Premium Hold 'Em

I like to check the check the list of New Field Trial Games on a regular basis. Starting on May 31 was Premium Hold 'Em at the Mont Bleu in Lake Tahoe. I've never seen any casino in Lake Tahoe do a field trial before. All you game inventors on the forum should add them to your list of casinos to pitch to. If you meet the DTG (Director of Table Games), please ask him what happened to their two Derby games.

The AGS web site seems to be down so I don't know anything about this one. After Black Jackpot and Flip 'It, the last two field trial games, I'm eager to ... see a change.

I'll report back if I get any more information. Feel free to beat me to it.

The site seems to be up now. The game seems okay, just another Hold'em game but you get three hole cards and only four community cards.

http://playags.com/portfolio/premium-holdem/

Quote: DRich

The site seems to be up now. The game seems okay, just another Hold'em game but you get three hole cards and only four community cards.

http://playags.com/portfolio/premium-holdem/

Link doesn't work for me.

The AGS site is down again. That site goes down more often than { insert punchline here. }

This game is also at Harrah's Resort Southern CA.

AGS site is up, here is pdf of the rack card: http://playags.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/PremiumRackCard.pdf

This game is like this:

Player makes a mandatory Ante Bet and Ante Bonus Bet.
Player see his 3 cards. May make a Play bet of 3X or check.
The 4 community cards are revealed all at once.
Player may make a Play bet of 2X, 1X or Fold.

Dealer's cards are revealed. If dealer DNQ with a pair of 3s or higher, your ante bet pushes.
Ante Bonus Bet payouts start at Straight 1:1; you must beat dealer to collect Ante Bonus payouts.
Play Bet pays 1:1 if you beat dealer.

V similar to UTH.

My 1st impression -it will take a very good first 3 cards to justify making a 3X bet. Because your alternative is to check and see 4 cards (a lot of information) and be able to Bet 2x, 1x or fold.

So your first 3 cards will need to be 3oak or a high pair to make a 3X bet. I don't even think three suited high cards (like AKQ suited) will be good enough for a 3X bet.

Quote: gordonm888

My 1st impression -it will take a very good first 3 cards to justify making a 3X bet. Because your alternative is to check and see 4 cards (a lot of information) and be able to Bet 2x, 1x or fold.

So your first 3 cards will need to be 3oak or a high pair to make a 3X bet. I don't even think three suited high cards (like AKQ suited) will be good enough for a 3X bet.

I wonder if this means players will "play" this game more optimally than UTH as the 3X decision will require a "duh, your hand is awesome" to bet. Whereas UTH, you will rarely see a K/5 os hand bet 4X or the J/10 bet 4X which is the optimal play, IIRC. Those and similar mistakes contribute fairly significantly to the house win in UTH.

Player's playing better would be a bad outcome for the house that installs Premium Hold'em. Most UTH player's play so poorly the game holds really well and still generates a lot of play. UTH is a category killer...I would not be in the business of trying to come up with a rival. That being said PGD (Rest in Peace) added a lot with the bad beat built in bonus to Heads Up Hold'em, but even Galaxy had to adjust pay tables early on as reducing the 4X decision to a 3X decision made player mistakes in not betting on the first two cards less penalizing (hope that makes sense).

I believed I played Premium Hold'em at G2E and came away not seeing any significant addition to the UTH experience.

I believe AGS still has a field trial at Golden Nugget Laughlin for Gin & Win. It doesn't sound like a game that I would play.

http://www.playags.com/GinAndWin/

Here is a demo game from the AGS web site, which is up as of this posting. It also shows the X-Tra Bonus pay table, if you were wondering about that. I may as well write it down, in case the AGS site goes down again.

Royal flush: 500
Straight flush: 100
Four of a kind: 10
Full house: 3
Flush: 1.5
Straight: 1

In other words, it is the same as the Blind pay table in Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em, except a straight flush pays 100, as opposed to 50.

So.

Yet another game using Roger Snow's and Elliot Frome"s IP. And not the only one from AGS.

Very sad.

Quote: beachbumbabs

So.

Yet another game using Roger Snow's and Elliot Frome"s IP. And not the only one from AGS.

Very sad.

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Quote: Wizard

Here is a demo game from the AGS web site, which is up as of this posting. It also shows the X-Tra Bonus pay table, if you were wondering about that. I may as well write it down, in case the AGS site goes down again.

Royal flush: 500
Straight flush: 100
Four of a kind: 10
Full house: 3
Flush: 1.5
Straight: 1

In other words, it is the same as the Blind pay table in Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em, except a straight flush pays 100, as opposed to 50.

You can find Premium Hold’Em's (Basic Strategy, Bonus Side-Bet, and Detailed Stats) at Discount Gambling: https://buff.ly/2JhlEPU

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Quote: MrCasinoGames

You can find Premium Hold’Em's (Basic Strategy, Bonus Side-Bet, and Detailed Stats) at Discount Gambling: https://buff.ly/2JhlEPU

Thanks. Here is a direct link: https://discountgambling.net/2018/06/.

It's nice to see Stephen posting again. He went almost three years without a peep. I thought working as a nearly-free math gun for hire wore him out.

It is bittersweet to see this as I was half way through with a program and was hoping to be the first to publish on the game. Oh well -- competition makes for a better world.

Quote: Wizard

Thanks. Here is a direct link: https://discountgambling.net/2018/06/.

It's nice to see Stephen posting again. He went almost three years without a peep. I thought working as a nearly-free math gun for hire wore him out.

It is bittersweet to see this as I was half way through with a program and was hoping to be the first to publish on the game. Oh well -- competition makes for a better world.

Well you could always publish the strategy for counting outs on the flop,that would be different than Stephen's format.

I find that Stephen Howe's work is always excellent. Whenever I am doing "research" on UTH or Miss Stud., I use both WOO and Discount Gambling because there is different kinds of information - or different slants on information - available from the two sites. These are the only two sites I completely trust for game analysis.

I do find that these 10-card games are difficult for me to analyze using my own techniques (I am occasionally interested in things beyond HE and published basic strategy) and Premium Hold'em will be no exception So, I just want to say that I expect that I would certainly find value in the Wiz's analysis and writeup on this game, even if it wasn't first.

And I am a big fan of JB's calculators. And while I realize that there is no earthly justification for JB to write a Premium Hold'em hand evaluator/calculator, I can always dream, LOL.

Stephen kindly said I could quote from his site so I plan to do that for now.

I agree that looping through games like this by brute force can take a long time. I find it saves a lot of time to save a poker value of each hand in arrays. That way I'm not scoring the same hands over and over. It takes a fair number of logical steps to score a seven-card poker hand and that takes time.

Please have a preview of my new page on Premium Hold 'Em. I fully admit taking all the math from Discount Gambling, for which permission was given. However, the presentation is in my usual style.

As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and especially corrections.

p.s. Go Knights in game 5!

Your WOO site says:
"Like Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em, the game requires two equal bets to start. It also shares the feature of giving the player two opportunities to make a raise bet. "

I believe that UTH gives the player THREE opportunities to make a raise bet.

Quote: gordonm888

I believe that UTH gives the player THREE opportunities to make a raise bet.

You're right. Thank you for the correction.

Quote: beachbumbabs

So.

Yet another game using Roger Snow's and Elliot Frome"s IP. And not the only one from AGS.

Very sad.

If it's not Galaxy it is AGS.

I said it many times before, and I'll say it many times in the future. This is the type of stuff that will prevent innovation in the table games space in the future.

Quote: gordonm888

I find that Stephen Howe's work is always excellent. Whenever I am doing "research" on UTH or Miss Stud., I use both WOO and Discount Gambling because there is different kinds of information - or different slants on information - available from the two sites. These are the only two sites I completely trust for game analysis.

I do find that these 10-card games are difficult for me to analyze using my own techniques (I am occasionally interested in things beyond HE and published basic strategy) and Premium Hold'em will be no exception So, I just want to say that I expect that I would certainly find value in the Wiz's analysis and writeup on this game, even if it wasn't first.

And I am a big fan of JB's calculators. And while I realize that there is no earthly justification for JB to write a Premium Hold'em hand evaluator/calculator, I can always dream, LOL.

Yes, Michael Shackleford and Stephen Howe's work is always excellent.
They Both has been my Mathematician for a long time for my New Table Games.

P.S. The Other 2 Mathematician I highly recommend: Cindy Liu and Charles Mousseau.