Gialmere
Gialmere
Joined: Nov 26, 2018
  • Threads: 32
  • Posts: 882
Thanks for this post from:
MrCasinoGames
August 8th, 2019 at 5:34:38 PM permalink


A new game called "Twisted 21" has just started a field trial at the Rio. It's from a small company called 21 Stud Gaming but there are no rules listed on their website. They also have a game called "Twisted 21 Stud" from several years ago but again, their website offers no particulars.

Anyways, if one of you Vegas locals happens to be near the Rio, could you pick up a rack card of "Twisted 21" and maybe get a picture of the layout? It would be appreciated.
Last edited by: Gialmere on Aug 8, 2019
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
Switch
Switch
Joined: Apr 29, 2010
  • Threads: 12
  • Posts: 934
August 8th, 2019 at 7:04:48 PM permalink
From what I see in the video, '21 Stud' could be renamed '2-card War'.
Gialmere
Gialmere
Joined: Nov 26, 2018
  • Threads: 32
  • Posts: 882
August 8th, 2019 at 8:09:28 PM permalink
Quote: Switch

From what I see in the video, '21 Stud' could be renamed '2-card War'.


Yeah, there seems to be a mini trend of designers trying to create more passive version of blackjack. Note the Wizard's recent thread on the "21 Bet" (which could be called blackarat).
Last edited by: Gialmere on Aug 9, 2019
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
  • Threads: 1248
  • Posts: 20591
Thanks for this post from:
Gialmere
August 8th, 2019 at 9:00:11 PM permalink
I just played it earlier this evening. I'll at least write up the rules tomorrow morning. Meanwhile, briefly, it's blackjack, but both player and dealer are limited to a five-card hand. Blackjack pays 6-5. Player not allowed to split. I don't see that they give the player anything in exchange for taking away splitting. There is a side bet, but I will have to analyze it comment on the value.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
  • Threads: 1248
  • Posts: 20591
August 8th, 2019 at 9:05:42 PM permalink
I just watched the video and that is to a different game.

As an admin, I would like permission to remove the video, to avoid confusing people.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
Gialmere
Gialmere
Joined: Nov 26, 2018
  • Threads: 32
  • Posts: 882
August 8th, 2019 at 9:15:41 PM permalink
Done. Looking forward to your comments.
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
  • Threads: 1248
  • Posts: 20591
Thanks for this post from:
MrCasinoGames
August 9th, 2019 at 4:52:05 AM permalink
Here are the rules at least, as I understand them. Note the two rules I'm unsure about.

Twisted 21

Here is some initial analysis. Not counting the Twisted Stud Bonus, the house edge on the Stud Bonus side bet is 8.90%.

I get the probability of a Twisted Stud Bonus at 0.009105181, if aces are always counted as one. Given a Twisted Stud pays 20 to 1, that would push the return way over 100%. So, I'm thinking maybe aces count as 11 for purposes of a Twisted Stud, unless it would cause the hand to go over 21 points, as in blackjack.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
  • Threads: 1248
  • Posts: 20591
August 9th, 2019 at 4:59:55 AM permalink
If aces count as 11, as long as not causing the total to go over 21, I get the probability of Twisted Stud to be 0.008428. Either way it would seem to indicate a player advantage. Hmmmm.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
DogHand
DogHand
Joined: Sep 24, 2011
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 269
Thanks for this post from:
gordonm888
August 9th, 2019 at 6:01:45 AM permalink
Wiz,

The payouts on your Twisted 21 page are incorrect: 500:1 for Jacks or Better?

Dog Hand
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
  • Threads: 1248
  • Posts: 20591
August 9th, 2019 at 7:45:38 AM permalink
Quote: DogHand

The payouts on your Twisted 21 page are incorrect: 500:1 for Jacks or Better?



Oops. Just fixed it.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.

  • Jump to: