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June 29th, 2021 at 2:42:35 AM permalink
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June 29th, 2021 at 4:51:33 AM permalink
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Table Limits Mostly Lower on Las Vegas Strip | Vegas Advantage
June 10, 2021 - John Mehaffey
https://vegasadvantage.com/table-limits-mostly-lower-on-las-vegas-strip/



What in the hell!? Is 000 Roulette the norm already? I mean, I knew it was inevitable, but that seems really fast.
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June 29th, 2021 at 4:59:25 AM permalink
The casinos are trying to kill the games and the customers.
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June 29th, 2021 at 5:07:17 AM permalink
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What in the hell!? Is 000 Roulette the norm already? I mean, I knew it was inevitable, but that seems really fast.

Fast? Frankly, I'm surprised it isn't spreading even faster.

After all, normally when a new game appears, there are all kinds of new expenses including paying royalties, dealer training and loss due to dealer errors while they get used to the new game. And that's on top of the uncertainty if the math is correct or if players will understand the game. Even variants of existing games have most of these obstacles.

None of these apply to triple zero - with the possible exception of players understanding how terrible it is.

The only expense here is a new wheel and felt. OK, wheels ARE expensive, but that huge edge pays it off fast.

On a side note, even TCS John Huxley, the premier manufacturer of roulette wheels (and other equipment), calls it Triple Zero, and uses a logo rather than 000. This image taken from https://www.tcsjohnhuxley.com/product-category/roulette-wheels

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June 29th, 2021 at 5:08:18 AM permalink
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The casinos are trying to kill the games and the customers.



Online casinos are quickly becoming the only places where one can get a decent game.
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June 29th, 2021 at 5:16:00 AM permalink
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Fast? Frankly, I'm surprised it isn't spreading even faster.

After all, normally when a new game appears, there are all kinds of new expenses including paying royalties, dealer training and loss due to dealer errors while they get used to the new game. And that's on top of the uncertainty if the math is correct or if players will understand the game. Even variants of existing games have most of these obstacles.

None of these apply to triple zero - with the possible exception of players understanding how terrible it is.

The only expense here is a new wheel and felt. OK, wheels ARE expensive, but that huge edge pays it off fast.

On a side note, even TCS John Huxley, the premier manufacturer of roulette wheels (and other equipment), calls it Triple Zero, and uses a logo rather than 000. This image taken from the http://www.tcsjohnhuxley.com home page:



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In my opinion, it seems to have spread faster than 6:5 Blackjack did and it seems that 000 is the, "Low Limit," standard on the Las Vegas Strip from that survey. That is, of course, if you consider $10 and $15 to be, "Low limit," which I certainly don't---particularly not for Roulette.

I don't even know what to say on players not understanding the math. I would hope that one wouldn't need an understanding of the math to realize that 50% more ways to lose (most bets) can't possibly be good.

I wonder what's next? Even money Blackjack, perhaps? Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em where the Ante doesn't get paid out? Three-Card Poker where the player needs King high (or better) to even qualify? Jacks or Better for Mississippi Stud and Let it Ride?

Maybe I should drop the sarcasm before a casino executive reading this thinks: You know what? That's brilliant!
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June 29th, 2021 at 5:17:08 AM permalink
Glad to see $10 craps back on the strip at some places. On my most recent trip I didn稚 see it anywhere, including early morning.
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June 29th, 2021 at 5:21:21 AM permalink
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Glad to see $10 craps back on the strip at some places. On my most recent trip I didn稚 see it anywhere, including early morning.



From the OP's source:

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Treasure Island is still the great value that it always was. All table games were $15. This included craps, 00 roulette, Face Up Pai Gow Poker, 3:2 six-deck blackjack with surrender and re-split aces, and 3:2 double deck with double down after splitting. The 3:2 stadium blackjack is still $1 during the week and $3 on weekends.



Reading that gave me pause and I thought, "Okay, the games aren't terrible, but he's surely not calling $15 a great value." I just gave Treasure Island a call a few minutes ago and got transferred to the pit: Sure enough, Craps will open at 11:00a.m. with a $15 minimum. They are indeed calling $15 minimums a, "Great value."

How far Vegas has fallen. Do they even care about gambling anymore?

"Come to Las Vegas and enjoy higher table minimums, fewer comps and worse rules than your local and regional casinos!"

If you don't drink, which I don't anymore, I can't think of any possible reason to even want to visit Vegas.
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June 29th, 2021 at 5:22:48 AM permalink
Watching James Caan in this 1974 movie The Gambler. He lost a bunch of $2K-$3K max bets and now owes $44K. "That's 8 El Dorados!". So I do a CPI check on $44K, and it'd be just over $250K now.
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June 29th, 2021 at 6:41:28 AM permalink
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Maybe I should drop the sarcasm before a casino executive reading this thinks: You know what? That's brilliant!

I was about to tell you to shut the F up, but you figured it out. 😜

But the reality is, as much as we tend to deride casino management, they池e not idiots. They値l think of that crap on their own soon enough. Or maybe they値l come to the conclusion that while those those palaces in the desert weren稚 built on winners, you need some winners to attract the losers.

Triple zero is just an example of the old saying: Let痴 throw some shit on the walls and see if it sticks. 😵‍💫
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