AcesAndEights
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February 17th, 2012 at 1:01:25 AM permalink
I saw this game at a local casino tonight. It looks like normal 3-card poker, except the dealer always flips one of his cards face up, and there is a progressive jackpot for certain high hands (I don't remember which ones).

The Ante/Play/PairPlus bets work the same as in normal 3CP, but I'm assuming the ante bonuses must be greatly reduced to make up the house edge lost for showing the players one card? Either that or there is some other rule that is different.

Has anyone seen this game and know the specifics of the pay tables? I should have copied down the PairPlus and Progressive paytables while I was there. There was no Ante bonus paytable listed anywhere.
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NicksGamingStuff
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February 17th, 2012 at 2:52:44 AM permalink
These are usually at card rooms and there is no ante bonus. At all the card rooms in CA one card is dealt face up.
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February 17th, 2012 at 9:16:10 AM permalink
Quote: NicksGamingStuff

These are usually at card rooms and there is no ante bonus. At all the card rooms in CA one card is dealt face up.


Yes this is a "card room" (I still call them casinos since that is what the name on the sign outside says).

I suspected there was no Ante bonus, since the paytable wasn't printed on the felt anywhere. I'm sure this makes the house edge ridiculous. Anyone know of an analysis of this game anywhere?
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February 17th, 2012 at 10:33:31 AM permalink
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Yes this is a "card room" (I still call them casinos since that is what the name on the sign outside says).

I suspected there was no Ante bonus, since the paytable wasn't printed on the felt anywhere. I'm sure this makes the house edge ridiculous. Anyone know of an analysis of this game anywhere?



Here's the WOO page on 3CP It looks to me like the ante bonus adds almost 4% for the player, making the total house edge about 3.3% (from the "ante return table" on the page). That would imply that if the ante bonus didn't exist, the HE would be about 7.46%. From that 7.46% base, you'd need to adjust the HE by the amount of benefit to the player of seeing one of the house's cards. I don't know that benefit is, but if Dan agrees to look the other way, maybe one of the holecarders on the board can fill in the blank? :-)
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February 17th, 2012 at 11:55:29 AM permalink
Scroll down to the bottom of the page you cited.
The Wiz has a link to a page on hole carding.
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February 17th, 2012 at 11:56:30 AM permalink
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Here's the WOO page on 3CP It looks to me like the ante bonus adds almost 4% for the player, making the total house edge about 3.3% (from the "ante return table" on the page). That would imply that if the ante bonus didn't exist, the HE would be about 7.46%. From that 7.46% base, you'd need to adjust the HE by the amount of benefit to the player of seeing one of the house's cards. I don't know that benefit is, but if Dan agrees to look the other way, maybe one of the holecarders on the board can fill in the blank? :-)


Yeah, just need to do the combinatorics/sims to figure out the ideal strategy and then compute the house edge based on that. Also, this game just like normal 3CP is vulnerable to hole-carding if the dealer is careless, then you would need to find the ideal strategy for knowing the upcard and having (possibly incomplete) information about one of the hole cards. It seemed pretty silly, the dealer was picking up his 3 cards from the shuffler, setting them on the table, and then flipping up the top card. I didn't catch a glimpse at the bottom card, but he wasn't being very careful with it. Seems like it would be prudent to just make the bottom card the one that is exposed, then the ability to hole-card the game would be mitigated.
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February 17th, 2012 at 1:22:02 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo

Scroll down to the bottom of the page you cited.
The Wiz has a link to a page on hole carding.



Nice catch! So, taking the hole carding "one rank exposed return table" and making all payouts >2 be equal to 2 instead, I'm getting a HE of about .6%.
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February 17th, 2012 at 1:32:02 PM permalink
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Nice catch! So, taking the hole carding "one rank exposed return table" and making all payouts >2 be equal to 2 instead, I'm getting a HE of about .6%.


I doubt they would offer a carnival game with such a low house edge, even if you are required to follow the correct basic strategy for one card exposed to achieve it. I haven't checked your work though, so I'm not necessarily going to disagree with you.
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February 17th, 2012 at 1:45:06 PM permalink
Quote: NicksGamingStuff

These are usually at card rooms and there is no ante bonus. At all the card rooms in CA one card is dealt face up.


Aha! The Wiz already has a page analyzing the CA version of 3CP with one dealer up card: California Three Card Poker.

Under the rules specified here, there is a fee to play (1% of the wager, rounded up), and there are more complicated rules around the dealer qualifying (e.g. if the dealer does not qualify, but still beats you, both bets push). You can read all the details at the link above. The house edge is 4.30%.

I know for a fact my local casino doesn't charge the per-hand fee, which would lower the edge, but I'm unclear on the rest of the rules. I'll have to make a return visit.
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