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Mission146
July 12th, 2021 at 3:46:47 PM permalink
Not so fast my friend. Awhile back I doubled down on 11vs10 for a 20 with a max bet out. Something was wrong with the light that checks for an Ace in the hole with a 10 up. Turns out dealer has Ace so she started to take both my bets.

I tried to explain there wouldnt have been a double down decision to make had the red light been working. Therefore, she couldnt take both my bets. Only 1. Anyway, we called the pit boss over and I won my case.

But if I were to intervene for another player? Id certainly be labeled as a horses behind (who slowed the game)and it's unlikely that player would know enough to appreciate the good deed done for them.

Plus why is a counter adding up other players hands? Run in your own lane.
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July 12th, 2021 at 4:31:49 PM permalink
I don't hawk the table looking for mistakes but if I notice a dealer mistake at another player's expense I will usually point it out. Unless I really like a dealer, I rarely point out a dealer overpayment to me and never to another player. Assuming the said player isn't smoking a cigar, has bathed in recent memory, and isn't being a dick.
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July 12th, 2021 at 4:55:26 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

On the flip side of silence is the need to open your mouth sometimes. This player I've been letting play at my reserved table (or had been letting, I cut the player off from my table because I got tired of the player's loss chasing bets) had placed 20K on Player, and I had a few thousand on the Player too. Player started with a 4, Bank 6. Player drew a 7, which cut Player down to 1.

For all intensive purposes the wager is lost, and the dealer started grabbing for our chips to place them back into the tray when I had to remind her - Wait! but there's a draw.

She actually drew a two sided card, a 4, and cut the Bank to 0 and we won. Almost never happens that way, but that day, it did.

In that instance, there is no way the pit boss would have allowed the mistake, but if I hadn't said anything it would have been a bit of a mess with all our chips back in the tray and camera recall required to restore the bets before the mandatory sixth card was drawn.

In Baccarat that Bank draws against 6, when player draws a 6 or 7 is an oft forgotten rule.



Yes you are correct and that situation receives phone calls in our camera surveillance room very often. There are certain dealers that are very quick to swipe the chips off the table layout and usually a player will say, "hey wait a minute" and call the pit boss over pointing out the fact the Bankers had a 6 and the Players 3rd card was a 6 or 7. Then everything has to be set back up.

Of course if everyone is on the Players side when the mistake(s) happen and everyone gets paid, no one usually says anything.

I will point out, on rare occasion it is caught by us, then we call the pit boss and a decision is made whether to recall the losing bets, which a casino can do (and piss players off) or not. I have seen it done. But usually the decision is made NOT to recall the original wagers.

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July 12th, 2021 at 5:02:09 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I don't hawk the table looking for mistakes but if I notice a dealer mistake at another player's expense I will usually point it out. Unless I really like a dealer, I rarely point out a dealer overpayment to me and never to another player. Assuming the said player isn't smoking a cigar, has bathed in recent memory, and isn't being a dick.



I was the only player at a Spanish 21 table until a loud guy jumped in for one hand with a $500 bet. The dealer got an ace up, and he got blackjack and screamed "even money, even money!" She gave it to him.
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July 12th, 2021 at 5:09:55 PM permalink
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I was the only player at a Spanish 21 table until a loud guy jumped in for one hand with a $500 bet. The dealer got an ace up, and he got blackjack and screamed "even money, even money!" She gave it to him.

😅 Great story. 👍
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July 12th, 2021 at 5:43:32 PM permalink
I think it is dishonest to accept an overpay. It is on the player if he plays badly and he needs to police his own hand to ensure he isn't underpaid.

However, I won't correct an overpayment to another player. Will I correct an underpayment to another player? I probably would, unless I thought the player was a jerk.

If there is one thing I care more about than good gambling, it's honest gambling.
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July 12th, 2021 at 5:49:58 PM permalink
Just the other night I had a green chip on Come, shooter rolled a 3, and the dealer paid me instead of taking my chip. Iím guessing the dealer thought I was betting the field
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July 12th, 2021 at 6:07:07 PM permalink
I'm with Wiz on this one.

If I give the McDonald's cashier a $10 bill to pay for my meal, and she gives me back change for a $20, I will point out her mistake and give her the $10 back. Not only is it the honest thing to do, but I wouldn't want the cashier to be in trouble when her tray is short $10 at the end of the day, just for making a good faith mistake.

I view casinos the same way regarding overpays. If the dealer makes a mistake in my favor, I'll usually point it out. It's not only the honest thing to do, it will probably save the dealer some grief down the road.

My question for those who keep their silence when they are overpaid, would you do the same at McDonalds? At the local Mom & Pop coffee shop? At a diner owned by a close friend?

My question for Wizard is: Let's say you are playing BJ and the dealer draws to 21, but mistakes it for 22. Thinking she has busted, she pays everyone at the table. Would you still speak up knowing that it would affect everyone else at the table?
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July 12th, 2021 at 6:08:32 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think it is dishonest to accept an overpay. It is on the player if he plays badly and he needs to police his own hand to ensure he isn't underpaid.

However, I won't correct an overpayment to another player. Will I correct an underpayment to another player? I probably would, unless I thought the player was a jerk.

If there is one thing I care more about than good gambling, it's honest gambling.



Under the same standard, isnít it on the casino if the dealer, ďPlays badly,Ē or deals badly?

I look at the casino situation as different than someone performing an equivalent act in a home/social game.
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July 12th, 2021 at 6:26:11 PM permalink
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I'm with Wiz on this one.

If I give the McDonald's cashier a $10 bill to pay for my meal, and she gives me back change for a $20, I will point out her mistake and give her the $10 back. Not only is it the honest thing to do, but I wouldn't want the cashier to be in trouble when her tray is short $10 at the end of the day, just for making a good faith mistake.

I view casinos the same way regarding overpays. If the dealer makes a mistake in my favor, I'll usually point it out. It's not only the honest thing to do, it will probably save the dealer some grief down the road.

My question for those who keep their silence when they are overpaid, would you do the same at McDonalds? At the local Mom & Pop coffee shop? At a diner owned by a close friend?

My question for Wizard is: Let's say you are playing BJ and the dealer draws to 21, but mistakes it for 22. Thinking she has busted, she pays everyone at the table. Would you still speak up knowing that it would affect everyone else at the table?



Thatís true, but I look at the cashier thing as being a little bit different. For one thing, a drawer error will almost always be caught when counting down the till, so the cashierís mistake has a much lower probability of going unnoticed by the employer. Secondly, at least in theory, the cashier isnít offering a product with a variable value depending on the person, ďCustomering optimally,Ē which is to say you canít make a mistake ordering a large #2 combo that would cause you to pay more than menu price.

Iíll allow that Iím perhaps taking an overly adversarial view on the casino/player relationship. On the other hand, the casinos have every advantage working for them and I just have my eyes, my mental math and my vigilance. Many players donít have as much in those regards as I do, so probably have suffered mispays that have worked against them.
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