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January 13th, 2019 at 6:36:13 AM permalink
So my cruise ship has uth.

I read the wiz's strategy.
A) He said to bet the medium bet (2x) when:
1) 2 pair
2) Hidden pair = 33+

I'm assuming 2 pair is both of your hole cards and not a pair on the flop?
Ie: flop= 288 and you're holding 27

Also, Why not Hidden pair of 22?

B) for small bet (1x): play if dealer has less than 21 outs.
The only situation I can think of when we don't pair up is dealer having only 1 possible overcard?
Dealer pairing his hole cards= 15 outs
1 over card= 4 outs
Total= 19 outs

Any others?

C) avoid the trips bet if not the .9% house edge variety?
(My cruise ship offers the 1.9% he variety.)

D) my cruise ship offers the ultimate pairs side bet:
3,5,10,15,20,25,30 (I think)

There is nothing listed for both the player and dealer having pocket aces.

What's the house edge?
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Jan 13, 2019
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January 13th, 2019 at 9:22:16 AM permalink
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So my cruise ship has uth.

I read the wiz's strategy.



The following is my best understanding on these questions.
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A) He said to bet the medium bet (2x) when:
1) 2 pair
2) Hidden pair = 33+

I'm assuming 2 pair is both of your hole cards and not a pair on the flop?
Ie: flop= 288 and you're holding 27

Also, Why not Hidden pair of 22?



2 pair however they come, 1 or both of your hole cards involved, in the flop.

Hidden pair is one in your hand, one on the board.

Do not play hidden deuces in almost all cases until the river, but then do bet them. They're not strong enough to bet 2x because by definition they're the bottom pair, but they're strong enough not to fold.

Personally, it's probably a deviation, but I watch the other people around me. If there are a lot of them in on 4x/2x, that usually means they've used up a lot of the good cards, enough that I will bet 2x on my hidden deuces+ board pair. If everybody's/most still checking, I check to the river. Basic strategy isn't allowed to consider that. It seems to be working.

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B) for small bet (1x): play if dealer has less than 21 outs.
The only situation I can think of when we don't pair up is dealer having only 1 possible overcard?
Dealer pairing his hole cards= 15 outs
1 over card= 4 outs
Total= 19 outs

Any others?


Most boards are either no pair or 1 pair. So 1 low pair +2 overcards (AK) makes your queen good at 11. AND your jack at 15. AND your 10 at 19.

1 low pair + 1 overcard makes your queen and jack good. NOT your ten.

2 pairs + low kicker board makes 4+4+4+4+4, if both pairs are 8 or below. Your 10 is good. If either pair is 10 or above, your 9 is good. If both pairs are 10 or above, your 8 is good.

Lots more variations Like that. Deal out boards and your hand, count the kickers. Do that for a couple hours, you'll count the board at a glance. It's worth the practice. You can then bet in rhythm, not stop the game to count the outs every time.
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C) avoid the trips bet if not the .9% house edge variety?
(My cruise ship offers the 1.9% he variety.)



It's fun. 1.9 HE is very low for a sidebet. I play it. Up to you, really. But yeah, it's a sidebet.

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D) my cruise ship offers the ultimate pairs side bet:
3,5,10,15,20,25,30 (I think)

There is nothing listed for both the player and dealer having pocket aces.

What's the house edge?



No idea. Think it's around 5-7%. Not a sidebet I like or play, but can't decide for you.

Hope that all was helpful.
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January 13th, 2019 at 11:23:44 AM permalink
Make sure you pay attention to your hands. Many dealers will make a mistake reading your or their hands. Many will also fail to pay you off on hands that are eligible for your blind payoffs, As far as pocket deuces, you can play aggressive with them after the flop by betting them as long as the board is not paired.
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January 13th, 2019 at 4:37:01 PM permalink
Interesting. I'm surprised that a cruise ship even offers UTH, what with its low HE and very player friendly .52% EoR, even more that its Trips bet has less than a 2% HE. I've never played on a ship, but everything I've heard about it screams RIPOFF!!! Then again, most UTH players here report that very few people seem to know how to play the game correctly. Maybe they're banking on that.

Is the Blind Bet pay table watered down? What cruise line is this? What other table games did the ship offer?
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January 13th, 2019 at 5:41:12 PM permalink
Norwegian Cruise Lines has UTH on all their ships. I played constantly on a transatlantic cruise in 2013. I mention this because I loved the game but got killed on it, so when I got back I Googled strategy and found myself in this forum for the first time.

They had very favorable paytables, full pay on the Blind. They also allowed anyone who wanted to play a 2nd hand to do so, for 1x Play in the dark.
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January 13th, 2019 at 5:50:42 PM permalink
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B) for small bet (1x): play if dealer has less than 21 outs.
The only situation I can think of when we don't pair up is dealer having only 1 possible overcard?
Dealer pairing his hole cards= 15 outs
1 over card= 4 outs
Total= 19 outs

Any others?


Fold if the board has 4 to a flush, or 4 to an open-ended straight, and the fifth card doesn't pair any of them (and you don't have a card that completes the straight/flush, of course).
For the 4/flush: 9 cards make the flush + 15 cards pair = 24 outs (even if the fifth card does pair, 9 flush + 12 make two pair + 2 make three of a kind = 23 outs)
For the 4/straight: 8 cards make the straight + 15 cards pair = 23 outs
(If it is an inside straight, only 4 cards make the straight, so that is only 19 outs)
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January 14th, 2019 at 6:55:23 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Fold if the board has 4 to a flush, or 4 to an open-ended straight, and the fifth card doesn't pair any of them (and you don't have a card that completes the straight/flush, of course).
For the 4/flush: 9 cards make the flush + 15 cards pair = 24 outs (even if the fifth card does pair, 9 flush + 12 make two pair + 2 make three of a kind = 23 outs)
For the 4/straight: 8 cards make the straight + 15 cards pair = 23 outs
(If it is an inside straight, only 4 cards make the straight, so that is only 19 outs)



To simplify high card strategy whether to call or fold, you exclude straights and flushes. Just factor in the high cards and the cards the dealer can pair up with to get to that magical 21 number
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January 14th, 2019 at 7:03:26 AM permalink
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To simplify high card strategy whether to call or fold, you exclude straights and flushes. Just factor in the high cards and the cards the dealer can pair up with.



I have to disagree with this. Looking at 4to a flush or outside straight is a prerequisite to counting overcards for kickers. There are 9 cards +15 or 11 in a flush, 8 cards +15 or 11 for an outside straight.

So, if the board is unpaired, and has either, it's an automatic fold if you're simply calculating a kicker. And there's almost no circumstance you'd play a kicker if the board is paired - A or AK on the board might make a K or Q playable. You've 4x'd any A in your hand already, and most K's.
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January 20th, 2019 at 8:37:12 PM permalink
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It's fun. 1.9% HE is very low for a sidebet. I play it. Up to you, really. But yeah, it's a sidebet.

yeah, trips bet is fun.
the first session I played uth, I got quads but didn't bet the trips. :(
so I started doing that. 3rd session hit a string of trips/straights and full houses in 30min.

which casinos (and where) offer the .9% Trips side bet?
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January 20th, 2019 at 9:18:14 PM permalink
The best paytable I've seen in the last year is Harrah's Gulf Coast (Biloxi) with 9/7/4 (FH/FL/ST). I haven't looked at WoO to know which is the .9. Everywhere else I'm playing, it's either 8/7/4 or 8/6/5. I think 8/6/5 is at IP Biloxi fwiw. ( I don't care from one to the next - if I'm playing UTH, I'm playing Trips for the table minimum.)

Edit: ok, I looked. Harrah's Gulf Coast for the .9 paytable.
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