Sandybestdog
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August 21st, 2019 at 7:17:29 PM permalink
I have a personal vandetta against Borgata for $137 in frozen comps. I canít imagine how he feels. The really sad part of all of this is Borgata has gotten so much bad publicity from this yet they persist because they know nobody cares. Not one ploppy will decide not to go there because of this.
FleaStiff
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August 22nd, 2019 at 2:06:55 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

The Borgata also attempted to claim Ivey and Sun constituted a criminal partnership and sued under Rico laws
It was a bid to triple the judgement to $30 million.

Lawyers always ask for the moon on the theory that they just might get it. Most RICO filings are attempts to get a speedy trial and a better judge. Sounds good in a press release too.
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August 22nd, 2019 at 2:24:04 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

man they even had claim to his bracelet if he won the event.



It's worth money that Borgata deserves, imo. Imo, he violated NJ's "swindling" statute and should pay.
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August 22nd, 2019 at 2:55:23 AM permalink
Hopefully Ivey will smarten up and keep his winnings off the books so those ****ers at the Borgata can't go after it. Am I the only one still hoping on the chance that Borgata suddenly gets attacked by a massive earthquake, fire, tsunami, or anything else like that and it goes crashing down (with no one getting hurt, somehow)? Seems like a long shot, but that'd be a good day. The people running the show are incredibly evil and criminal and either super dumb or brilliant. Of course, it's pretty easy to get away with that kinda stuff when there are literally zero repercussions and aren't held accountable for their actions.
FleaStiff
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August 22nd, 2019 at 4:25:41 AM permalink
Dumb????
How dumb do you have to be to hire such fools who don't know about edge sorting?
Even the supervisor was dumb.
darkoz
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August 22nd, 2019 at 4:31:37 AM permalink
This whole battle is still ongoing in the courts in case u guys dont know.

https://www.uspoker.com/blog/ivey-appeal-borgata/26052/

As of march 2019 Ivey has filed to 3rd circuit court of appeals based on request to show cause for gambling statutes that were violated.

In essence they are claiming the trial judge used his judgment and NOT gambling statutes to determine Ivey marked cards (which again they contest since he never touched them)

The fact that Ivey must pay back half a mil in Craps winnings as well points to the trial judge being full of crap.

Can ANYONE please point to a NJ statute that says if a person wins thru deceptive means at one game HE ALSO HAS TO RETURN ANY WINNINGS HE GOT FROM LEGIT PLAYING???

Finally, the article states that in order to proceed with this appeal, IVEY PUT UP A 10.1 MILLION BOND.

Ivey has already handed over the cash although its being held in bond until the appeals decision

If Ivey loses again this grab by Borgata will have to be refunded/handed back.

And if Ivey wins, Borgata wi will have to hand over the money as well plus forfeit their 10 mil
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August 22nd, 2019 at 4:36:46 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

It's worth money that Borgata deserves, imo. Imo, he violated NJ's "swindling" statute and should pay.



I dont know all of the obscure laws but I am surprised you are on the side of the casino here.

Yes the bracelet is worth money but imo it should be valued more than just the gold value. If I won it, it is worth more than just the 1k or whatever it is worth.
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darkoz
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August 22nd, 2019 at 5:06:24 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I dont know all of the obscure laws but I am surprised you are on the side of the casino here.

Yes the bracelet is worth money but imo it should be valued more than just the gold value. If I won it, it is worth more than just the 1k or whatever it is worth.



Here is the swindling law in question

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-5/section-5-12-113/

Opinions are worthless.

Swindling of millions would be a first degree offense.

Point of fact Ivey has not been charged with this crime.

Anyone's opinion that edge sorting constitutes swindling is just that. An opinion and not rooted in legal fact.

Trust me, with Borgata going as hard as they have after Ivey, anyone who believes they did not charge him with swindling when they had an opportunity is ridiculous

Ivey didnt swindle. Borgata knows that and never pursued charges. End of story!
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August 22nd, 2019 at 5:24:45 AM permalink
All I can say is, for 6 years I had Borgata listed in my profile here under "favorite casino". No longer. What a cheesy move.
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August 22nd, 2019 at 9:50:57 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

All I can say is, for 6 years I had Borgata listed in my profile here under "favorite casino". No longer. What a cheesy move.

A perfect example! Their wine cellar didn't change but somehow its a bit less likely that you are going to be interested in the Borgata or impressed by it in any way. And a glass of wine from some other casino will be viewed as more of interest.

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