JAMES GROSJEAN secret codes
1)F00619910P
2)F00719658P
3)M06138215S
4)C00732323R
5)C00299422R
Does anyone know what it means? The last two codes may have time sensitivity.
Quote: ssho88Here are five secret codes found in JAMES GROSJEAN book: -
1)F00619910P
2)F00719658P
3)M06138215S
4)C00732323R
5)C00299422R
Does anyone know what it means? The last two codes may have time sensitivity.
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does it specifically say they are codes or are these derived from somewhere else
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whats odd is that from 2014 its still time sensitive
https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gambling-with-an-edge/magic-numbers-20141003/
Quote:In Exhibit CAA, I provided several “magic numbers,” creating curiosity (and anxiety!) among readers who do not understand their purpose or value. Like the storekeeper who says “If you have to ask, you can’t afford it,” I would say that if you have to ask what a magic number is, then it is of no importance to you. So this post will not provide any explanation. Rather, I have decided that I will use this forum to release additional magic numbers. Here are two that may have time sensitivity: C00732323R, C00299422R.
My first reaction was to try converting parts of each string into different radices (bases) -perhaps using the first and last character as indicator of base transformations.
You know, like converting 719658 from decimal to base 35 yields GRGN - which is close to but not quite an abbreviation for Grosjean.
But I have nothing to report.
Quote: WizardI heard it's a challenge to find something to Google and get exactly one hit. I just put in the first code, F00619910P, and got one hit -- this thread!
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you win grosjean informed me to give you a virtual hug which was the prize/goal the entire time and he said sorry for wasting your time
On someone's hint, my wild guess for third code is this :-
1) The first character is for the game name, "M" stand for Mississippi stud ?
2) The last chaeacter is for strategy, "S" stand for Sorting(Edge sorting) ?
3) Digits in between is the player edge, 06138215 stand for EV = +0.6138215 x 100 = +61.38215% ?
If you think that it is not appropriate to discuss it here, please PM me. LOL
Quote: DeMangoThese are the codes that have led mdawg to be almost invincible at Baccarat!
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Touche!
A common magic number pattern sometimes used for programming interviews is to test if the recursive sum of a number equals 1. If it does it's a "magic number".
Example:
C00299422R
299422 --> 2 + 9 + 9 +4 + 2 + 2 = 28
28 --> 2 + 8 = 10
10 --> 1 + 0 = 1
I can't find any commonality with the five codes with any pattern I've tried though. And that doesn't explain why there are letters at the beginning and end of each code.
This is the way to determine whether a number is divisible by 9. (As a short cut you can cross out numbers where you see they add up to 9 or a multiple of it, so in this case you only need to add 2+4+2+2 and realise it's 10, leading to 1. If you divide 299422 by 9 you get 33269 1/9.)Quote: DonutsHe specifically calls them "Magic Numbers" which usually refers to some value hard coded into a program (instead of as a variable) or some number that follows a pattern.
A common magic number pattern sometimes used for programming interviews is to test if the recursive sum of a number equals 1. If it does it's a "magic number".
Example:
C00299422R
299422 --> 2 + 9 + 9 +4 + 2 + 2 = 28
28 --> 2 + 8 = 10
10 --> 1 + 0 = 1
I can't find any commonality with the five codes with any pattern I've tried though. And that doesn't explain why there are letters at the beginning and end of each code.
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Looking at the tables in the back of my book where I summarize methods and edges, there is certainly something going on here.Quote: ssho88Thanks for all replies.
On someone's hint, my wild guess for third code is this :-
1) The first character is for the game name, "M" stand for Mississippi stud ?
2) The last character is for strategy, "S" stand for Sorting(Edge sorting) ?
3) Digits in between is the player edge, 06138215 stand for EV = +0.6138215 x 100 = +61.38215% ?
If you think that it is not appropriate to discuss it here, please PM me. LOL
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From Appendix D:
MS edge sorting -- An optimal 4-card sort (JQKA v. others) has a player edge of 61.382%.
If you have any guesses for the others (game & method), I'm glad to check against my numbers. I looked for games beginning with the letters "C" and "F" and couldn't find a match to any of the implied edges based on work I've done. I did not look through BC or CAA.
No idea what CR would be. Caribbean Stud? Casino War?
Wonder if it's some game that's come and gone - hence the "time sensitivity".
Quote: DonutsFP could be Four Card Poker but not sure how you'd get a 6 and 7% edge respectively. IIRC a double hole card situation is worth ~5%.
No idea what CR would be. Caribbean Stud? Casino War?
Wonder if it's some game that's come and gone - hence the "time sensitivity".
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Four Card Poker:
1 DHC = house edge of 0.4%
2 DHC = player edge of 4.8%
3 DHC = player edge of 15.8%
Yep, can't find any matches beyond MS.
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you mean to tell me none of you can personally ask this guy what the hell they mean?
Quote: teliotQuote: DonutsFP could be Four Card Poker but not sure how you'd get a 6 and 7% edge respectively. IIRC a double hole card situation is worth ~5%.
No idea what CR would be. Caribbean Stud? Casino War?
Wonder if it's some game that's come and gone - hence the "time sensitivity".
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Four Card Poker:
1 DHC = house edge of 0.4%
2 DHC = player edge of 4.8%
3 DHC = player edge of 15.8%
Yep, can't find any matches beyond MS.
How about Crisscross poker
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...if you have to ask, you can't afford it big man ;-).Quote: heatmap
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you mean to tell me none of you can personally ask this guy what the hell they mean?
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I think there are 4 people (at least in this thread) who should get a ban for hijacking. You, most especially, Dieter, please self-ban. For a mod to engage in such an activity shows total disrespect for the rules and the position the mod holds. Shameful.Quote: DieterQuote: DRichSadly, today $95k for a car doesn't sound astounding. I recently heard that the average pickup truck is now selling for close to $50k.
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I have to side with billryan on this.
Just went through a truck configuration tool, around $50k base price (for an 8' box; smaller doesn't feel like a "pickup truck" to me), and be prepared to add around $18k in options to get it up to a useful configuration.
More for heated seats and premium infotainment.
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Rule #7. No hijacking: Try to keep threads on topic. If you want to veer off on a tangent, please make a new thread for it.
This thread is about Grosjean's codes. I did a thorough search on those digits through my data files for one of the codes (beyond what I've published) and didn't find a match.
Hi Teliot,Quote: teliotI think there are 4 people (at least in this thread) who should get a ban for hijacking. You, most especially, Dieter, please self-ban. For a mod to engage in such an activity shows total disrespect for the rules and the position the mod holds. Shameful.
Rule #7. No hijacking: Try to keep threads on topic. If you want to veer off on a tangent, please make a new thread for it.
This thread is about Grosjean's codes. I did a thorough search on those digits through my data files for one of the codes (beyond what I've published) and didn't find a match.
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Dieter has reported himself to me. I see that he has also taken corrective action to split the thread.
I think the thread hijacking was careless and unintentional. I would not impose any penalty for this against anyone in any thread. especially as a first offence. I'm not imposing any penalty now.
However, Dieter has decided that he SHOULD pay a penalty, I strongly disagree, but I'll accept his self suspension for 3 days by way of moderators being held to a higher standard.
Suspended moderators do not show as red and he will not have ACTUAL restrictions. He will be honour bound not to casually post. If he takes any moderator actions, he will do so anonymously and will refer such actions to another mod by PM. He retains PM rights, unlike most suspended members.
Quote: ssho88Thanks for all replies.
On someone's hint, my wild guess for third code is this :-
1) The first character is for the game name, "M" stand for Mississippi stud ?
2) The last chaeacter is for strategy, "S" stand for Sorting(Edge sorting) ?
3) Digits in between is the player edge, 06138215 stand for EV = +0.6138215 x 100 = +61.38215% ?
If you think that it is not appropriate to discuss it here, please PM me. LOL
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Quote: ssho88Here are five secret codes found in JAMES GROSJEAN book: -
3)M06138215S
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3.Mississippi06138215Stud
im going to throw somethinig out there maybe they are locations in memory all i keep reading about him is that he loved to simulate stuff and program stuff
Quote: ssho88Here are five secret codes found in JAMES GROSJEAN book: -
1)F00619910P
2)F00719658P
3)M06138215S
4)C00732323R
5)C00299422R
Does anyone know what it means? The last two codes may have time sensitivity.
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Okay, using a massive "grep" function on all my data files, here are the files that have data with decimal digits matching those in the codes. To be clear, I found these codes in lots of places I didn't list (because they involved other digits occuring in the number before those listed, like 0.46138215). These sequences of digits are common when certain denominators are used in game combinatorial analysis. My conclusion is that this is pretty much hopeless without decoding F/P, M/S and C/R.
F00619910P, matching 0619910
Caribbean Stud, edge sorting
F00719658P, matching 0719658
Caribbean Stud, edge sorting
Mississippi Stud, card sharing (collusion)
Pai Gow Tiles, using Mike's optimal strategy
M06138215S, matching 6138215
Mississippi Stud, four card JQKA edge sorting
C00732323R, matching 0732323
Caribbean Stud, edge sorting
C00299422R, matching 0299422
Caribbean Stud, edge sorting
Four Card Poker, bad beat bonus
Quote: teliotQuote: ssho88Here are five secret codes found in JAMES GROSJEAN book: -
1)F00619910P
2)F00719658P
3)M06138215S
4)C00732323R
5)C00299422R
Does anyone know what it means? The last two codes may have time sensitivity.
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Okay, using a massive "grep" function on all my data files, here are the files that have data with decimal digits matching those in the codes:
F00619910P, matching 0619910
Caribbean Stud, edge sorting
F00719658P, matching 0719658
Caribbean Stud, edge sorting
Mississippi Stud, card sharing (collusion)
Pai Gow Tiles, using Mike's optimal strategy
M06138215S, matching 6138215
Mississippi Stud, four card JQKA edge sorting
C00732323R, matching 0732323
Caribbean Stud, edge sorting
C00299422R, matching 0299422
Caribbean Stud, edge sorting
Four Card Poker, bad beat bonus
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MAGNIFICENT
Thanks, I updated my post a bit, so my post doesn't match your quote. Apologies.Quote: gordonm888
MAGNIFICENT
CR = Casino Royale(NV) / Casino Real (CA)
MS = Mohegan Sun (CT) / Morongo Resort and Spa (CA)
FP = Fort Pierce Casino (FL)
Kind of a stretch
Could be, hence the "time sensitive" nature. Interesting, though, that so much edge sorting is indicated. That was the big kid in town around when CAA came out, right? Phil Ivey, Chung Sun on baccarat. I also know that 3CP, MS and CS were sorted by some teams. Curious.Quote: DonutsAre the letters locations then?
CR = Casino Royale(NV) / Casino Real (CA)
MS = Mohegan Sun (CT) / Morongo Resort and Spa (CA)
FP = Fort Pierce Casino (FL)
Kind of a stretch
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Quote: teliotOkay, using a massive "grep" function on all my data files, ...
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Wow! This is good stuff. What are the odds the matches are coincidental?
Quote: teliotCould be, hence the "time sensitive" nature. Interesting, though, that so much edge sorting is indicated. That was the big kid in town around when CAA came out, right? Phil Ivey, Chung Sun on baccarat. I also know that 3CP, MS and CS were sorted by some teams. Curious.Quote: DonutsAre the letters locations then?
CR = Casino Royale(NV) / Casino Real (CA)
MS = Mohegan Sun (CT) / Morongo Resort and Spa (CA)
FP = Fort Pierce Casino (FL)
Kind of a stretch
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I think the time sensitive refers to Caribbean stud disappearing from casino floors.
Still lots of CS overseas, at least when I was traveling internationally. But, yes, domestically CS pretty much disappeared (just a few tables left) by 2010. The edge sorting case I know about that took place for CS was at a casino in the Southern Hemisphere, but surely it was going on everywhere for a while.Quote: HunterhillQuote: teliotCould be, hence the "time sensitive" nature. Interesting, though, that so much edge sorting is indicated. That was the big kid in town around when CAA came out, right? Phil Ivey, Chung Sun on baccarat. I also know that 3CP, MS and CS were sorted by some teams. Curious.Quote: DonutsAre the letters locations then?
CR = Casino Royale(NV) / Casino Real (CA)
MS = Mohegan Sun (CT) / Morongo Resort and Spa (CA)
FP = Fort Pierce Casino (FL)
Kind of a stretch
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I think the time sensitive refers to Caribbean stud disappearing from casino floors.
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I think the odds are non-trivial that this is coincidental. These decimal digits show up because the cycle has a length such that some of the decimal expansions of fractions of the form x/cycle have these digits. Any game with the same cycle length will likely involve these digits.Quote: WizardQuote: teliotOkay, using a massive "grep" function on all my data files, ...
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Wow! This is good stuff. What are the odds the matches are coincidental?
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Then again, the fact that edge sorting comes up repeatedly at a time just before the news about Phil Ivey broke, and it is for novelty games that can be edge sorted, does strongly implicate those games and that method. The circumstantial evidence is strong.
Quote: SandybestdogJust a thought but how are encoded house edges/players edges in between game names “magic numbers”. So I know such and such game has a +0.6138215 edge. Ok great so do I just walk into the casino now and they give me money?
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Just bring a dozen or so of your bestest boys and a few long guns.
Quote: teliotBased on what was discussed before, I'm guessing the point was that the number told the game (via its edge or some other known mathematical result about the game) and the letters told the casino. So they were codes to "Go to this casino and do this method," a way of passing information to people without the masses knowing what was being said.
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I like that theory.
Quote: SandybestdogPerhaps. But knowing the game, the edge and casino is like 10% of the work. Not trying to discount it or anything. I just don’t see how that’s magic.
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When a magician gets you looking here, it's because he doesn't want you looking there.
Quote: SandybestdogPerhaps. But knowing the game, the edge and casino is like 10% of the work. Not trying to discount it or anything. I just don’t see how that’s magic.
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That’s like 90% of the work. Scouting is where most APs spend there time these days
Knowing the game, the casino and edge isn’t scouting, that’s sitting in front of a computer saying such and such game is beatable. Doesn’t mean shit in the real world. If game, casino and edge is what you’re after I have endless plays I could sell you. I’m at a casino right now. 50%, 12% and 8% hole card games. Cards are sortable and the exit door is 100 feet from tables, if you know what I mean.Quote: DonutsQuote: SandybestdogPerhaps. But knowing the game, the edge and casino is like 10% of the work. Not trying to discount it or anything. I just don’t see how that’s magic.
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That’s like 90% of the work. Scouting is where most APs spend there time these days
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Pounding the pavement is all that matters. Try, fail, try again, keep trying and failing and eventually you might figure something out. That’s mostly what I’ve learned.
