Mississippi, push from 5's
May 23rd, 2026 at 2:04:05 AM
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Hello to all !
Mississippi Stud Poker. A question for those who are good with math:
- what impact do you think the rule change will have on EV when the bet is pushed from a pair of 5 to 10, instead of from 6 to 10?
Mississippi Stud Poker. A question for those who are good with math:
- what impact do you think the rule change will have on EV when the bet is pushed from a pair of 5 to 10, instead of from 6 to 10?
May 23rd, 2026 at 6:12:11 AM
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Is this a real rule change that is being proposed or implemented for Mississippi Stud or is it just a notional rule change that is part of a thought experiment? If its real, I find it to be very exciting.
On the infrequent occasions when you are dealt a 55 pair to start your EV will go from 2.177959 to 8.424490.
Unsuited K5,Q5,J5: EV goes from -0.901429 to -0.357959
Suited K5,Q5, J5: EV goes from -0.633265 to -0.068367
Unsuited 10,5 EV goes from -1.0 to ???? TBD
Suited 10,5 goes from -1.0 to ????TBD
Unsuited 9,5 goes from -1.0 to -0.893469
Suited 9,5 goes from -1.0 to -0.605714
Unsuited 8,5 goes from -1.0 to -0.85102
Suited 8,5 goes from -1.0 to -0.529082
Unsuited 7,5 goes from -1.0 to -0.81619
Suited 7,5 goes from -1.0 to -0.453469
Unsuited 6,5 goes from -1.0 to -0.78517
Suited 6,5 goes from -0.960000 to -0.385306
Suited 5,4 goes from -1.0 to -0.960000
Then there are all the times when you styrt out with a playable 2 card hand that does not contain a 5 (Such as AK) and then make a 55 pair in the next three cards giving you a push.
Doing the math in my head I can project that this rule change would result in flipping the house advantage to an advantage for the player.
On the infrequent occasions when you are dealt a 55 pair to start your EV will go from 2.177959 to 8.424490.
Unsuited K5,Q5,J5: EV goes from -0.901429 to -0.357959
Suited K5,Q5, J5: EV goes from -0.633265 to -0.068367
Unsuited 10,5 EV goes from -1.0 to ???? TBD
Suited 10,5 goes from -1.0 to ????TBD
Unsuited 9,5 goes from -1.0 to -0.893469
Suited 9,5 goes from -1.0 to -0.605714
Unsuited 8,5 goes from -1.0 to -0.85102
Suited 8,5 goes from -1.0 to -0.529082
Unsuited 7,5 goes from -1.0 to -0.81619
Suited 7,5 goes from -1.0 to -0.453469
Unsuited 6,5 goes from -1.0 to -0.78517
Suited 6,5 goes from -0.960000 to -0.385306
Suited 5,4 goes from -1.0 to -0.960000
Then there are all the times when you styrt out with a playable 2 card hand that does not contain a 5 (Such as AK) and then make a 55 pair in the next three cards giving you a push.
Doing the math in my head I can project that this rule change would result in flipping the house advantage to an advantage for the player.
Last edited by: gordonm888 on May 23, 2026
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May 24th, 2026 at 5:32:32 AM
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If the math says +EV how on earth would it ever happen?
Over-comping happens, mindless promotions happen, risky loss rebates happen, and clever APs find ways most others would never access ... but +EV for all is not going to happen, even if you have to play near perfect
Over-comping happens, mindless promotions happen, risky loss rebates happen, and clever APs find ways most others would never access ... but +EV for all is not going to happen, even if you have to play near perfect
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
May 29th, 2026 at 5:16:51 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitIf the math says +EV how on earth would it ever happen?
Over-comping happens, mindless promotions happen, risky loss rebates happen, and clever APs find ways most others would never access ... but +EV for all is not going to happen, even if you have to play near perfect
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I mean... rarely, but not never.
2-1 on blackjacks has been offered as a promo in the past.
There are VP machines that return slightly over 100%
I think discountgambling.net talks about a face up MS Stud game. That's +EV at a full table if you properly make use of the extra info. (I'm not sure if it's still offered)
