Black Jack
-Player 21 pays right away
-Bust and still play (Bust your hand, double your bet, receive 1 card that is subtracted from total)
-Dealers 22 pushes all remaining hands

Has this been analyzed anywhere?
buzzpaff
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February 27th, 2012 at 11:52:29 AM permalink
HE = 00.63%
UCivan
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February 27th, 2012 at 11:58:38 AM permalink
Thanks. Is there a flashy name for it?
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February 27th, 2012 at 12:26:25 PM permalink
Quote: UCivan

-Dealers 22 pushes all remaining hands




"Dealer bust on 22 is a push ........ -6.91%" per WoO webpage

Quote: UCivan


-Bust and still play (Bust your hand, double your bet, receive 1 card that is subtracted from total)



unanalyzed at WoO webpage. Will he stand for it? [I don't see it anyway]
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UCivan
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February 27th, 2012 at 12:32:23 PM permalink
Sorry, I accidentally made two threads for the same subject and don't know how to delete one of them. Could someone teach me?

Quote: AcesAndEights

How'd you get that so quickly? I don't see the "bust and still play" option on the wizard's list of unusual rules and corresponding house edge adjustments.

UCivian, where is this game offered?



This is played at ' rel='nofollow' target='_blank'>http://www.firerocknavajocasino.com/blackjack.html] Fire Rock Navajo Casino.com
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February 27th, 2012 at 5:31:39 PM permalink
Quote: UCivan

I found a game in an Indian casino, CA:

Double Back Jack
-2 Decks
-Split 4 Times
-Black Jack pays 2 to 1 & beats dealers Black Jack
-Player 21 pays right away
-Bust and still play (Bust your hand, double your bet, receive 1 card that is subtracted from total)
-Dealers 22 pushes all remaining hands

Has this been analyzed anywhere?



Fire Rock Navajo Casino's website says, "...Bust and still play (Bust your hand, double your bet, receive 1 card that is subtracted from total)..." Do you know how much such a winning hand would pay? That is, if your original bet was $10, you busted and put up another $10, and then won, would you be paid $10 or $20?

Edit: It's paid $10. Here's a website that explains the game. Even though the game is played with two decks, my infinite-deck strategy agrees exactly with this. My infinite-deck HE is about 1.3% making the game a little worse than buzzpaff's result :-).
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February 27th, 2012 at 6:06:56 PM permalink
Remember I was distracted playing chess at the time. Magnus Carlsen is now down 3 games to nothing and says I am cheating. What a cry baby.
UCivan
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February 27th, 2012 at 6:47:49 PM permalink
Quote: ChesterDog

My infinite-deck HE is about 1.3% making the game a little worse than buzzpaff's result :-).

Right on. Thanks.
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February 27th, 2012 at 7:13:57 PM permalink
I don't know if the game is analyzed, but I believe that the only value of subtracting after a bust would be when the dealer has a 2 or 3 up and you've busted on a 12. Even still, you stand to win 10 or lose 20. That's a standard EV of -1 before you even get to the dealer's hand.
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Switch
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March 1st, 2012 at 10:45:04 AM permalink
With the appearance of 2 new 'push 22' games being discussed in this forum, I'd just like to state that the 'Push 22' concept is patented and the patent is owned by myself and the only licensee is Shuffle Master.
UCivan
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March 1st, 2012 at 10:48:57 AM permalink
OOPs. Will you go after Double Blackjack? or may consult your lawyer for now..
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March 1st, 2012 at 3:22:06 PM permalink
Quote: Switch

... I'd just like to state that the 'Push 22' concept is patented and the patent is owned by myself and the only licensee is Shuffle Master.



I wondered about that......it will be interesting to see if any of the "borrowers of IP" have any success.

It is really gonna suck for them if they get 10-15 installs and suddenly realize they need to shut down or start paying you a royalty!
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March 1st, 2012 at 6:12:29 PM permalink
Quote: UCivan

OOPs. Will you go after Double Blackjack? or may consult your lawyer for now..



Neither at this stage.
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March 1st, 2012 at 7:01:06 PM permalink
Quote: Switch

With the appearance of 2 new 'push 22' games being discussed in this forum, I'd just like to state that the 'Push 22' concept is patented and the patent is owned by myself and the only licensee is Shuffle Master.


Nice ... Does your patent cover pushing on any particular sum above 21, or did you miss that opportunity?
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March 1st, 2012 at 7:23:03 PM permalink
I have no direct knowledge but I bet that totals 22 thru 26 are covered. for a hard 27 you have to hit 17 .
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March 1st, 2012 at 8:00:10 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

I have no direct knowledge but I bet that totals 22 thru 26 are covered. for a hard 27 you have to hit 17 .



Yes, each total from 22 to 26 is covered.
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