Vonnyp2
Vonnyp2
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March 31st, 2021 at 12:48:28 AM permalink
So, in AZ (pay table is 1,3,6,30,40), they are now not letting players touch the cards because of covid. So, they expose each hand in turn, the player makes a decision to play or not, then on to the next player. They only allow 4 hands to be played. I've found if I play 3rd base, then I will have seen TWELVE cards before deciding if I wanna play or not. I'm betting huge numbers on the ante and everyone is surprised when I make "hero" calls. BUT, if I've already seen 2 Kings 2 aces, and a queen ... Then I don't care what I have. I'll play regardless, because the probability of the dealer qualifying plummets. I've been refining my numbers, but I would LOVE some math on what edge this gives me and ideal play strategy. TIA.
Vonnyp2
Vonnyp2
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March 31st, 2021 at 12:50:15 AM permalink
It's also saving me. If I haven't seen a single dealer qualifying card, and I just have a wimpy queen, I probably won't play.
DRich
DRich
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March 31st, 2021 at 6:47:07 AM permalink
Yes, having 12 extra cards of knowledge is fantastic. I don't know if it will cover the house edge, but it will definitely lower the house edge.
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sabre
sabre
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March 31st, 2021 at 7:10:49 AM permalink
Computer perfect strategy changes using the additional 9 cards of info will reduce the house edge from 3.37% to 3.03% according to Grosjean. If you can find a 12 handed table dealt faceup then you can start generating a player edge.
Vonnyp2
Vonnyp2
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April 6th, 2021 at 8:51:47 PM permalink
For clarification - the best situation (based off casino traffic) is for there to be three players in front of me giving me twelve cards of information, not twelve hands.
sabre
sabre
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April 6th, 2021 at 8:53:09 PM permalink
Quote: Vonnyp2

For clarification - the best situation (based off casino traffic) is for there to be three players in front of me giving me twelve cards of information, not twelve hands.



Yeah, I can count on zero hands the number of twelve handed 3CP tables I've seen in my life.
WTflush
WTflush
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April 7th, 2021 at 3:24:57 AM permalink
It's still a losing game, and it's going away quickly. Many casinos are back to dealing the cards face down now, and going back to 4/5/6 seats per table.

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