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January 13th, 2019 at 9:22:16 AM permalink

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So my cruise ship has uth.

I read the wiz's strategy.

The following is my best understanding on these questions.

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A) He said to bet the medium bet (2x) when:
1) 2 pair
2) Hidden pair = 33+

I'm assuming 2 pair is both of your hole cards and not a pair on the flop?
Ie: flop= 288 and you're holding 27

Also, Why not Hidden pair of 22?

2 pair however they come, 1 or both of your hole cards involved, in the flop.

Hidden pair is one in your hand, one on the board.

Do not play hidden deuces in almost all cases until the river, but then do bet them. They're not strong enough to bet 2x because by definition they're the bottom pair, but they're strong enough not to fold.

Personally, it's probably a deviation, but I watch the other people around me. If there are a lot of them in on 4x/2x, that usually means they've used up a lot of the good cards, enough that I will bet 2x on my hidden deuces+ board pair. If everybody's/most still checking, I check to the river. Basic strategy isn't allowed to consider that. It seems to be working.

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B) for small bet (1x): play if dealer has less than 21 outs.
The only situation I can think of when we don't pair up is dealer having only 1 possible overcard?
Dealer pairing his hole cards= 15 outs
1 over card= 4 outs
Total= 19 outs

Any others?

Most boards are either no pair or 1 pair. So 1 low pair +2 overcards (AK) makes your queen good at 11. AND your jack at 15. AND your 10 at 19.

1 low pair + 1 overcard makes your queen and jack good. NOT your ten.

2 pairs + low kicker board makes 4+4+4+4+4, if both pairs are 8 or below. Your 10 is good. If either pair is 10 or above, your 9 is good. If both pairs are 10 or above, your 8 is good.

Lots more variations Like that. Deal out boards and your hand, count the kickers. Do that for a couple hours, you'll count the board at a glance. It's worth the practice. You can then bet in rhythm, not stop the game to count the outs every time.

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C) avoid the trips bet if not the .9% house edge variety?
(My cruise ship offers the 1.9% he variety.)

It's fun. 1.9 HE is very low for a sidebet. I play it. Up to you, really. But yeah, it's a sidebet.

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D) my cruise ship offers the ultimate pairs side bet:
3,5,10,15,20,25,30 (I think)

There is nothing listed for both the player and dealer having pocket aces.

What's the house edge?

No idea. Think it's around 5-7%. Not a sidebet I like or play, but can't decide for you.

Hope that all was helpful.

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January 13th, 2019 at 11:23:44 AM permalink

Make sure you pay attention to your hands. Many dealers will make a mistake reading your or their hands. Many will also fail to pay you off on hands that are eligible for your blind payoffs, As far as pocket deuces, you can play aggressive with them after the flop by betting them as long as the board is not paired.

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January 13th, 2019 at 4:37:01 PM permalink

Interesting. I'm surprised that a cruise ship even offers UTH, what with its low HE and very player friendly .52% EoR, even more that its Trips bet has less than a 2% HE. I've never played on a ship, but everything I've heard about it screams RIPOFF!!! Then again, most UTH players here report that very few people seem to know how to play the game correctly. Maybe they're banking on that.

Is the Blind Bet pay table watered down? What cruise line is this? What other table games did the ship offer?

Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.

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January 13th, 2019 at 5:41:12 PM permalink

Norwegian Cruise Lines has UTH on all their ships. I played constantly on a transatlantic cruise in 2013. I mention this because I loved the game but got killed on it, so when I got back I Googled strategy and found myself in this forum for the first time.

They had very favorable paytables, full pay on the Blind. They also allowed anyone who wanted to play a 2nd hand to do so, for 1x Play in the dark.

If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.

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January 13th, 2019 at 5:50:42 PM permalink

Quote: 100xOdds
B) for small bet (1x): play if dealer has less than 21 outs.
The only situation I can think of when we don't pair up is dealer having only 1 possible overcard?
Dealer pairing his hole cards= 15 outs
1 over card= 4 outs
Total= 19 outs

Any others?

Fold if the board has 4 to a flush, or 4 to an open-ended straight, and the fifth card doesn't pair any of them (and you don't have a card that completes the straight/flush, of course).
For the 4/flush: 9 cards make the flush + 15 cards pair = 24 outs (even if the fifth card does pair, 9 flush + 12 make two pair + 2 make three of a kind = 23 outs)
For the 4/straight: 8 cards make the straight + 15 cards pair = 23 outs
(If it is an inside straight, only 4 cards make the straight, so that is only 19 outs)

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January 14th, 2019 at 6:55:23 AM permalink

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Fold if the board has 4 to a flush, or 4 to an open-ended straight, and the fifth card doesn't pair any of them (and you don't have a card that completes the straight/flush, of course).
For the 4/flush: 9 cards make the flush + 15 cards pair = 24 outs (even if the fifth card does pair, 9 flush + 12 make two pair + 2 make three of a kind = 23 outs)
For the 4/straight: 8 cards make the straight + 15 cards pair = 23 outs
(If it is an inside straight, only 4 cards make the straight, so that is only 19 outs)

To simplify high card strategy whether to call or fold, you exclude straights and flushes. Just factor in the high cards and the cards the dealer can pair up with to get to that magical 21 number

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January 14th, 2019 at 7:03:26 AM permalink

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To simplify high card strategy whether to call or fold, you exclude straights and flushes. Just factor in the high cards and the cards the dealer can pair up with.

I have to disagree with this. Looking at 4to a flush or outside straight is a prerequisite to counting overcards for kickers. There are 9 cards +15 or 11 in a flush, 8 cards +15 or 11 for an outside straight.

So, if the board is unpaired, and has either, it's an automatic fold if you're simply calculating a kicker. And there's almost no circumstance you'd play a kicker if the board is paired - A or AK on the board might make a K or Q playable. You've 4x'd any A in your hand already, and most K's.

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January 20th, 2019 at 8:37:12 PM permalink

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It's fun. 1.9% HE is very low for a sidebet. I play it. Up to you, really. But yeah, it's a sidebet.

yeah, trips bet is fun.
the first session I played uth, I got quads but didn't bet the trips. :(
so I started doing that. 3rd session hit a string of trips/straights and full houses in 30min.

which casinos (and where) offer the .9% Trips side bet?

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January 20th, 2019 at 9:18:14 PM permalink

The best paytable I've seen in the last year is Harrah's Gulf Coast (Biloxi) with 9/7/4 (FH/FL/ST). I haven't looked at WoO to know which is the .9. Everywhere else I'm playing, it's either 8/7/4 or 8/6/5. I think 8/6/5 is at IP Biloxi fwiw. ( I don't care from one to the next - if I'm playing UTH, I'm playing Trips for the table minimum.)

Edit: ok, I looked. Harrah's Gulf Coast for the .9 paytable.

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January 21st, 2019 at 6:32:32 AM permalink

I dont play trips. But recommend doing so for players who do not how to play using the basic strategy. For the players who know how to play, they essentially are betting 4X preflop about 40% of their hands, equivalent to trips straight payoff.

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January 21st, 2019 at 12:21:22 PM permalink

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I dont play trips. But recommend doing so for players who do not how to play using the basic strategy.
For the players who know how to play, they essentially are betting 4X preflop about 40% of their hands, equivalent to trips straight payoff.

I like the trips bet for the fun factor.
also, its fun getting paid when there's a flush on the board and neither you nor the dealer has a suit to that flush.

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January 21st, 2019 at 12:23:57 PM permalink

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The best paytable I've seen in the last year is Harrah's Gulf Coast (Biloxi) with 9/7/4 (FH/FL/ST). I haven't looked at WoO to know which is the .9. Everywhere else I'm playing, it's either 8/7/4 or 8/6/5. I think 8/6/5 is at IP Biloxi fwiw. ( I don't care from one to the next - if I'm playing UTH, I'm playing Trips for the table minimum.)

Edit: ok, I looked. Harrah's Gulf Coast for the .9 paytable.

thx.
do you know if any casino in atlantic city has the .9% trips bet?

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January 21st, 2019 at 12:50:25 PM permalink

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I like the trips bet for the fun factor.
also, its fun getting paid when there's a flush on the board and neither you nor the dealer has a suit to that flush.

Do you play perfect strategy?

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January 21st, 2019 at 1:27:18 PM permalink

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Do you play perfect strategy?

well, I play the strat on WoO page.
4x: any pair 33+, any ace, k2-4s, k5+, q6-7s, q8+, j8-9s, j10
2x: any pair 33+, any 2 pair if one of the pairs is in your hand (including 22), 4 to flush if you also have 10+ (or if the flush card is 10+?)
1x: any pair, 20 outs or less for the dealer

(this is from memory and not from the cheat sheet I bring to the table)

Why do you ask?

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January 21st, 2019 at 1:46:01 PM permalink

Pretty rare to find a player who knows when to bet 4X preflop. By doing so, I find it unnecessary to place a dark side bet trying to get at least 3:1 since you're getting a guaranteed 4X if you win on a hand you are most likely going in as the favorite. . And if you dont hit your side bet, then you essentially turned your 4 X bet into a 3X preflop bet if you win.

But for players who like to check it down until they pair up, they minimize their losses in the event the hand losses by offsetting their trips bet.

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January 21st, 2019 at 3:42:30 PM permalink

If you play Trips, at what ratio to your Ante do you recommend? Half? Same? Assuming a full pay table it's a better bet than most in the casino so why not? Sometimes it wins big and sometimes it hedges a bad beat although it often just seems like a tax on the winnings of the main game.

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January 21st, 2019 at 3:58:20 PM permalink

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If you play Trips, at what ratio to your Ante do you recommend? Half? Same? Assuming a full pay table it's a better bet than most in the casino so why not? Sometimes it wins big and sometimes it hedges a bad beat although it often just seems like a tax on the winnings of the main game.

I like to play $10 Ante and $5 trips. It helps smooth the Trips drain on my br. I'm usually not playing above that level, though I have. It seems to help during the bad runs of cards.

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January 21st, 2019 at 4:33:54 PM permalink

Why not save your trips money and play VP? Better payoffs.

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January 21st, 2019 at 5:47:46 PM permalink

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Why not save your trips money and play VP? Better payoffs.

the .9% trips bet is equal or better than the vp at the 3 caesars atlantic city with normal $10coin-in per tier point.
best = 9/7 db (99.1%)

even if it's 1.9%, i'll probably start playing it just for the initial rating by the pitboss then stop when he walks away.

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January 21st, 2019 at 6:11:37 PM permalink

I come from a poker background so I'm accustomed to grinding out long sessions. Betting trips is a great way to accumulate a lot of chips if you're hitting. It's not uncommon for me to lose my initial buy in, but I do try to come out with a winning session. Im prepared to play up to 8-10 hours. I treat this game like I'm playing live poker, but with no rake!

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January 22nd, 2019 at 12:52:55 AM permalink

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The best paytable I've seen in the last year is Harrah's Gulf Coast (Biloxi) with 9/7/4 (FH/FL/ST). I haven't looked at WoO to know which is the .9. Everywhere else I'm playing, it's either 8/7/4 or 8/6/5. I think 8/6/5 is at IP Biloxi fwiw. ( I don't care from one to the next - if I'm playing UTH, I'm playing Trips for the table minimum.)

Edit: ok, I looked. Harrah's Gulf Coast for the .9 paytable.

I'm positive last time I was at Treasure Island in Minnesota (May of 2018), they had the full paytable too.

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February 4th, 2019 at 6:18:55 AM permalink

Played my 1st 10 sessions ever and Getting my ass kicked.
Down 100 buy ins.
$10+$10+$5 trips (1.9%) = $25
100 x 25= $2500

Should I be pressing my bets, like in craps?

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February 4th, 2019 at 6:31:18 AM permalink

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Played my 1st 10 sessions ever and Getting my ass kicked.
Down 100 buy ins.
$10+$10+$5 trips (1.9%) = $25
100 x 25= $2500

Should I be pressing my bets, like in craps?

Buy in should be minimum 200-300 with another 300 to back it up if you want to have a chance of a winning session. You will often lose your initial buy in, especially if you only buy in for 100. Prepare to play long sessions, last session I played for 10 hours just because I'm the type of player who grinds it out, but hit n runs are possible.

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February 4th, 2019 at 7:49:20 AM permalink

My rule for UTH buy-in is 100 times your ante. 200-300 for a $10 ante is a bit optimistic to grind out this game. You should buy in for the full amount and don't go digging if you lose it.

Once you lose the buy-in - leave the table. You are toast. If you don't, you are just sending good money after bad.. Also, I don't play trips so if you do you would need to adjust the buy-in. Not sure how much, but I would probably add about another 25%. per $5 bet.

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February 4th, 2019 at 9:13:48 AM permalink

I come from a poker background by playing live for decades so transitioning to UTH, I apply the same principles. When you play poker, you often need to reload, you may lose a good portion or all of your initial buy in. You must also prepare to play long sessions. Cant play watching the clock. And you need to make the right decisions, applying basic strategy, take advantage of the 4X bets, know when to make them.

For those who play trips, you may want to consider betting it with a separate bankroll keep your bets and winnings separately. Dont combine it with your regular play bets. This way, you can view your trips wins or losses. If you sit at 1st or 3rd base, that will allow you extra room to do so.

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February 4th, 2019 at 11:18:34 AM permalink

I find the game to be a roller-coaster, not a dumpster fire. You have to hang on and let the cards turn, and then get up when you're ahead (that's often the hardest part, when the cards are running good).

That takes a large br. Your average bet at a $5 table with optimal strategy is a little over $20. 200-300 is only 10-15 bets worrh- it's just not enough to survive the downturns.

And yeah, no time constraints. You have to ride it out.

I realize there's some gambler's fallacy baked into my advice, and you're really playing one long session. But the stop loss point is also a good idea when it's absolute crap. If you're in a slow-bleed session, it only takes a little to turn it around - that's the time to grind until you're up.

All based on my experiences with the game. The most important thing, when you're losing, is not to.chicken out and bet 3x, or check a marginal.4x or.2x, thinking you're saving money. That's where all your winnings are coming from. You have to trust the math and the averages.

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February 4th, 2019 at 11:33:31 AM permalink

Serous about winning vs fun or entertaining, big differences. Which won are you? You cant go to a casino and take the game seriously if you arrive sharing a ride or expect to win on your initial buy in. If you're running good, dont quit. Usually that happens once a year, when it's your night its your night. If you're running bad, after multiple rebuys, then quit. Time is a critical variable that often goes overlooked when it comes to winning or losingg. Make sure you arrive and leave alone. Dont have somebody dictate when to leave. Leave on your own accord.

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February 6th, 2019 at 5:48:13 AM permalink

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My rule for UTH buy-in is 100 times your ante. 200-300 for a $10 ante is a bit optimistic to grind out this game. You should buy in for the full amount and don't go digging if you lose it.

Once you lose the buy-in - leave the table. You are toast. If you don't, you are just sending good money after bad.. Also, I don't play trips so if you do you would need to adjust the buy-in. Not sure how much, but I would probably add about another 25%. per $5 bet.

I sit with$500 betting $10 ante,$10 blind and$5 trips.
So 20x.

100 times the ante?
So basically 40x my bet aka $1000

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February 6th, 2019 at 5:54:29 AM permalink

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That takes a large br. Your average bet at a $5 table with optimal strategy is a little over $20. 200-300 is only 10-15 bets worrh- it's just not enough to survive the downturns.

And yeah, no time constraints. You have to ride it out.

I realize there's some gambler's fallacy baked into my advice, and you're really playing one long session. But the stop loss point is also a good idea when it's absolute crap. If you're in a slow-bleed session, it only takes a little to turn it around - that's the time to grind until you're up.

avg bet= 4x?
So for $10 ante,$10 blinds and$5 trips, it's considered $25x4=100?

how much would you bring when being$10 ante,$10 blinds,$5 trips ($25 total)?

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February 6th, 2019 at 5:56:24 AM permalink

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Serous about winning vs fun or entertaining, big differences. Which won are you? You cant go to a casino and take the game seriously if you arrive sharing a ride or expect to win on your initial buy in. If you're running good, dont quit. Usually that happens once a year, when it's your night its your night. If you're running bad, after multiple rebuys, then quit. Time is a critical variable that often goes overlooked when it comes to winning or losingg. Make sure you arrive and leave alone. Dont have somebody dictate when to leave. Leave on your own accord.

interesting. Sounds like uth has alot more variance than craps pass line/come bets with odds?

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February 6th, 2019 at 6:06:27 AM permalink

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avg bet= 4x?
So for $10 ante,$10 blinds and$5 trips, it's considered $25x4=100?

how much would you bring when being$10 ante,$10 blinds,$5 trips ($25 total)?

No, that multiplication factor only applies to the base game. On a $10 table, you would get about $40/hand credit, then they would add the Trips on top of that.

I buy in for 200-300, but will expect to need about 500 to roll with the punches @ 10 Ante. A couple of times I've needed more.

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February 6th, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM permalink

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The best paytable I've seen in the last year is Harrah's Gulf Coast (Biloxi) with 9/7/4 (FH/FL/ST). I haven't looked at WoO to know which is the .9. Everywhere else I'm playing, it's either 8/7/4 or 8/6/5. I think 8/6/5 is at IP Biloxi fwiw. ( I don't care from one to the next - if I'm playing UTH, I'm playing Trips for the table minimum.)

Edit: ok, I looked. Harrah's Gulf Coast for the .9 paytable.

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February 6th, 2019 at 7:04:31 AM permalink

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No, that multiplication factor only applies to the base game. On a $10 table, you would get about $40/hand credit, then they would add the Trips on top of that.

I buy in for 200-300, but will expect to need about 500 to roll with the punches @ 10 Ante. A couple of times I've needed more.

yeah, I buy in for $500 Everytime at $10 ante,$5trips.
Down -$2500.

So $500 for a session isn't enough, apparently :(

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February 6th, 2019 at 9:38:13 AM permalink

100 X a bit excessive, yeah if you lose that no need for a rebuy. When I played limit poker, which was for decades, my rule of thumb was 25x the big bet. But for UTH, for a 10 & 10, my buy in will be 2 or 300 with no trip bets.

I still think if you play trips, that should be considered a separate buy in and your bets and winnings be tracked separately. Have two different stacks.

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February 6th, 2019 at 10:31:09 AM permalink

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February 14th, 2019 at 9:11:39 PM permalink

Why is the Common Progressive side bet at 5.7% house edge?
https://wizardofodds.com/games/ultimate-texas-hold-em/#toc-CommonProgressive

it pays way more than the Trips (1.9%) bet for all hands.

what am I missing?

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February 14th, 2019 at 11:59:45 PM permalink

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Why is the Common Progressive side bet at 5.7% house edge?
https://wizardofodds.com/games/ultimate-texas-hold-em/#toc-CommonProgressive

it pays way more than the Trips (1.9%) bet for all hands.

what am I missing?

I think you have to flop the hand to get the Common Progressive win. So before the turn or river cards.

The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.

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February 15th, 2019 at 6:22:44 AM permalink

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I think you have to flop the hand to get the Common Progressive win. So before the turn or river cards.

Yes, I can confirm that. 1st 5 cards only - both your cards + the flop.

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February 15th, 2019 at 11:14:22 PM permalink

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Yes, I can confirm that. 1st 5 cards only - both your cards + the flop.

ahh.. you might want to let the Wiz know so he can make that section a little clearer

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February 23rd, 2019 at 8:34:12 PM permalink

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No, that multiplication factor only applies to the base game. On a $10 table, you would get about $40/hand credit, then they would add the Trips on top of that.

golden nugget (AC) has 9/7/4 trips bet!
but their rating sucks. pitboss told me it's 1x ante and 1x trips.

Caesars 4x ante/1x Trips rating is MUCH better.

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February 24th, 2019 at 10:20:54 AM permalink

Celebrity cruise ships has 765 trips.
6% house edge :(

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March 3rd, 2019 at 4:41:32 AM permalink

1) So I have J 10 offsuit and was about to bet 4x when I notice the person next to me also having a Jack.

I have 1 less out. Still play it for 4x?

2) I have Q2 offsuit. the flop is A58 2 suited (not of my suit).
play it for 2x or wait till river?

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March 3rd, 2019 at 7:51:46 AM permalink

Quote: 100xOdds
1) So I have J 10 offsuit and was about to bet 4x when I notice the person next to me also having a Jack.

I have 1 less out. Still play it for 4x?

2) I have Q2 offsuit. the flop is A58 2 suited (not of my suit).
play it for 2x or wait till river?

Not sure what the math says.

1. I would still bet 4x. That's one less jack for the dealer.

2. I would wait for the river on any deuces. Your example doesn't make sense to me, though. You see the turn and river together, when your 2x opportunity has already passed.

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March 3rd, 2019 at 8:19:04 AM permalink

Quote: beachbumbabs
2. I would wait for the river on any deuces. Your example doesn't make sense to me, though. You see the turn and river together, when your 2x opportunity has already passed.

let me try to clarify:
I have q2 offsuit.
flop is a58, 2 suited (not of my suit).
play it for 2x or wait till after I see river card for 1x?

edit:
added the comma after a58 :)

Last edited by: 100xOdds on Mar 3, 2019

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March 3rd, 2019 at 9:55:00 AM permalink

Quote: 100xOdds
let me try to clarify:
I have q2 offsuit.
flop is a58 2 suited (not of my suit).
play it for 2x or wait till after I see river card for 1x?

So you are 2x betting the flop without a pair? I thought that goes against basic strategy.

Speaking of Jack ten, if you get a flash of a hole card enough to see it's a face card, I assume you would wait to make a pair before betting. Is that correct? Would the same go for a queen?

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March 3rd, 2019 at 10:15:50 AM permalink

I rarely let other players cards influence my play. Just last night, woman revealed pocket Aces, and I had A8 off suit, I still bet 4x. I flipped an 8 and held up. As far as flopping bottom pair with 3 of the same suit, I still bet 2x. I guess your question is similar to double down on BJ when you have 10 against a dealer 6 and there are few pictures left in the deck

I'm starting to re-evaluate calling with high cards with a non paired board. Not worth winning your play bet when you wont get paid off on your ante. Plus with a non paired board, the dealer has a greater chance of pairing up

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March 3rd, 2019 at 11:07:21 AM permalink

Quote: Vegasrider
I rarely let other players cards influence my play. Just last night, woman revealed pocket Aces, and I had A8 off suit, I still bet 4x. I flipped an 8 and held up. As far as flopping bottom pair with 3 of the same suit, I still bet 2x. I guess your question is similar to double down on BJ when you have 10 against a dealer 6 and there are few pictures left in the deck

I'm starting to re-evaluate calling with high cards with a non paired board. Not worth winning your play bet when you wont get paid off on your ante. Plus with a non paired board, the dealer has a greater chance of pairing up

Betting your ace was still the right play even with two other aces out.
As for re-evaluating calling with high cards,you shouldn't let a few observations change your play,just do what the Strategy says.
This is similar to a bj player saying they never hit 12vs 2 because they always bust.

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