Who have you used for a "field trial" for your new game?
September 1st, 2011 at 8:08:52 PM
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I know that there are a few individuals at certain casinos that have been very receptive to providing 'field trials' for new casino table games. Who have you used for a 'field trial' for your new game?
September 1st, 2011 at 8:13:43 PM
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I did.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
September 1st, 2011 at 9:06:49 PM
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Quote: TaxmanCPAI know that there are a few individuals at certain casinos that have been very receptive to providing 'field trials' for new casino table games. Who have you used for a 'field trial' for your new game?
Certain Casino operators are receptive and supportive of new games, giving them good locations, good open hours, and a very fair chance to survive their infancy introduction or field trial. Consider:
Barona Casino, San Diego area.
Golden Nuggent or FitzGerald's - downtown Las Vegas
Ameristar Casino Group - operator of many Mid-West Ameristar Casinos in East Chicago, Kansas City, St. Louis/St. Charles, and Council Bluffs, Iowa, a sister city of Omaha, Nebraska (although their corporate office is in Las Vegas.)
Station Casino Group - their Boulder station and Red Rock Casinos field trial new games.
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September 5th, 2011 at 2:50:25 PM
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How about Sam's Town? It's a local casino, right?
September 5th, 2011 at 4:06:06 PM
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Helps if you live in the UK
"In March 2011 the Gambling Commission consulted on licence condition 9 of the Licence Conditions and Codes of Practice (LCCP): Types and rules of casino and other games. The licence condition was amended with effect from 20 June 2011 and effectively removed the requirement for casino operators in Great Britain to seek our approval to trial new games. We now only prescribe a list of games that may not be played (none at present)."
"In March 2011 the Gambling Commission consulted on licence condition 9 of the Licence Conditions and Codes of Practice (LCCP): Types and rules of casino and other games. The licence condition was amended with effect from 20 June 2011 and effectively removed the requirement for casino operators in Great Britain to seek our approval to trial new games. We now only prescribe a list of games that may not be played (none at present)."
September 5th, 2011 at 4:40:41 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanCertain Casino operators are receptive and supportive of new games, giving them good locations, good open hours, and a very fair chance to survive their infancy introduction or field trial.
Also, certain ones are not. I got my field trial for Ties Win Blackjack thanks to being friends with the president of a casino in Laughlin. However, the vice-president in charge of table games was very sour on having to host it. So, he put all the worst dealers on it, in a slow location, with $1 to $50 limits. That pretty much assured that it got $1-$2 players, which do not generate a lot of profit. In a field trial your game will be compared to a blackjack game open during the same hours. So thanks to all the forces against it, my game made about half the money as the blackjack game next to it.
After a field trial, when you try to sell a game the first question is always, "How did it do on field trial?" That pretty much ends the conversation in the case of my game.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
September 5th, 2011 at 6:31:31 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanCertain Casino operators are receptive and supportive of new games, giving them good locations, good open hours, and a very fair chance to survive their infancy introduction or field trial. Consider:
Ameristar Casino Group - operator of many Mid-West Ameristar Casinos in East Chicago, Kansas City, St. Louis/St. Charles, and Council Bluffs, Iowa, a sister city of Omaha, Nebraska (although their corporate office is in Las Vegas.)
In addition to EZ PaiGow, Ameristar Council Bluffs was one of the first to have Four Card Poker, Texas Shootout (which didn't do much outside of the Kansas City market and apparently some places up in Canada) and Rabbit Hunter. They will put the game in a good location and keep it open most hours of the day. I don't know the specifics of opening with them (Dan obviously does), but they seem to be very receptive to new games.
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September 5th, 2011 at 7:03:38 PM
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Are you talking about "field trial" or "new game"? File Trial does not have any prior data... They are different...Quote: TiltpoulIn addition to EZ PaiGow, Ameristar Council Bluffs was one of the first to have Four Card Poker, Texas Shootout (which didn't do much outside of the Kansas City market and apparently some places up in Canada) and Rabbit Hunter. They will put the game in a good location and keep it open most hours of the day.
September 5th, 2011 at 8:55:34 PM
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I think "both" is a good answer. Both a field trial and a game variant introduction introduce a new game to the gambling public.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
September 6th, 2011 at 9:15:12 AM
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It is a field trial for a new game not a variant. The statistical analysis was performed by a highly respected individual in the industry who provided great insight to get the game over the hump and streamlined for the common player.
Thanks again for your insight. I truly understand that this is an uphill battle and only 1% or less than 1% make it. It took us 4 years and many revisions to get the game to where it is at. Verision 1.0 of the game was a steaming pile of junk. As we developed over the years we went forward and will not regret not taking a chance even though the odds are strongly against us. Plus, we have been able to develop unique friendships along the way.
Thanks again for your insight. I truly understand that this is an uphill battle and only 1% or less than 1% make it. It took us 4 years and many revisions to get the game to where it is at. Verision 1.0 of the game was a steaming pile of junk. As we developed over the years we went forward and will not regret not taking a chance even though the odds are strongly against us. Plus, we have been able to develop unique friendships along the way.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:30:03 PM
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where does your game stand now? looking for a field trial casino?
September 6th, 2011 at 6:35:20 PM
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Hopefully your new game uses cards or dice ?
September 6th, 2011 at 10:55:07 PM
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Why Dice?
Stephen Au-Yeung (Legend of New Table Games®) NewTableGames.com
September 7th, 2011 at 4:45:24 PM
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Eliot's Rule 7 : The game should not involve new physical elements. The established elements of cards and dice are enough.
JUST CURIOUS, THAT'S ALL.
JUST CURIOUS, THAT'S ALL.
September 8th, 2011 at 7:49:57 PM
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The game is a card game. We are attempting to get a field trial set up in Vegas.
We are using a beta version of the game on our website. Also, we are working on social media to get individuals to understand our game online prior to going to a casino to play it live. Just a different philosophy.
We are using a beta version of the game on our website. Also, we are working on social media to get individuals to understand our game online prior to going to a casino to play it live. Just a different philosophy.
September 8th, 2011 at 8:45:16 PM
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Quote: TaxmanCPAThe game is a card game. We are attempting to get a field trial set up in Vegas.
We are using a beta version of the game on our website. Also, we are working on social media to get individuals to understand our game online prior to going to a casino to play it live. Just a different philosophy.
Can you post a link yet?
September 8th, 2011 at 10:17:49 PM
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Does the social network approach mean you game can not be explained in 30 seconds ??
September 9th, 2011 at 11:51:49 AM
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The game can be explained in 15-20 seconds (the key time limit that all executives agree with).
Since it is a new game, we want others to be familiar with the game by playing it online so that they will have no problem sitting down and playing it live at a casino. Just trying to help with the learning curve.
Since it is a new game, we want others to be familiar with the game by playing it online so that they will have no problem sitting down and playing it live at a casino. Just trying to help with the learning curve.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:57:47 AM
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Quote: SwitchCan you post a link yet?
Here is the link:
Match'em HI LO
www.matchemhilo.com/game
This is the beta version of the game. There are bugs it in that we have programmers working on to resolve.
Also note, this is the older version of the rules card, way to wordy. A more condensed and concised rule card will be posted to the site in a few weeks.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:18:08 PM
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I know this is off topic, but I just played two hands of your online game. I was dealt 2, 3, 4 of clubs and the dealer had 5-9 of clubs both times.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:28:23 PM
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Quote: milesI know this is off topic, but I just played two hands of your online game. I was dealt 2, 3, 4 of clubs and the dealer had 5-9 of clubs both times.
Me too. Looks like he forgot to shuffle the deck.
And the contact page spells the company name wrong.
If I were you, I'd take down your site until everything is working properly in a sandbox. You don't want to have typos, broken software, or confusing rack-card language on the site if a gaming operator looks at it, or that will be the end of his visit. There are a *lot* of new game inventors with insufficient polish on their marketing material. Don't be one of them.
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September 9th, 2011 at 1:58:52 PM
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Nice game
Stephen Au-Yeung (Legend of New Table Games®) NewTableGames.com
September 9th, 2011 at 3:01:00 PM
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I would agree with ME. It doesn't sound like you are ready to market the game yet anyway, so I would take down the demo version of the game for sure. IF you don't want to have an "under construction" site for now, I think it would be OK to leave the rack card up or whatever static portion of the website is working.
I didn't go to the Contact page, but if ME is right on it not being all correct, take it down. You aren't missing sales opportunities by not having that up yet and giving the wrong first impression is a bad thing in any business.
The game is an interesting concept and I wish you well.
I didn't go to the Contact page, but if ME is right on it not being all correct, take it down. You aren't missing sales opportunities by not having that up yet and giving the wrong first impression is a bad thing in any business.
The game is an interesting concept and I wish you well.
September 9th, 2011 at 3:02:24 PM
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It's a multi-deck game. So it is possible, but that's one of the bugs we're looking into.
September 9th, 2011 at 3:09:05 PM
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I appreciate everyone's positive input. That is the main reason joined. Positive group of individuals willing to share their experiences and insight in this industry. I have been reading threads and posts for months and decided to start this thread.
September 9th, 2011 at 3:20:53 PM
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I just won 13 billion...roll this game out...
September 9th, 2011 at 4:47:00 PM
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Quote: TaxmanCPAThe game can be explained in 15-20 seconds (the key time limit that all executives agree with).
Since it is a new game, we want others to be familiar with the game by playing it online so that they will have no problem sitting down and playing it live at a casino. Just trying to help with the learning curve.
REALLY 15 or 20 seconds REALLY. Can you type that for me??
September 9th, 2011 at 8:00:38 PM
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How's this:Quote: buzzpaffREALLY 15 or 20 seconds REALLY. Can you type that for me??
It's a dice game, where the roll of the dice advance horses around a track. It has a unique/simple handicapping method and horse race style betting and odds.
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September 9th, 2011 at 8:09:15 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearHow's this:
It's a dice game, where the roll of the dice advance horses around a track. It has a unique/simple handicapping method and horse race style betting and odds.
Excellent Bravo But this is a card game. Wrong thread Teddy LOL
