In what card game would the player have the highest edge if the cards were dealt face up?

In what card game with a single deck would the player have the highest edge if the cards were dealt face up, and provided that all other gaming proceedures were followed? (Excluding BJ)

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Quote: Keyser

In what card game with a single deck would the player have the highest edge if the cards were dealt face up, and provided that all other gaming proceedures were followed? (Excluding BJ)

I would guess 3 Card Poker. (Not playing the 'pairs plus' bet)

The player makes the 'Ante' ($10) bet. The dealer and player are each dealt 3 cards. If the player sees the dealers 3 cards, the player would see if he has a winning had over the dealer. If it is a winning hand, he makes the 'Play' ($10) bet and wins. If it is a losing hand, the player folds.

Winning hand $10 + $10 = $20
Losing hand - $10

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I think Caribbean Stud is the right answer...

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Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Knowing all 3 dealer cards in 3cp is only a 30 something percent edge.

I am not a math guy, so could you explain why it is only 30 something % edge.

To this non-math guy, I would think that it is a 100% edge to know whether to bet or fold after seeing the dealers cards.

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Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I still dont think that its worth 250% as in Mississippi Stud, but it along with Let it Ride would be quite lucrative.

I interpret face up to mean cards dealt then turned over after action is made. Are the cards in Mississippi stud dealt before action or do they come out of the shoe then immediately get put face up?

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If you knew the "suit" of the community cards dealt at "Let It Ride" how would it affect the house edge? Would it give the player an edge?

The question is "highest edge if the cards were dealt face up". In Missisippi Stud, I think the procedure is to deal the cards after you get your two card hand, so knowing the dealer's two cards doesn't always help. I would take out all of the hold'em games and their variants because you don't know the five cards that are face down.

Let it ride only allows you to triple your bet, but your win rate is at about 24% and would only be advantageous when the two cards make a winning hand.

Four card lets you triple your bet and all hands qualify. If you know the dealer's hand, you would be able to triple your bet every time you won. The dealer always qualifies. The problem is that with a six card hand that the dealer gets, he is more much more likely to beat you.

In caribbean, you would play whenever your hand beat theirs or when the dealer doesn't qualify and fold everything else. The dealer doesn't qualify on 43.68% of hands (you don't either). You would win 3x your bet whenever the dealer qualifies AND you beat their hand.

Three card has qualification as well but you only are allowed to raise one unit.

So I would opine that Three Card is the worst, followed by Let it Ride, Caribbean, with 4 card being the best.

does any casino ever/still have red dog? How do you think this would fair if the cards were face up?

Quote: boymimbo

So I would opine that Three Card is the worst, followed by Let it Ride, Caribbean, with 4 card being the best.

I like your order, but I think MS Stud would be first, assuming the 3 community cards are dealt face up before the players must act. It's usually dealt the same as LIR (but with a 2 card player hand and 3 community cards). So the player would benefit similarly to how they benefit in LIR, but with even more variability surrounding the bet amount and payouts. I think in this case, that variability is all upside and makes the player advantage greater than it is under the other games.

FWIW, Let It Ride would be slightly stronger than 3CP (a few percent), both of which are around 1/7 as strong as face-up Mississippi Stud. I'm not aware of any other game that reached MS levels of insanity with all community or dealer cards dealt face up.

Sorry, double post.

If you knew the "suit" of the cards, then would that give you an edge in 3 Card Poker or Let It Ride?

Quote: Keyser

If you knew the "suit" of the cards, then would that give you an edge in 3 Card Poker or Let It Ride?

I notice that you've posted this in several threads so far, and I'm curious what kind of situation would lead to this question, but I would guess that no, you would not have the edge in either game. Flushes are pretty rare in Let It Ride (and other stud games), so being able to bet on a flush won't happen enough to make all of your non-flush hands worthwhile. In 3CP (as in LIR), knowing the suits before the cards are dealt would obviously be beneficial, but I can't think of a very practical way to use the information once the cards are already out, save for folding versus a dealer's flush (which again, is not common enough to offset the losses from non-flush hands where you're playing with a substantial disadvantage). I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I am curious about your method, though...

Off the top analysis of Carib. Stud

You win the ante every time the dealer DOES NOT qualify.
If the Dealers DOES qualify, you Raise if you have a winner (win 3 units), Fold (lose the ante) if you do not win.

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