Defense of Silence
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Quote: DieterProtecting your hand from inadvertent exposure in the course of a card game is a fundamental concept. Like "According to Hoyle" basic. Sorry, my library isn't handy at the moment, or I'd track it down and quote it.
If a trained, licensed professional gambler, supervised by other trained, licensed professional gamblers, and employed by a consortium of professional gamblers to play the game is flashing, I believe it's either intentional, or their responsibility to notice and correct it.
I am their opponent in a card game.
It is not my responsibility to help them win.
If that seems overly harsh, let's not forget that it's their house, their game rules, their cards, they initially arbitrate any disputes, and some places have been known not to pay up if you manage to beat them at their own game.
What dealer mistakes is it ethical to exploit?
Any and all.
If you don't care to see the card, you can always look away or find another table.
Egg Xactly
When dealers point out my mistakes, I will reciprocate.
Quote: The Compleat Gamester, Hoyle
He that can by craft overlook his adversary's game hath a great advantage, for by that means he may partly know what to play securely; or if he can have some petty glimpse of his partner's hand.
By implication, if your adversary can see your cards, he has a great advantage over you. Conceal your cards, don't let them share their hands with each other.
This is Hoyle talking about Whist.
This is not new; this text is dated 1725 - almost 300 years ago.
Hoyle goes on to discuss a series of hand signals partners may use to discreetly share hand information at the table, in case anyone thinks team play is a relatively new innovation.
A few sections earlier Hoyle was talking about remembering what has been played so that you can play your next few hands more effectively. I believe the modern term for this is "card counting".
edit: I erroneously attributed The Compleat Gamester to Hoyle instead of Cotton.
I will not help a player who is a jerk. Occasionally I come across a player who gets mad that I stopped the dealer from taking their money when they actually won or when I point out they were underpaid. I don't understand what they're thinking but now they're on their own. As you'd expect, the vast majority are thankful.
If I were to see a dealer inadvertently flashing a hole card I would sit down at that table.
Quote: ThisIsMyJamI agree that it is the dealer's responsibility to know the game and payout correctly. I don't correct their mistakes in the player's favor but always correct if it hurts the player. I've saved myself and others way too many underpayments on a game like UTH to feel bad about overpayment. In my experience underpayment seems to happen more often.
I will not help a player who is a jerk. Occasionally I come across a player who gets mad that I stopped the dealer from taking their money when they actually won or when I point out they were underpaid. I don't understand what they're thinking but now they're on their own. As you'd expect, the vast majority are thankful.
If I were to see a dealer inadvertently flashing a hole card I would sit down at that table.
Excellent post. You just never know what people are thinking in a casino.
One time I was sitting at a blackjack machine playing a nickel a hand. The guy next to me was playing a dollar a hand. He was losing and felt the need to give me crap about my meager wagers. My purpose in sitting there was to watch a $50 table and pounce the minute it was empty. But I saw no reason to tell him that.
He made a nasty remark as he left. My table in waiting had two more players sit down.
Um. We "met" again.
I'm busy at the table - even if I'm just relaxing and socializing. If I think a dealer has made a mistake in my favor, I am NOT going to doublecheck and recheck my analysis -that's a waste of my neural synapses, of my energy and brainpower. I'm just going to relax and assume that he's a professional and I'm the fish and that he must have been correct.
However, when I suspect he has made an error that unfairly takes money from me or a fellow player, then I do choose to fire my neural synapses and doublecheck my analysis and then speak out, as necessary.
The analogy of a cashier McDonald's is a good one. The difference is that when I play table games, I need the dealer to be an expert in dealing for me to be able to enjoy and benefit from the game. When I get an egg sandwich and coffee from McDonald's, I do not need the cashier to be an expert money counter for me to enjoy and benefit from their breakfast. That is why I will correct the cashier, but not the dealer.
This thread (a good one btw) made me think of this "motivational poster":
Quote: KeeneoneKnowingly or unknowingly, mistakes happen all the time. Why feel guilty when they work in your favor?
This thread (a good one btw) made me think of this "motivational poster":
Thanks for the compliment on the thread idea!
I think I know how to fix the image, but no promises.
ADDED: I do not know how to fix the image.
Quote: Mission146
Thanks for the compliment on the thread idea!
I think I know how to fix the image, but no promises.
ADDED: I do not know how to fix the image.
No problemo, you are welcome. :)
Image looks good to me (on desktop/chrome and iphone), what is wrong with the image you see?
Quote: KeeneoneNo problemo, you are welcome. :)
Image looks good to me (on desktop/chrome and iphone), what is wrong with the image you see?
It’s a small empty box. iPhone
Quote: Mission146It’s a small empty box. iPhone
Strange, I wonder what is going on? Here is a link to the photo:
https://despair.com/products/integrity
Quote: KeeneoneStrange, I wonder what is going on? Here is a link to the photo:
https://despair.com/products/integrity
Weird text only. I’ll check it out next time I’m on the computer. Must be something in my settings.
Or Safari.
Quote: Mission146Weird text only. I’ll check it out next time I’m on the computer. Must be something in my settings.
Or Safari.
Works fine on my iphone
Quote: MDawgI've gone over it in my mind, and I am pretty sure the dealer forgot to charge me the $1000. commission on that Bank $20,000. bet. It was the last hand I played that day, and I had a paltry $75. commission in the tray before it, and then after winning that hand I paid off the $75. commission in cash, and that was it.
I think the dealer just got so excited when I won that hand that forgot to toss the commission lammers into the tray. And I had been tipping the dealer somewhat consistently that session with side bets.
And I didn't even leave the table immediately. I hung around and chewed the fat with the dealer and pit boss and even pointed out the exact hand I had bet that much on later, on the video screen, when I allowed them to convert the table to public (more precisely, I allowed this one player to keep playing at my table for that session only) and let someone I was acquainted with continue to play my shoe, which actually, was a good shoe the player I allowed to step in kept winning. And while I was still hanging out at my table, I pointed to the exact Bank hand I had won, even asked for confirmation,"That was a Bank hand I bet, right?" and the pit boss confirmed, "Yes, Bank" and asked why I had bet so much on that hand. Of course I knew, but, how could I tell the pit boss?
I haven't been back to that casino since that day's play but I'm sure it is water under the bridge by now. If they were going to say something they would have in the half hour I hung around after winning.
That's +1000 E.V. on that one hand even notwithstanding my usual advantage.
