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December 12th, 2023 at 6:49:11 PM permalink
Just stayed at Luxor and they had a brand new table game. Was curious what you think of it and whether there is a good strategy. In particular, I was playing with my spouse so picking different colors to spread the variance and then when it makes sense to double or triple your bet.

CASINO MONTE

Casino Monte is a brand new game with a simple way to win: pick the biggest card!

Wagering: You must place a wager in only one of the three betting spots. By choosing your betting spot color you are selecting to play the corresponding card for the hand. You may also place an optional wager on the Full Monte side bet for a second chance to win big.

Dice Roll: After you have made your bet, the dealer will shake the dice cup and reveal the outcome. If the dice outcome is a 1 or 2, the dealer will draw a card and place it face up in the red position, If the dice outcome is a 3 or 4, the dealer will draw a card and place it face up in the white position. f the dice outcome is a 5 or 6, the dealer will draw a card and place it face up in the blue position.

Player Actions: After the first card has been revealed, you will have the opportunity to make an optional raise. You may chose to raise between lx-3x your initial bet, or, you can choose to check and leave just your initial bet in play.

Dealer Actions: After all players have exercised their option to raise, the dealer will draw a card and place it face up in the open position that is farthest from the shoe. The dealer will draw a final card and place it face up in the final open position.

Pay the Winners: If your card is the biggest card of the three, both your initial wager and your raise are paid 1:l. If two of the three cards are the same rank and are bigger than the remaining card. both cards win and are paid 1:l. If all three cards are equal, all hands win and the initial bet is paid 3:1 and the raise is paid 1:1. Aces are the biggest card and deuces are the smallest card.

Full Monte: an optional side bet that wins if all three dealt cards form a winning poker hand. Winning Full Monte wagers are paid odds according to the paytable below:

HAND PAYS
Suited Three-of-a-Kind 100 to 1
Straight Flush 25 to 1
Three-of-a-Kind 10 to 1
Straight 5 to 1
Flush 3 to 1
Pair 1 to 1

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December 12th, 2023 at 7:18:52 PM permalink
I've been meaning to check out this game. Probably will on Thursday. Anyone want to join me?
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December 14th, 2023 at 6:50:44 PM permalink
I went to the Luxor this afternoon to check out Casino Monte, but it was closed at the time. Here are scans of the rack card. I think I understand them. The ball is in my court to do the math.



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December 14th, 2023 at 7:37:51 PM permalink
I saw this was having a trial but could find nothing on it. I guess it's inspired by Monte Bank but strikes me as more of a Casino War variant.

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December 15th, 2023 at 7:40:21 AM permalink
Here is my strategy:

If your card is exposed, then raise 3x with a jack or higher, otherwise check.
If an opponent card is exposed, then raise 3x if it is a 5 or less, otherwise check.

Following this strategy, I get a house edge (based on the initial wager) of 4.17%.

Here is my analysis of the Full Monte side bet.

Event Pays Combinations Probability Return
Suited three of a kind 100 1040 0.000207 0.020745
Straight flush 25 10368 0.002068 0.051702
Three of a kind 10 25272 0.005041 0.050410
Straight 5 155520 0.031021 0.155107
Flush 3 292896 0.058424 0.175271
Pair 1 977184 0.194918 0.194918
Loser -1 3551040 0.708321 -0.708321
Total 5013320 1.000000 -0.060169


The lower right cell shows a house edge of 6.02%.
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December 15th, 2023 at 8:57:33 AM permalink
My back of the envelope element of risk on the Wiz strategy above on the main game is: 2.17%.
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December 15th, 2023 at 9:55:55 AM permalink
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My back of the envelope element of risk on the Wiz strategy above on the main game is: 2.17%.
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I agree. Probability of raising is 30.77%. Average total wager of 1.923 units.
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December 15th, 2023 at 10:51:33 AM permalink
What was the table minimum on this?
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December 15th, 2023 at 4:46:50 PM permalink
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What was the table minimum on this?
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It was closed when I was there about 4PM on a Thursday, so I don't know. The table limits sign was turned off. Hopefully, as a field trial game, they had it low.

In other news, my page on Casino Monte is up at WoO. I welcome all comments.

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December 23rd, 2023 at 3:11:40 PM permalink
Thanks for checking it out. Any merits to playing with one or two partners so someone is always on the active color or in a position to raise if not?
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December 23rd, 2023 at 3:35:38 PM permalink
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Thanks for checking it out. Any merits to playing with one or two partners so someone is always on the active color or in a position to raise if not?
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Let's look at it from the standpoint of the two players who bet on the color that's not the first up card. Presumably, they make the same bets as each other.
If their cards differ, then either their bets push (one wins, and the other loses), or both bets lose.
True, if their cards are the same and not lower than the first card, then they both win, but unless the first card is also the same, then the first bets loses.
It seems to smack of "bet half on red, and the other on black."

Update:
I did some number crunching, and what I get is, the only difference from the Wizard's strategy is, you check if the up card is a 5 and not in your betting color. It is not going to have a noticeable effect overall.
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August 16th, 2024 at 8:04:55 PM permalink
Does anyone know if this is stil available at Luxor? Going again later this year and i enjoyes this game
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August 17th, 2024 at 4:48:54 AM permalink
Without having any info, my guess would be it's gone. Has very few qualities of a solid table game.


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October 2nd, 2024 at 9:49:16 AM permalink
Nice Information . I have learn many from this post thanks.
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Nice Information . I have learn many from this post thanks.
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You have been randomly selected for a soul test. What is the woman holding in the following image?

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October 2nd, 2024 at 1:58:20 PM permalink
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What is the woman holding in the following image?

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Seriously???
Is this like a new ‘establish the knowledge bar’ question for Waitress Trivia?
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October 2nd, 2024 at 2:55:42 PM permalink
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What is the woman holding in the following image?

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Seriously???
Is this like a new ‘establish the knowledge bar’ question for Waitress Trivia?
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No, it is not.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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October 2nd, 2024 at 6:13:39 PM permalink
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Seriously???
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"Seriously," it appears to be the Wizard's version of "I Am Not A Robot"...and something tells me that the selection was not particularly "random"
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What is the woman holding in the following image?

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Seriously???
Is this like a new ‘establish the knowledge bar’ question for Waitress Trivia?
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No, it is not.
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Burned.
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March 1st, 2025 at 9:24:42 PM permalink
This game is going to be added at Rio with a Penn & Teller theme. Looks like the rules and payouts for side bet are the same as the Luxor. Game reveal scheduled for Monday March 3rd at 3 PM
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This game is going to be added at Rio with a Penn & Teller theme. Looks like the rules and payouts for side bet are the same as the Luxor. Game reveal scheduled for Monday March 3rd at 3 PM
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No bonus involving the Three of Clubs?
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March 4th, 2025 at 11:30:21 PM permalink
John Mehaffey has video of the demo, for those who would rather watch than read:
https://youtu.be/ATAIwFSNMbY?si=snz-BP-otWAyMPSF&t=521
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March 7th, 2025 at 5:12:49 PM permalink
This game has now been analyzed in the Monkey Lab. We took a break from randomly typing out Shakespeare and randomly typed some code.

I concur with the Wizard's basic strategy of raising with Jack or higher when it is your card exposed, and raising with 5 or lower when it is not your card exposed. Extending that range to the 10 or 6 is +EV with certain shoe compositions, but that is not enough to make the game profitable.

It really plays like two different games, one when it is your card exposed and another when it is not. To illustrate what's necessary to beat it, assume you have bet 1 unit on each of the three cards.

Now let's say the dealer exposes a 2. Very good, you raise 3X on both of the other hands. And they're strong cards, one is an A and the other a K. But... you still lose. One of the raised hands wins, the other loses, and the deuce hand loses. So you have bet 9 units and received 8 in return. That will happen with all combinations of cards except pairs, and the only way to win is for there to be a pair. So a pair of Aces or a pair of 3's as the unrevealed cards will both be the same thing, big winners. If the dealer reveals a 3 and the other two cards are a 3 and a 2, you still win, your 9 units bet will return 10.

This demonstrates that what you are looking for is not high or low cards, but an increased probability of pairs. (Yeah I know, everybody's favorite, poker based sidebets, right?) So to attack it with AP, you must attack it like you would a pairs bet.

On the other side of the game, when your card is revealed and it is a Jack or higher, you raise and that is always +EV. But being your card will not be revealed to be a high, +EV card that often, it is not enough to make of for the -EV of the other side of the game, unless the high card is also paired. An example of this is the revealed card is not your card, but it is an Ace, so you don't raise, and your card is also an Ace so you get paid.

It would appear that what really counts in this game is predicting pairs, particularly pairs of rank 6 or higher, and the trips that show up for lagniappe. There are a few ways to do that. Some APs will surely try it but writing between the lines, I'm not rushing over there to play it.
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March 8th, 2025 at 8:59:53 AM permalink
Does anyone know who distributes Casino Monte?

I figure with their Penn & Teller tie-in, they might be interested in my somewhat magic themed Pick A Card game, particularly after I announce some revisions I’m working on.

FYI: It’s based on this scene:
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March 8th, 2025 at 6:26:14 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Does anyone know who distributes Casino Monte?

I figure with their Penn & Teller tie-in, they might be interested in my somewhat magic themed Pick A Card game, particularly after I announce some revisions I’m working on.

FYI: It’s based on this scene:

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Looks like Adventura Gaming, you should get Clark and Eddie on your Pick a Card game!

https://ktla.com/business/press-releases/ein-presswire/789135322/emerging-startup-adventura-gaming-to-launch-new-casino-table-game-penn-teller-casino-monte/
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March 8th, 2025 at 9:16:20 PM permalink
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Does anyone know who distributes Casino Monte?
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Looks like Adventura Gaming, you should get Clark and Eddie on your Pick a Card game!
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Thanks!

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