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MrCasinoGames
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February 9th, 2019 at 6:28:09 PM permalink
Quote: ksdjdj

I agree with Sieg that this will be a bit of "a headache for the dealer" at least for when they are new to dealing this game, but I don't think the game will slow-down enough for the casino to "not like the pace of it" (see below).

I think the house edge is about 1.94%***, so the game needs to be 3 to 5 x slower than a regular BJ^^^ game before the casino will "not like the pace of it".

***: according to a post somewhere else on this forum, sorry I can't remember the link.

^^^: compared to BJ games with about 0.65% to 0.39% house edge.

Also, once people are used to playing "Top-Up BJ", I think it will take less than 2 times as long to play a hand ,compared to regular BJ (this is just a guess, as I haven't tried playing it yet).

Most of this is just a personal opinion, so I will be happy to be corrected (if I am wrong in any of the statements above).

Edit( about 420 pm):
I don't know if the average player prefers a faster paced or slower paced game, but I personally don't care about the pace of the game, as long as the other players are not being "annoyingly slow or bad"^*^ with their decision making.

^*^: I have been at a table where I had to leave, because one player was taking about 30 seconds (on average) to decide what to do with "easy" hands and then after all that time they would make a "wrong" decision.
For example, one player took 30(or so) seconds to decide what to do with a hard 12 against a dealer 7, in the end they decided to double down (this was in a game similar to Spanish 21).


Thanks ksdjdj for your input.

You are spot-on regarding the House-edge.

House edge by Stephen How Consulting: DOUBLE ON ANY NUMBER OF CARDS (any Soft/Hard 9, 10 or 11 Only) H17.
6-Decks 1.9417%.

For those that are interested, I will update the strategy here some time next week.
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February 9th, 2019 at 7:21:18 PM permalink
Quote: ksdjdj

I agree with Sieg that this will be a bit of "a headache for the dealer" at least for when they are new to dealing this game, but I don't think the game will slow-down enough for the casino to "not like the pace of it" (see below).

I think the house edge is about 1.94%***, so the game needs to be 3 to 5 x slower than a regular BJ^^^ game before the casino will "not like the pace of it".

***: according to a post somewhere else on this forum, sorry I can't remember the link.

^^^: compared to BJ games with about 0.65% to 0.39% house edge.

Also, once people are used to playing "Top-Up BJ", I think it will take less than 2 times as long to play a hand ,compared to regular BJ (this is just a guess, as I haven't tried playing it yet).

Most of this is just a personal opinion, so I will be happy to be corrected (if I am wrong in any of the statements above).

Edit( about 420 pm):
I don't know if the average player prefers a faster paced or slower paced game, but I personally don't care about the pace of the game, as long as the other players are not being "annoyingly slow or bad"^*^ with their decision making.

^*^: I have been at a table where I had to leave, because one player was taking about 30 seconds (on average) to decide what to do with "easy" hands and then after all that time they would make a "wrong" decision.
For example, one player took 30(or so) seconds to decide what to do with a hard 12 against a dealer 7, in the end they decided to double down (this was in a game similar to Spanish 21).



I've played at a couple tables where the dealer would stop the game to talk to players. That's a frustrating experience. I've also played with a guy who consults a deceased person before making playing decisions and let me tell ya, dealer and player reactions to him are priceless.
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February 9th, 2019 at 7:39:15 PM permalink
Heh, that would be priceless. But, to keep an open mind, if I did come back as a ghost I could think of worse places to haunt than a casino advising "sensitive" players to stand or hit.
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February 9th, 2019 at 8:54:20 PM permalink
I was looking at this thread and was fascinated with the rules and how the game changes by having the payouts change whether the contrast is and play as well as the doubling and splitting decisions.

In the end the game seems difficult to deal. To me the hand action of going in and out of the tray for matching purposes would slow the game down immensely. The HE while only 1.94% will depend on perfect play, and I doubt that about 2% of people who try their hand at this game will come close to optimal play. In the end I think it will be frustrating to gamblers and dealers alike. I think what might make the game a success despite the frustrations is the house take for a variation of blackjack. It will be a good moneymaker especially if lower limits are available and would draw newer recreational players to a blackjack game and can't afford the higher limits.

I myself wouldn't play it. The only variation of blackjack I play is switch and I typically bring my custom strategy card when I play it.
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February 9th, 2019 at 9:51:10 PM permalink
Quote: Minty

I've played at a couple tables where the dealer would stop the game to talk to players. That's a frustrating experience. I've also played with a guy who consults a deceased person before making playing decisions and let me tell ya, dealer and player reactions to him are priceless.



If you don't want to play a game with a Dealer who stops the game to talk to Players, you could try Computerized Table Games. :) My local Casino Computerized Roulette Game is just the player and the game, that's it. The only talking you'll hear is the disembodied voice saying,"Woohoo!" When you win more than your bet, LMAO! :D

The Player consulting with a deceased person before making bets seems part hilarious, part disturbing, part scary, part confusing. :D :/ O.O
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February 9th, 2019 at 11:19:14 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

If you don't want to play a game with a Dealer who stops the game to talk to Players, you could try Computerized Table Games. :) My local Casino Computerized Roulette Game is just the player and the game, that's it. The only talking you'll hear is the disembodied voice saying,"Woohoo!" When you win more than your bet, LMAO! :D

The Player consulting with a deceased person before making bets seems part hilarious, part disturbing, part scary, part confusing. :D :/ O.O



I'm better at beating games that are live, and that's my top priority. My two favorite kinds of dealers are chatty quick dealers and silent fast dealers. Either is good, long as the game keeps moving!
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February 9th, 2019 at 11:33:23 PM permalink
Dealers who can't multitask as competent dealers while talking to the patrons should stick to dealing. Dealers who can do both are a welcome bonus at the table.

I find it beyond annoying to sit at a table, especially an already slow game like PGP, when the dealer stops the game to tell a long story or chat people up. Annoying to the point where I will color up and leave, in a couple of cases, where it was continual. Yuck.

The casino isn't paying them to deal 15hph and BS, afaik. And I only get to gamble 5-8 days a year, most years. I want to see some hands.
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MrCasinoGames
February 10th, 2019 at 6:25:05 AM permalink
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Yes, You can refuse the automatic win on 21, if you wants to double it as a soft 11....

fyi I remeber discussing doubling soft 21 with my local casino. There was a game where, in some circumstances, you should split pictures and also then double if you got an Ace. Their ruling was you would need identical pictures and couldn't double AX.
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February 10th, 2019 at 9:24:02 AM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

fyi I remeber discussing doubling soft 21 with my local casino. There was a game where, in some circumstances, you should split pictures and also then double if you got an Ace. Their ruling was you would need identical pictures and couldn't double AX.


Hi charliepatrick,

Thanks for the Info.
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