BobDancer
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onenickelmiracle
December 1st, 2016 at 10:49:02 PM permalink
We taped the Bob Nersesian show yesterday --- to be posted December 8

A few of the Phil Ivey suggestions here were included as questions --- as was Shack's question about the $43 Million steak dinner.

Thanks for your suggestions
LuckyPhow
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December 4th, 2016 at 10:31:33 AM permalink
This week, Phil Ivey submitted his own legal brief, denying the $15+ million damage claim by Borgata was legal or appropriate. Here's a link:

Ivey Contests Borgata Claim

Among other things, the article quotes the court ruling, which admits the game Borgata offered and Ivey played "was not authorized by the New Jersey Casino Control Act, and therefore it was null and void." But, somehow, only Ivey is to blame, not Borgata.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this all plays out.
SanchoPanza
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December 4th, 2016 at 7:05:25 PM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

Among other things, the article quotes the court ruling, which admits the game Borgata offered and Ivey played "was not authorized by the New Jersey Casino Control Act, and therefore it was null and void." But, somehow, only Ivey is to blame, not Borgata.

Well, it seems that with all the legal and semi-legal expertise hereabouts, no penalty has been reported for New Jersey casinos operating illegal games. Not really a big surprise.
WatchMeWin
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December 15th, 2016 at 2:43:46 AM permalink
Has anyone questioned the manufacturer of the cards? It is highly suspicious to me that the maker of the cards were not involved in any way. Perhaps one person who supervises the manufacturing process? When big money is involved, I would leave no stone unturned. Does anyone know if they investigated this?
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RS
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December 15th, 2016 at 3:05:04 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Has anyone questioned the manufacturer of the cards? It is highly suspicious to me that the maker of the cards were not involved in any way. Perhaps one person who supervises the manufacturing process? When big money is involved, I would leave no stone unturned. Does anyone know if they investigated this?



I'm not sure what there is to investigate, given that it was already known the manufacturer's cards had discrepancies on their backs (or rather, weren't completely even). Everyone already knew those cards were edge-sortable before this whole debacle even started.
FleaStiff
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December 15th, 2016 at 5:18:46 AM permalink
I would place the blame on the casino that purchased the cards. Saving a few pennies per deck on all those card decks they buy mounts up, I guess, but what have the legal fees been so far?

I still say its ridiculous to attribute card turning to superstition/luck issues, the employees should know basic cheating techniques and should not allow non-English speaking flunkies to make such decisions.
WatchMeWin
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December 15th, 2016 at 6:05:21 AM permalink
Are you saying that you believe some asian women just happened to spot patterns on cards that would depict the face of the cards, without any prior knowledge from an insider? Well then, I have a box of costume jewelry I would like to sell you sometime. C'mon Man! ha
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MathExtremist
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December 15th, 2016 at 7:39:46 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Are you saying that you believe some asian women just happened to spot patterns on cards that would depict the face of the cards, without any prior knowledge from an insider? Well then, I have a box of costume jewelry I would like to sell you sometime. C'mon Man! ha

Nothing about this "just happened," it was all meticulously planned. Ivey specifically requested the brand and color and back pattern of cards to be used and the casino agreed. There was no inside action by the casino, just Ivey's knowledge that his friend could edge sort that particular Gemaco card back pattern. I believe Gemaco was a named defendant originally but I think that part of the case was dropped.
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WatchMeWin
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December 15th, 2016 at 9:18:31 AM permalink
I understand that it was all meticulously planned out by the defendants, Phil and Asian woman. I know how it all went down. I was being sarcastic when I said that 'the asian women just happened to spot the patterns on cards'. The actually requests and play was absolutely planned to beat the casino.... what Im saying is that I fully believe that someone from Gemaco (insider) was tipping off the asian women in what to look for in the cards and how to spot it. Just my belief, but Im sure we will never know the full truth.

Always remember... money does funny things to people! When large amounts are at stake, anything is possible.
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MrV
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December 15th, 2016 at 9:34:31 AM permalink
Phil's a gambling man who just lost the biggest play of his career.

He's a big boy, he knew the risks involved.
"What, me worry?"

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