Three Card Split
Galaxy Gaming has a page that gives the basics of the rules.
One interesting variation on the usual PGP rules is that a player loses a copy if the colors of the suits are different, but wins a copy if they are the same.
Anyone tried this before? Does it have a horrendously high house edge or anything? It strikes me that it might not, as there's no dealer qualifying hands, or a commission, or any other real noticeable mechanic that increases the HE. As far as personal experience goes, the game was fun, sort of like a really simplified Pai Gow Poker. The gimmick of the table minimum being $5 but requiring multiple bets was kind of lame, but often I didn't win or lose more than $5 anyway. It was fun to play!
Actually, I just noticed from the Galaxy Gaming website that the casino was incorrectly requiring the third bet along with the other two. Interesting.
Quote: ElectricDreamsI tried out a new table game ("carnival game" I guess) last night at the Ameristar Kansas City called 'Three Card Split'. It plays similar to Pai Gow Poker, except with three cards instead of seven, and there are three bets, not one.
Galaxy Gaming has a page that gives the basics of the rules.
One interesting variation on the usual PGP rules is that a player loses a copy if the colors of the suits are different, but wins a copy if they are the same.
Anyone tried this before? Does it have a horrendously high house edge or anything? It strikes me that it might not, as there's no dealer qualifying hands, or a commission, or any other real noticeable mechanic that increases the HE. As far as personal experience goes, the game was fun, sort of like a really simplified Pai Gow Poker. The gimmick of the table minimum being $5 but requiring multiple bets was kind of lame, but often I didn't win or lose more than $5 anyway. It was fun to play!
Actually, I just noticed from the Galaxy Gaming website that the casino was incorrectly requiring the third bet along with the other two. Interesting.
The house edge would be pretty large the way you describe the game, and it's kind of sneaky how.
A potential copy on any of the three player hands will happen 1/17 (3/51) of the time. Of those, the player will win one and the house will win two. So 2/51 of the time, the house wins ties. But that's only for one of the three cards. There would be a copy that wins for the house 6 out of 51 times, and for the player 3 out of 51 times. Net to the house= 3 out of 51 times, the house will have the advantage in a tie situation. Now, that doesn't make it IMPOSSIBLE for the player to win, but it makes it unlikely. The net effect is that each player "hand" (card) is that much less likely to win as a result of the copy rule, and that makes it harder overall to win the hand. Each hand is fighting an uphill battle of about -2%; so the HE could be figured as: what are your chances of winning two out of three or better if your chances of winning any one hand are 48%? I'm not going to do that calculation now--it's too early in the morning--but that chance is obviously less than 50%.
Quote: mkl654321Quote: ElectricDreamsI tried out a new table game ("carnival game" I guess) last night at the Ameristar Kansas City called 'Three Card Split'. It plays similar to Pai Gow Poker, except with three cards instead of seven, and there are three bets, not one.
Galaxy Gaming has a page that gives the basics of the rules.
One interesting variation on the usual PGP rules is that a player loses a copy if the colors of the suits are different, but wins a copy if they are the same.
Anyone tried this before? Does it have a horrendously high house edge or anything? It strikes me that it might not, as there's no dealer qualifying hands, or a commission, or any other real noticeable mechanic that increases the HE. As far as personal experience goes, the game was fun, sort of like a really simplified Pai Gow Poker. The gimmick of the table minimum being $5 but requiring multiple bets was kind of lame, but often I didn't win or lose more than $5 anyway. It was fun to play!
Actually, I just noticed from the Galaxy Gaming website that the casino was incorrectly requiring the third bet along with the other two. Interesting.
The house edge would be pretty large the way you describe the game, and it's kind of sneaky how.
A potential copy on any of the three player hands will happen 1/17 (3/51) of the time. Of those, the player will win one and the house will win two. So 2/51 of the time, the house wins ties. But that's only for one of the three cards. There would be a copy that wins for the house 6 out of 51 times, and for the player 3 out of 51 times. Net to the house= 3 out of 51 times, the house will have the advantage in a tie situation. Now, that doesn't make it IMPOSSIBLE for the player to win, but it makes it unlikely. The net effect is that each player "hand" (card) is that much less likely to win as a result of the copy rule, and that makes it harder overall to win the hand. Each hand is fighting an uphill battle of about -2%; so the HE could be figured as: what are your chances of winning two out of three or better if your chances of winning any one hand are 48%? I'm not going to do that calculation now--it's too early in the morning--but that chance is obviously less than 50%.
I think you've slightly mis-read the rules. The player will create a 1 card hand and a 2 card hand, and the 2 card hand must be of a higher poker rank than the 1 card hand. I agree with your reasoning for the 1 card hand. The 2 card hand is much less likely to copy, and that'll make the HE lower than you've implied above.
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I think you've slightly mis-read the rules. The player will create a 1 card hand and a 2 card hand, and the 2 card hand must be of a higher poker rank than the 1 card hand. I agree with your reasoning for the 1 card hand. The 2 card hand is much less likely to copy, and that'll make the HE lower than you've implied above.
I thought so, too, that this was not unlike the "mini pai gow" I've seen here and there, but ED said there were "three bets". There is apparently one bet for the one-card hand (front), another for the two-card hand (back), and a third for the entire three-card hand.
The one-card hand bet would therefore seem to have a much lower EV than the other two hands.
Quote: mkl654321I thought so, too, that this was not unlike the "mini pai gow" I've seen here and there, but ED said there were "three bets". There is apparently one bet for the one-card hand (front), another for the two-card hand (back), and a third for the entire three-card hand.
The one-card hand bet would therefore seem to have a much lower EV than the other two hands.
Correct, the third bet is all three cards played together.
There's also a bonus bet involving a fourth bonus card, but I avoided it.
Quote: GlenGFound this buried in a box of random junk..I think it was given away if you get a 3 card royal..When they removed the game off the floor (Ameristar St. Charles/St. Louis) they left the box of pins, so i took one with me lol...I wonder if its on the floor anywhere or it died faster than it lived..I remember it being a nightmare to deal.
I don't know of it being anywhere. I previewed it when it was first being released. I liked it. The inventor is a member here. Maybe he'll see this post and update us.
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