Gamblit Poker
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Quote: DJTeddyBearNice article. Congrats.
https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2017/apr/07/skill-based-games-early-returns-encourage-gamblit/
this comment in the article hit the nail:
"Of course the opening numbers are impressive. Everyone wants to try something new ONCE."
lets see what happens in the long run
Quote: 100xOddsthis comment in the article hit the nail:
"Of course the opening numbers are impressive. Everyone wants to try something new ONCE."
lets see what happens in the long run
I disagree. The new GameCo Inc games people are just looking at and not even playing or playing literally 1 round and leaving. If people are playing actual sessions of Gamblit poker that is a lot better then where they could actually be at. Doesn't mean any long term success but its still good news.
Personal observations. The table and stools are counter height however the game sits another 5 inches higher which seemed a bit uncomfortable and could give a poor angle for screen viewing.
The action for the table version of the game had a large tactile button. This version uses an onscreen button which worked for most but one player was tapping beyond the button in the area where the hand is displayed. I feel you should be able to tap the "felt" area and it should be an easy fix if they recognize it.
Cocktail servers will need to recognize the demands of the game and allow time for hands to finish.
Reply> The winner of the hand will collect more than they wagered.
People are betting different amounts? If so, how does that work?
Quote: AxelWolfIs there a working card reader?
MGM Grand went live last week with two units in their Level Up area. From what I can tell neither MGM or PH has functional card readers but slot attendants tell me that Gamblit is working to fix this asap.
Quote: AxelWolfPeople are betting different amounts? If so, how does that work?
Everyone at the table must bet the same amount. The MGM units are $2 denom and Planet Hollywood has a $2 and $5 denom.
Quote: mrsuit31How long would you say it took to complete a hand? Anyone who has seen it.....
Play of the hand takes ~30-60 seconds depending on how long it takes for the first player to get to a pat hand. ~30 more seconds of graphics and bet selection in between rounds.
Quote: TheoHuxtablePlay of the hand takes ~30-60 seconds depending on how long it takes for the first player to get to a pat hand. ~30 more seconds of graphics and bet selection in between rounds.
Got it, thank you.
I spent most of my time at the Poker Pro automated 1-2NL game...boy was that game soft and as Romes/PG know, if I am feeling like I have a winning game at a NL table, real poker players would clean up. But you have to endure game pace of 22 HPH in a poker game...talk about slow.
Quote: ParadigmGamblit employee/rep onboard all week attempting to explain/schill the game to passengers
I still think its going to be a major challenge to get a game started without a schill on both the electronic and physical table game (I know the articles make it seem that a gamblit employee will always be required to stand on a game for player protection purposes). Unless multiple people walk up together, how do you start a family pot based game? And in the event multiple friends walk up together, how long will a group of friends play hoping to see a prize that exceeds the total buy in for the players.
Once the novelty of these games being god's gift the the gaming industry wears off, I just don't see how these will able to maintain the amount of floor space we've been seeing devoted to these machines. Especially if they only have a 30-45 hand per hour pace, I don't see how these can generate more revenue than a bank of 4 video poker or slot machines, at a $2 or $5 wager amount, capped at four players.
But I am seemingly alone in my thoughts Gamblit raises another 25 million
Quote: ParadigmGame was sited on the Ruby Princess cruise ship last week. Same 4 player all digital version of the game. Located in the casino bar adjacent to casino, they likely removed a high top bar table to create the space. Gamblit employee/rep onboard all week attempting to explain/schill the game to passengers on the three separate sea days fo the voyage. Not a lot of action, but the ship does seem like the perfect spot for a novelty game machine like this.
I spent most of my time at the Poker Pro automated 1-2NL game...boy was that game soft and as Romes/PG know, if I am feeling like I have a winning game at a NL table, real poker players would clean up. But you have to endure game pace of 22 HPH in a poker game...talk about slow.
when I sailed Princess earlier this decade, rake was 10% up to $7, which is better than NCL's 10% up to $25.
still the same?
The interview shows that Caesar's plans to carve out segments of the casino for "the casino of the future" to attract groups of millennials...
Quote: ronniefNot exactly sure how this game works. If me and a friend want to kill a little time , Could we sit an an empty table and just decide we would only go for a straight flush each ? Would take a while for one of us to get a straight flush, only going for the highest straight flush possible with out starting card. And half the time the other player would still be alive. Cheap nad friendly gambling. Also a cheap way to wait for a fish to show up. Once one of us is in the lead, not that hard to protect a partners hands by blocking the fish. Sure looks like collusion could easily be possible
No, there are a finite number of cards available for draw. Once they're exhausted, the game ends and the hands are compared. If you don't have 5 cards, your best hand from the 4 or fewer cards is used.
Collusion via blocking is very possible though.
No fish are going to show up at this game. Right now, it looks like a table to sit at and have drinks. If two people are sitting down, nobody is going to come over, just as a nobody is going to pull up to a high bar table that two people he doesn't know are sitting at. They really whiffed on physical design as far as I'm concerned.
Seriously, if you tried to sit at this game when two people you don't know are there, I'd be surprised if they didn't look at you funny and ask what you're doing.
Quote: sabreSeriously, if you tried to sit at this game when two people you don't know are there, I'd be surprised if they didn't look at you funny and ask what you're doing.
The thing that stuck out to me from the video was that the interviewee keeps saying that this will allow groups of friends to come out and play together and socialize. My followup to that statement would be (what I believe someone else had already said in a previous post in this thread), "how long will groups of friends sit and bleed off that rake?".
I understand that there is potential for larger prizes, but then people are really just sitting and waiting for one of the larger prizes to show its face. In which case this really just turns back in to a team slot machine.
As always, just my thoughts. I know the Wiz has been and continues to be an advocate, as was the case we discussed when the physical table debuted at the table games conference...
And for the record, I'm a millennial, the specific target for these games...
Quote: WizardI mentioned this to Axel privately, but I'd like to do an informal dinner somewhere on the South Strip this weekend and then play some Gamblit. Anyone interested?
Sounds like fun. Wish I was in town this weekend. I cannot wait to read the results of the play.
Quote: mrsuit31The thing that stuck out to me from the video was that the interviewee keeps saying that this will allow groups of friends to come out and play together and socialize. My followup to that statement would be (what I believe someone else had already said in a previous post in this thread), "how long will groups of friends sit and bleed off that rake?".
Agree. Why would I want to play against my friends -- we could invent a similar game at home with no rake. Then again, I may not want to play 'against' my friends, but I would want to play 'with' my friends. Also, why would I want to play 'against' strangers? If you cannot recognize the fish...
The thing about table games is it's you vs casino, no?
Quote: sabreNo, there are a finite number of cards available for draw. Once they're exhausted, the game ends and the hands are compared. If you don't have 5 cards, your best hand from the 4 or fewer cards is used.
Collusion via blocking is very possible though.
No fish are going to show up at this game. Right now, it looks like a table to sit at and have drinks. If two people are sitting down, nobody is going to come over, just as a nobody is going to pull up to a high bar table that two people he doesn't know are sitting at. They really whiffed on physical design as far as I'm concerned.
Seriously, if you tried to sit at this game when two people you don't know are there, I'd be surprised if they didn't look at you funny and ask what you're doing.
Are you sure there are a finite number of cards to be drawn ? just asking. I know only a certain number of cards ( no idea how many ) are drawn after a hand is made, In video I think the hands are 3 card poker hands ? If there is a finite number, how is it decided ? Same for 2, 3 or 4 players. I fing contradictory facts all over the net. Anybody Reall know >>>
Number who have confirmed for WoV Gamblit night: 0
Quote: IndyJeffreyAgree. Why would I want to play against my friends -- we could invent a similar game at home with no rake. Then again, I may not want to play 'against' my friends, but I would want to play 'with' my friends. Also, why would I want to play 'against' strangers? If you cannot recognize the fish...
The thing about table games is it's you vs casino, no?
I agree. I can play games with / against my friends without a rake and enjoy it more.
I think you need to pick a day and approximate time for some dinner and then see who's up for checking it out after. I will contact a few people once I have the day and time for dinner. I'm sure I can get a few unless this is a busy weekend for everyone.Quote: WizardI'm hoping to answer the many questions about this game soon.
Number who have confirmed for WoV Gamblit night: 0
I don't know why others would overall. But as for my interest in this goes, I want to see if there is more of an opportunity than some are indicating.Quote: beachbumbabsI agree. I can play games with / against my friends without a rake and enjoy it more.
The 70's(perhaps the late 60's) called and they want their style back.Quote: mrsuit31
The interview shows that Caesar's plans to carve out segments of the casino for "the casino of the future" to attract groups of millennials...
Quote: beachbumbabs
Collusion is huge. A team playing against others can claim a card they don't need in their lesser hand that would fill a non teamers hand. Maybe dealing the first card face down can combat some of this, as it would keep your competition from seeing what you're waiting for. Example from the video of person getting 3oak on the last card; someone else can grab that card, leaving the straight as the best hand.
I think this is an exciting game. However, my biggest concern I have for this game is collusion. Furthermore, during the course of playing/competing, the excitement can create resentment & distrust which could turn into hatred human behavior. And one player could scarified his/her impossible to win hand (or simply just doesn't care about his/her bet) to make every effort to stop another player from winning for whatever hatred reason...
Quote: mrsuit31Disclaimer- I had fun playing the game at the show. So it is definitely fun. But as far as a practicality opinion, see below.
1) The revenue issue was one of the big concerns, that you already expressed. On top of the lack of revenue generation, the game can not be cheap to lease (two digital displays, a card reading shoe, a custom table and I'm assuming regular maintenance/testing). Therefore, it will be a minimal profit issue with a capped win, IMO (this is why many poker rooms are slimming or disappearing quickly).
The digital displays are at a dime a dozen, but I'm curious about typical cost for a card reading shoe and a custom table. What is the typical cost for a card reading shoe and a custom table?
https://www.casino.org/news/skill-based-gaming-developer-gamblit-raises-25-million
Quote: AxelWolfI think you need to pick a day and approximate time for some dinner and then see who's up for checking it out after. I will contact a few people once I have the day and time for dinner. I'm sure I can get a few unless this is a busy weekend for everyone.
To just say anything -- Saturday night. Maybe combine it with Top Golf, which has good affordable food.
Quote: IndyJeffrey.
The thing about table games is it's you vs casino, no?
Negative good sir. The table game version is the same as the digital in regard to the family pot aspect. However, the physical table is there card poker vs the digital five card.
They both are family pot games. In the digital the game acts as a slot where a random prize is awarded, the physical table is strictly limited to the family pot table minimum vague with the option of a side wager vs the house.
Based on some of the other comments, it's seems many still don't realize there are two separate gamblit poker games (digital as seen in the video I posted and the physical table version as seen in Mike's video from the table games show in the OP)
Edit: If I didn't understand that quoted question properly and you were just asking about table games generally.... There are a few games that had family pots wagers, in addition to the main player vs casino base game. Right now Flop poker (which has been around for a long time) has a family pot wager and my original version of Money$uit 31 used to have one also. In Canada, players DID NOT LIKE playing against the other players at the table at all. I actually got yelled at by one of the player's for that...
Quote: 777The digital displays are at a dime a dozen, but I'm curious about typical cost for a card reading shoe and a custom table. What is the typical cost for a card reading shoe and a custom table?
I would ntomally agree about the displays being cheap, if they were normal stand alone displays. Here however, the displays are linked to the card reading shoe and the table/buttons... The fact they these are the only display that show players the next card coming out, places these in a category of their own, in my opinion, that should require heavy scruitiny. What happens if the display on the left shows the card a split second earlier then the one on the right etc....?
Top Golf, cold beer, food and Gamblit poker is a tall order on such short notice. Not even sure if I'm allowed to have so much excitement in one night.Quote: WizardTo just say anything -- Saturday night. Maybe combine it with Top Golf, which has good affordable food.
I'll allow it. You boys play nice.Quote: AxelWolfTop Golf, cold beer, food and Gamblit poker is a tall order on such short notice. Not even sure if I'm allowed to have so much excitement in one night.
(disappointed I'm gonna miss this)
https://youtu.be/fgEMvRrOCRI?t=3
Quote: billryanWarm beer and lousy food works better for me, but beggars cant be choosers. Get enough drunk with golf clubs together and a game of hurling might beak out.
https://youtu.be/fgEMvRrOCRI?t=3
I thought lacross goalies were a little crazy. Who in their right mind would voluntarily be a goalie for this?????
Quote: mrsuit31I thought lacross goalies were a little crazy. Who in their right mind would voluntarily be a goalie for this?????
My nephew was in the the division ii college lacrosse championship tournament this past week. They lost in the final, as returning champions. Me, I can't figure out how they get enough people to play to even have a tournament. Voluntarily get hacked and knocked over, with no pads and just a light helmet? Our goalie took one in the face estimated close to 100 mph. Those sticks really accelerate the ball speed. Insane game.
He got hacked to the bone early in the season, was mostly sidelined while healing, but still hurt 5 months later. Excited about playing again next year, though. No way, just no way I'd play that game.
Quote: beachbumbabsMy nephew was in the the division ii college lacrosse championship tournament this past week. They lost in the final, as returning champions. Me, I can't figure out how they get enough people to play to even have a tournament. Voluntarily get hacked and knocked over, with no pads and just a light helmet? Our goalie took one in the face estimated close to 100 mph. Those sticks really accelerate the ball speed. Insane game.
He got hacked to the bone early in the season, was mostly sidelined while healing, but still hurt 5 months later. Excited about playing again next year, though. No way, just no way I'd play that game.
I was played attack. I used to clock 92 on my shot (yes, seriously). Goalies and defenders didn't like me at all... But like you said, the defense deserved it after they would slash the pooh out of me. Sometimes they may or may not have been shot at intentionally, including an occasional ref standing behind the cage who was making terrible calls lol.
I chose football over lacross for college. But both would have ended with two wrist reconstructions like football did regardless :(
We were in Ireland for my cousins wedding and he was invited to a hurling scrimmage. He said he didn't have any equipment and they laughed.
I'm a former college football and rugby player but the only way I'm going to hurling is with a ticket.
The other of the two games was poker-based, where the object was to get the best five-card poker. That game I think we all liked much better.
I also wrote up a page for Gamblit games in general. Please click the link.
My own opinion is the games, especially the poker one, were very engaging, entertaining, and fun. I cannot think of a single thing I would do to improve them, in terms of game play, graphics, and sound. My biggest complaint, and I think that of all of us, was the raked seemed simply too high. The prizes were randomized but I'm pretty sure they are set to a 75% average of the total amount bet. I don't think we ever saw a pot more than what we put into it.
Despite the fact that we all knew we were getting horrible odds, we must have played it for about half an hour and seemed to have a great time. We all probably lost $5 to $10, which is cheaper than many other forms of gambling.
I'd like to check out the games at the Planet Hollywood next. Who is up for joining me?
Meanwhile, please visit my new page on Gamblit and let me know what you think. As always, questions, comments, and especially corrections are welcome.
I hit town at about this time, next Sunday....Quote: WizardI'd like to check out the games at the Planet Hollywood next. Who is up for joining me?
http://www.cdcgamingreports.com/golfers-can-bet-on-skills-in-tourneys-at-mgm-grands-level-up-lounge/
Quote: WizardMeanwhile, please visit my new page on Gamblit and let me know what you think. As always, questions, comments, and especially corrections are welcome.
The first paragraph you say "I first heard of gambling at the ...". That should read "I first heard of Gamblit...". You also need to add the word "they" to that same sentence to read "they were the buzz of the entire show"...
What was that 11-1 payoff for, that you zoomed in on in the video? Was that a sidebet? From that short video, I don't think I would like cannonball (much like whoever kept calling bullsh*t in that video lol).
Quote: mrsuit31\What was that 11-1 payoff for, that you zoomed in on in the video? Was that a sidebet? From that short video, I don't think I would like cannonball (much like whoever kept calling bullsh*t in that video lol).
Thanks for those corrections. I think you mean the card values, aces being worth 1 or 11. There are no side bets.
My opinion on this game is mixed. I played roughly 20 games at each location before the table disbanded. The rake, in my opinion is way too high. On most full games (4 players), the $2 game pulled anywhere from 80 cents to $2.40 per game, only once in the 20 hands was there a win at higher than the bet and that was at $9 or so. The same was true for the $3 hands. While the rake percentage is not the worst part, the speed of the games make the rake almost impossible to overcome if played at any length of time.
The game itself is quite easy to learn, however, you must have a good mathematical knowledge on the Blackbeard version as it requires counting cards and adding fast, something I am good at. I felt that my competition at both tables were so inferior that I could play for hours and make money all the way. This is why this game will be difficult to perpetuate itself. It isnt a game, as in table games whereby luck of the cards could keep the table full for hours. In this game, someone always loses and by the time the players lose the first $20, they will realize they arent the best at the table and in both instances, will quit. The "sharks" will circle the tables waiting for their prey and it seems in Vegas, there is always prey around.
