Gialmere
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November 18th, 2019 at 10:53:43 PM permalink


Vega$ 3 Poker has begun a field trial at Harrah's. It's basically Three Card Poker with a dash of Four Card and Hold'em.

Play free demo at AGS.
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
SM777
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November 19th, 2019 at 6:22:42 AM permalink
Really nice to see the no forced secondary bet like UTH. This looks good.
charliepatrick
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November 19th, 2019 at 4:22:38 PM permalink
I've only had a quick look at this so haven't checked my figures at all (I suspect the player should fold more often than I've got, especially with a hand such as 8 5 2 offsuit). I get a House Edge approaching 5% and the Dealer not qualifying over 38% (although it's nice you get paid on the raise part which might be 2x). Also changing it so the dealer qualifies with any Ace-x-x only puts the House Edge down a little bit, so I'm wondering why they didn't do that. The only reason I can see is that with AQx you rarely fold, so it doesn't cost too much to play everything. btw making it Kxx turns it to the player's advantage.

My guestimate on x2 strategy seems a reasonable approach (for Axx qualifying you play some lower pairs):
(i) Any pat hand (Trips, Stright, Flush)
(ii) Any pair of Aces or Kings
(iii) Any pair Queens or Jacks with either straight flush, straight or flush draw
(iv) Pair of 10s or 9s with Straight Flush draw (except fold 997).
(v) Also x2 with TTA, TTK, 889 with (Straight) Flush draw.

I'm busy tomorrow but will have a closer look sometime at my folding logic once you know the community card.
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November 19th, 2019 at 8:04:50 PM permalink
Can anyone explain how a “must hit by” works on a card game? Is it a random chance for anyone in the progressive or is it based on a hand
Gialmere
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November 19th, 2019 at 10:17:22 PM permalink
Quote: GBAM

Can anyone explain how a “must hit by” works on a card game? Is it a random chance for anyone in the progressive or is it based on a hand


As you surmise, it's random chance for any player on the STAX system. So you'll have the progressives associated with the game you're playing and simultaneously be entered in a mini lottery.

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November 19th, 2019 at 11:21:43 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere



Vega$ 3 Poker has begun a field trial at Harrah's. It's basically Three Card Poker with a dash of Four Card and Hold'em.

Play free demo at AGS.


You would think AGS would goose the demo to generate interest, but I lost 8 hands in a row, then quit.
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November 20th, 2019 at 1:06:04 PM permalink
Okay for the fold decision I have only analyzed the cases where the common card is an Ace.

If the common card is an Ace, FOLD an AQ9 or lower.

Exception: When the common card is an Ace, an AQ9-2 or AQ9-3 should be BET 1X if one of your 3 initial cards is the same suit as the common card.


The reason for the exception is that a 2 or 3 in your hand partially blocks the dealer making a straight with the common card Ace, and a card in your hand that is the same suit as the common card Ace partially blocks the dealer making a flush with the common card Ace. The combination of these two effects just barely increases the EV enough so that it is favorable to BET1X rather than fold.

Examples:

1. Player: Qh-9s-2c Common card = As EV of BET 1X =-0.985487974
but changing the 2 to a 4:
2. Player: Qh-9s-4c Common card = As EV of BET 1X =-1.004625347

and, changing the suit of the 9 in Case #1:
3. Player: Qh-9d-2c Common card = As EV of BET 1X =-1.015148011
Last edited by: gordonm888 on Nov 20, 2019
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Thanks for this post from:
Gialmerecharliepatrick
November 20th, 2019 at 2:27:57 PM permalink
I just did this quickly, so there may (as always) be errors.

If the common card is a 2, FOLD a K87 or lower.

Exception: With a K87, BET 1X if one of your three original cards(K,8,or 7) is the same suit as the common card 2.


There could be other exceptions, I have not analyzed every possible hand.

Obviously, the threshold for the BET 1X/FOLD decision is quite dependent upon the rank of the common card.
Last edited by: gordonm888 on Nov 20, 2019
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Gialmere
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November 20th, 2019 at 4:16:35 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Obviously, the threshold for the BET 1X/FOLD decision is quite dependent upon the rank of the common card.


It'll be interesting to see what the threshold is to make the X2 play bet.
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November 21st, 2019 at 8:22:09 AM permalink
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Vega$ 3 Poker has begun a field trial at Harrah's. It's basically Three Card Poker with a dash of Four Card and Hold'em.


Hi Gialmere,

Below is my Three Card Poker, (Casino Hold'em® 2+1® Three-Cards out of Four-Cards Hold'em) ©2010, ​Patented.
Math by Cynthial Liu, House-Edge 3.17%.

Casino Hold'em® 2+1® 賭場德州撲克二加一™ (Casino Hold'em® FAMILY)
THE FIRST 3-Cards out of 4-Cards Casino Holdem® Invented by Stephen Au-Yeung in 2010.
P.S. It has been exposed on my website for many years.

RULES:

1. Each Player makes an Ante-bet, and an Optional Side-bet (AK Bonus).

2. Two cards are dealt Face-down to each Player and the Dealer, and One community-card are dealt Face-up.

3. Each Player examines his cards and must either Fold or Stay in the game by making a Call-bet, which is double his Ante-bet.

4. One more community-card is dealt, and the Dealer exposes his two cards.

5. Players and Dealer will make Their best 3-card Poker-hand by using (Their TWO Hole-cards plus ONE of the Community-cards) or (The TWO Community-cards Plus ONE of Their Hole-cards).

6. Dealer compares his 3-Card Poker-hand with each Player’s 3-Card Poker-hand.

The Dealer Qualify with Ace High or better.

​If the Dealer does not Qualify:
The Ante-bet will pay according to the AnteWin® Pay-table and the Call-bet will push.

If the Dealer Qualifies:
(a) Player beats the Dealer then his Ante-bet will win according to the AnteWin® Pay-table and his Call-bet will win 1-to-1.
(b) Dealer beats the Player then the Player will lose his Ante and Call-bets.
(c) Dealer and Player tie then the Ante and Call-bets will push.




Last edited by: MrCasinoGames on Nov 21, 2019
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