richodude
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July 29th, 2022 at 5:08:09 PM permalink
The Wizard of Odds calculates the normal game of ultimate texas holdem to have a house edge of about 2% but I live near a casino where they deal the hole cards face up. I'd imagine that game has to be beatable but I wouldn't know how to calculate it. Assuming 6 players playing, what would the odds be?
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July 29th, 2022 at 6:08:59 PM permalink
It wouldn't be beatable because they would change the payouts to account for the extra information.
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July 30th, 2022 at 9:58:20 AM permalink
According to Stephen Howe, if you use 'practical strategies' in a 6-player UTH game (with collusion, which essentially means face-up) you can reduce the House Edge from 2.2% to 1.6%. Use this link and scroll down to the discussion of collusion strategies:

collusion on ultimate texas hold'em

A bigger benefit is to your variance. You can avoid betting 4X on marginal preflop hands when your cards are copied multiple times in other player hands. This helps you to avoid the occasional big bet when you're actually at a disadvantage, reducing the frequency of large losses.
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July 30th, 2022 at 11:23:01 AM permalink
no, if at a disadvantage you bet zero

slightest advantage you bet max

I suppose you could bet 3x if the outlook is a guess
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July 30th, 2022 at 1:37:58 PM permalink
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A bigger benefit is to your variance. You can avoid betting 4X on marginal preflop hands when your cards are copied multiple times in other player hands. This helps you to avoid the occasional big bet when you're actually at a disadvantage, reducing the frequency of large losses.
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I mean here if you're at a disadvantage but would not have known it without seeing the other player cards.

Extreme example: If you have A-7, but see the other three aces in the face-up cards of your fellow players, then it is revealed that your A-7 is at a disadvantage (negative EV) and you should bet zero pre-flop rather than Bet 4X. This occasionally saves you from a highly likely 5 unit loss.
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