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Wizard
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January 23rd, 2017 at 8:53:00 PM permalink
I just came back from a few days in Reno where I spotted two games in field trial. One of them was Uptown/Downtown at the Silver Legacy. It is a simple dice game where every bet resolves in one throw.

In my 20 years in this business I've seen plenty of attempts to bring a dice game to the casino that are meant to be a simpler alternatives to craps. 100% of them have crashed and burned. Let's see if Uptown/Downtown can break the trend.

For all the details, please visit my new page on Uptown/Downtown. As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and especially corrections.

The question for the poll is which statements do you agree with? Multiple votes allowed.
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Toes14
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January 23rd, 2017 at 9:34:18 PM permalink
Wizard - I think there's an error in either your rules or your analysis. In the rules, you state that Downtown pays 6:5 on a dice total of 2 to 6, but in your analysis, you show it paying 4:1.

Also, the combinations in that analysis look wrong. Shouldn't there be 15 winners and 21 losers, like in the Uptown section? I'd expect both sections to look the same, due to the same proportion of winners and same payout odds.
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charlestfuller
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January 23rd, 2017 at 9:40:27 PM permalink
This only seems to have slight appeal over the one roll bets in Craps. Field, Horn, etc I would bet are more enticing to most players.

That being said, I voted for Aimee above the waist.
Wizard
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January 23rd, 2017 at 10:01:27 PM permalink
Quote: Toes14

Wizard - I think there's an error in either your rules or your analysis. In the rules, you state that Downtown pays 6:5 on a dice total of 2 to 6, but in your analysis, you show it paying 4:1.



Thanks. The table had a heading for Downtown but the body was for the Midtown. Copy and paste error.
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DJTeddyBear
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January 24th, 2017 at 5:47:05 AM permalink
I give them credit for trying, but I doubt it will make it.

Maybe if it had some type of multiple roll longshot bet it would be more appealing.
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January 24th, 2017 at 6:05:11 AM permalink
So the best bets on the layoutt (Odd/Even) is worse than Roulette? Resolutions in this game are going to be way faster than Roulette and my guess is that the Uptown/Downtown bets will be most popular when players try this game out. That 8.3% HE and fast resolution is going to kill this game in a very short period of time.
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January 24th, 2017 at 6:40:57 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

That 8.3% HE and fast resolution is going to kill this game in a very short period of time.



I agree. I saw the game twice as both times it was standing dead.

I think if players wanted a simple dice game, then sic bo and chuck a luck would be more popular. Whoever is behind this game would probably argue that those two games don't allow the players to throw the dice, and their game does, but I don't think that will be enough to save it.

The dice setters on the forum may be interested to know that it is played on a very small table. About 40% the size of a normal craps table.
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DJTeddyBear
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January 24th, 2017 at 7:47:08 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The dice setters on the forum may be interested to know that it is played on a very small table. About 40% the size of a normal craps table.

Sounds like a craps tub size. On that note, why are tubs unpopular? Seems to me that the size as well as high player/employee ratio would be appealing to management....
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January 24th, 2017 at 8:23:50 AM permalink
Sigh... I don't see why more game developers don't just keep it simple!

This game should pay out on 3 for odd and 2 and 12 for even... after all, those are odd and even numbers so players will just have a bad taste in their mouth of they bet something like even and 2 comes up then 12 comes up and yet they don't win.

Next, the house edge... If I wanted to bet 5%+ house edge on Odd/Even I'd just go do it on Roulette. They at least show me the last 25 spins (lol). But yeah, you MUST make a "line" bet (uptown/downtown) of 8%+? Jeez why not just skip playing and ask the players for "donations to the house" instead?

It's a good idea, but get the house edge down to about 2% (which is still then "more" than regular craps.
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January 24th, 2017 at 9:02:23 AM permalink
I agree, I would rather play roulette than this game.

Unless, of course, it's 000 roulette, which as I understand it, is at the Venetian. (Perhaps time for an update of the roulette survey.)

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