TDawg
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November 6th, 2009 at 7:29:10 PM permalink
Are any casino's better than others for Craps?

I think the payouts are the same no matter what the table so maybe it is just a question of table limits and environment.

I've played at PH and had a good time but no where else.

Any advice?
TDawg
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November 6th, 2009 at 8:48:27 PM permalink
I got the following from this website:


"100X Odds Bets:
During promotional periods some casinos may offer 100x Odds Bets. This reduces the craps house edge almost to zero. The only casino in Vegas to offer it is Casino Royale, while MGM, Bellagio and most other casinos offer standard 3-4-5 set. The Stratosphere casino offers 10X and Golden Nugget offers the unusual 6-8-10 odds. The worst variant of 2X can be found in Riviera, Orleans and Gold Coast. Offering such odds is strongly criticized by experienced gamblers along with 6:5 blackjack payouts."

In an attempt to answer my own question I pulled this off a website tonight. Looks like Stratosphere offers 10X odds. I can't see playing at the Casino Royale so I'm thinking maybe the Strat is the place to take advantage of the best odds.
FleaStiff
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November 7th, 2009 at 1:06:23 AM permalink
3x4x5x is available in about half the casinos in town.
10x or 20x is available if you look around a bit.
100x at Casino Royale near the Venetian with a five dollar minimum bet.

The question is What does the sign on the table telling you what the max odds are do for you?
Its only the odds bets that you actually make that will ever help you. So if you are not actually going to be playing at maximum odds what difference could it make to you?

Main Street Station is 20x and microbrews are nearby, yet alot of people don't bet beyond 2x odds and drink commercially available beers. You can even be a really cheap casino that only offers 2x odds but if you are comfortable with that, its okay to play there. Most cruise boats only offer 2x odds because passengers have no other choice of a casino. In Vegas to a certain extent casinos compete on the odds they offer, but the competition seems limited to their marquees and advertisements. Few people really play max odds.

The JokersWild in Henderson, I'm told, has low minimum bets so the good odds are therefore attractive to low rollers, but I don't rent a car when I'm in Vegas so what good are Jokers Wild or Eastside Cannery to me?
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November 8th, 2009 at 10:32:39 AM permalink
The problem as I see it with 100x odds is usually bankroll management. If you're a $5 or $10 craps player, your $500 odds bet is way out of line with the rest of your bets unless you're playing with thousands. Otherwise, If you lose that bet, you're bankroll is shattered.

I think 3-4-5 odds works best, as playing full odds is usually pretty well aligned with your other bets. And if you want to increase your odds, just put another $5, $10, or $25 down on the pass line.
BenJammin
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November 8th, 2009 at 11:40:17 AM permalink
Quote: TDawg

Are any casino's better than others for Craps?

I think the payouts are the same no matter what the table so maybe it is just a question of table limits and environment.

I've played at PH and had a good time but no where else.

Any advice?



Craps is pretty much uniform as a game, the difference to me is the quality of the crew, the table minimums, the atmosphere, and the drink service (last but not least!)

Some casinos do tweak the payback on certain hard way bets making them even less attractive. They do this by changing certain paybacks from say 15 to 1 to 15 for 1. This is a very sneaky way to increase the already unacceptable house advantage. Some tables say 16 for 1 which is the same as 15 to 1, but the gaffed tables say like 8 for 1 instead of 8 to 1 or 9 for 1.

As far as the bet minimum, you can bankroll a lower minimum game more effectively with less money.

For instance $100 isn't an adequate bankroll on a $5 dollar table, but it' might be on a on a $2 table.

You need at least $150 for a $3 table and some will say you need even more that that to play a winning session.

With a pass line bet out there with double odds,($15) two come bets with odds($30) and a place bet,($6) that's $51 on one pass at a $5 dollar table, $33 on a $3 dollar table, and $24 dollars on a $2 table, assuming a $6 dollar place bet added to the mix.

So, for a hundred bucks you're good for about two passes on a $5 table, unless you start winning quick.

If you're new the best table is one that isn't too crowded, and has friendly helpful dealers, and good drink service.

Always tip the crew and the best way to do that in my opinion is to make a free odds bet for them. You do this by placing a wager for them behind the line next to your odds bet and designating it as "One for the boys". They will love you and help you learn the game, especially if it's a slow day and they're not making a lot of money on tips.

Most folks don't know that other than tips they are paid only minimum wage, and they have to work whether you win or lose.

Most of all, Have Fun!
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November 9th, 2009 at 1:21:44 PM permalink
In addition to the differing hard ways payouts that BenJammin pointed out, there are some casinos that pay 3x for a 12 on the field while many pay 2x.

I believe there could be other minor differences.

HOWEVER: All of the differences that I've seen are on the bets that have high house advantage. I.E. The kinds of bets that an educated player would avoid.

Yeah, I realize that most players play the hard ways. But they are also educated enough to know that they shouldn't.

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Personally, I'd like to know where to find low limit tables. Not merely tables that take a $1 or $2 pass or come bet, but would take a $1.50 6/8 place bet, and pay $1.75. etc.

If i can't find that, then how about a $5 table that will allow $1.50 betting units on the 6/8. I.E. I'll bet a $6 minimum, but allow me to press it to $7.50 with a correct payout.

Ditto for 4, 5, 9, 10.

Is that too much to ask? It is? OK. Then bring out those pink $2.50 blackjack chips and allow me to press in $3 units for a $3.50 unit payout.

Hell, you're not using those pink chips on the blackjack tables anymore, are you? (Sorry for the diversion.)
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BenJammin
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November 10th, 2009 at 1:10:03 AM permalink
No pinkies anymore that I know of. They used to have them at the El Cortez in Downtown Vegas but everyone kept keeping them as souvenirs so no mas!

As far as low limits the Casino Royale (Vegas Strip) is now doing $3 on both tables even on a weekend when i was last there, several weeks ago.

The El Cortez was running only one table at $5 dollars, but I've seen $3 tables there also.

Considering the number of crew it takes to properly man a Craps table I'm surprised the ever go below $5. A box Man, two dealers and a stick man just to run the game is the norm.
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November 13th, 2009 at 12:54:35 PM permalink
Quote: BenJammin

No pinkies anymore that I know of. They used to have them at the El Cortez in Downtown Vegas but everyone kept keeping them as souvenirs so no mas!

As far as low limits the Casino Royale (Vegas Strip) is now doing $3 on both tables even on a weekend when i was last there, several weeks ago.

The El Cortez was running only one table at $5 dollars, but I've seen $3 tables there also.

Considering the number of crew it takes to properly man a Craps table I'm surprised the ever go below $5. A box Man, two dealers and a stick man just to run the game is the norm.



http://www.nextshooter.com/vegas contains a guide to the craps tables in Vegas and what their norm is. Essentially you would want to find a table that allows you to up your odds to your comfort zone - the more the better. If you're looking for anything beyond 3-4-5 on the strip (which all casinos pretty much offer), then you've got the Stratosphere or Casino Royale only. If you're a field player, then you need to find tables that offer 3x on the 12. If you're a center action player, then you need to find tables that pay "Downtown odds" instead of "strip odds" which will rip a $1 off you for every win.

The casinos on the Strip that offer both Downtown odds and 3x on the 12 are the MGM Group (Mandalay Bay - Luxor - Excalibur - NY NY - MGM - Bellagio), as well as the Monte Carlo, Venetian / Palazzo, Wynn/Encore, Caesars).

For me, I like to find a $5 table and bulk up on my odds. More important to me is the crew, comps, and service that I receive.
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johann528
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November 19th, 2009 at 5:44:28 PM permalink
Joker's Wild. $1.50 pays $1.75. Those orange quarters really pile up in the rack. Most of the times I've been there, (3-4times) it hasn't been too busy, usually from 10am-8pm or so. The food isn't the best there, it's a bit smokey, and the lounge singers aren't the prettiest thing to look at. The have $10 double deck blackjack that pays 3:2 if I remember correctly.
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February 18th, 2013 at 4:53:20 PM permalink
Well I play at best a $5 table and my favorite place is the californian. My reasons are that most of the shooters there are old asians that are dice setters. Back in the 80's i would say the best place was binions and i can say i saw rolls that looked like a dice mechanic was doing it. I saw what i think was the helicopter roll and he hit five consecutive hard ways and the jimmy durante lookalike that was talking up this sweet looking blonde and calling his numbers now of course there was no heavy betting at the tables.

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