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teddys
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September 3rd, 2010 at 7:55:08 AM permalink
I am the only one so far to vote that Harrah's will start paying even money on blackjacks. Maybe they will start giving out 1:1 and a piece of candy, or the dealer does a little dance when you get a snapper -- it certainly wouldn't suprise me, and their customers will probably think it's fun. (Harrah's is the PARTY casino!!) Harrah's has been at the leading edge of bilking the customer for years -- if you look at their hold percentages in Atlantic City (the only jurisdiction that breaks down revenue), their table game percentages have been steadily increasing for month after month. Their desired house edge on tables is around 5%. Harrah's Resort AC is the best example of this -- tons of 3-card with the 7% H.E. Pair Plus payout, only ONE Spanish 21 table with the good rules, all H17 BJ, and only ONE pai gow tiles table (all other casinos have at least two).
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Somebody is going to have to take these MF's on, and it is going to have to be a coordinated advertising campaign, as someone suggested. If Harrah's can trumpet their "no resort fees," another casino can publicize all 3:2 blackjack. I don't think the Venetian will do this, because they don't want to seem cheap/publican, but I can definitely see Boyd or Palms doing it. Perhaps a billboard with a photo of the Wizard giving a thumbs-up and a grin saying, "The Palms has the best blackjack in Las Vegas!"
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BigTip
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September 3rd, 2010 at 8:11:15 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

I am the only one so far to vote that Harrah's will start paying even money on blackjacks.



I think this is a given too. I wanted to vote for both things, but I figured that was a sardonic question included for humor's sake.

1:1 has been used in party pits already, has it not? I'm pretty sure I saw it at the bikini pit in front of that club at Rio. That's how the 6/5 double deck started. The ploppies are paying for "entertainment" without a problem and some suit decides to give it a shot at a regular pit. "Wow! Look at those idiots. They're STILL playing. Let's try 6/5 in an eight deck shoe now."

And that's why I saw an eight deck shoe game paying 6/5 at Bill's. Incredible.
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September 3rd, 2010 at 8:56:56 AM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

Well, yeah, but those (Venetian) tables are $100 minimum or something like that.



The Venetian has 3-2 blackjack at a $15 minimum. The full rules are 8 decks, dealer hits soft 17, double after split, surrender allowed, re-splitting aces allowed. House edge of 0.57%.
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NicksGamingStuff
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September 3rd, 2010 at 10:17:13 AM permalink
regarding high minimums I saw a Pai Gow Tiles game @ the palazzo, it had maybe one empty seat, $500 minimum! Harrah's and Paris have pai gow tiles for $15 now, MGM was $25.
thecesspit
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September 3rd, 2010 at 10:19:20 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I think there could be a Single Zero Wheel and a Double Zero Wheel five feet distant from each other... and players would not even notice much less care.
One man from the UK came to risk his entire life's savings on one spin of a roulette wheel. The table was roped off, the event was filmed, the man's friends were with him but behind the ropes. A casino executive came out and made an on-camera speech about normally we would not allow this but since you are determined to risk your entire life's savings blah, blah, blah. Then the spin was done.. and the man did actually win though it was fairly apparent he didn't quite know how to play roulette. Of course this was a double zero wheel but he probably didn't even know what that meant.



He had played poker and roulette, and he asked to play a single-zero or fair wheel with blocked off zero's. The casino said either this wheel or we don't let you film it. His spin was 'only' around $135,000, but he hit his red 7 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Revell

In the UK we only have single zero wheels, and having watched the show, he certainly knew the odds. He was almost certainly getting a nice fee from the TV channel, so I didn't worry too much about him selling all his clothes and possessions for the bet.
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SolidAU
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September 3rd, 2010 at 10:51:17 AM permalink
I don't understand why people hold such disdain for people who play games poorly or who don't care about the odds. If someone is having a good time, why is it anyone's business how they choose to spend their time and money? Do you tell the guy who spends $300 on a bottle of wine at a restaurant that he could have bought it for $60 from a wholesaler?

Not to mention that it's bad players who subsidize good games and good promotions that make it possible to find player friendly opportunities.
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September 3rd, 2010 at 11:05:47 AM permalink
Quote: SolidAU

Do you tell the guy who spends $300 on a bottle of wine at a restaurant that he could have bought it for $60 from a wholesaler?



It depends. If he wants that wine to go with that meal, then no. If he just wants that wine, then yes.
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mkl654321
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September 3rd, 2010 at 11:19:55 AM permalink
Quote: SolidAU

I don't understand why people hold such disdain for people who play games poorly or who don't care about the odds. If someone is having a good time, why is it anyone's business how they choose to spend their time and money? Do you tell the guy who spends $300 on a bottle of wine at a restaurant that he could have bought it for $60 from a wholesaler?

Not to mention that it's bad players who subsidize good games and good promotions that make it possible to find player friendly opportunities.



I suppose it's because it takes so little time and effort to learn to play casino games decently, and to select the best games. Particularly, if you're either a skiller amateur gambler or an advantage player, you realize that these people are throwing their money away for no good reason at all--they aren't getting anything in return (NOTE: I am NOT reopening the "entertainment value" debate--what I mean is that they are suffering a worse house advantage than they need to). And yes, that does breed contempt if you, yourself, spend that time and effort seeking out the best ganbling value for your money.

I do agree that the presence of the mentally lazy and the mentally deficient in the casino helps to create opportunities for the rest of us. However, this is one of the very few life's venues where the presence of idiots is a GOOD thing. On balance, I'd rather colonize one of the outer planets with all of those idiots (setting their spaceship to self-destruct on landing, of course) than put up with them in day-to-day life.

Also, an idiot can't help being an idiot, so the specimen I hold in special contempt is the person who HAS a brain but refuses to USE it. For some reason, millions of people think that when they go into a casino, it's a good idea to leave their brains in the glove compartment--probably because they're going to have FUUUUUUUUUUN, and to them, fun and thinking are antithetical.

You may infer from the above that I do not suffer fools gladly (I probably should never turn on the TV or pick up a newspaper). And yes, by the way, the guy who pays $240 too much for the bottle of wine is deserving of contempt as well. The difference in value between drinking the bottle of wine and drinking it in a swanky (read: overpriced and pretentious) restaurant would only be $240 for someone who doesn't care about money. Someone who works at McD's or Wal-Mart would feel particularly appalled at this, since the wine boob just threw away a week's worth of their wages on AMBIANCE. Feh!
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nyuhoosier
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September 3rd, 2010 at 11:47:31 AM permalink
I meant to say that the $1 blackjack game at the Sahara pays even money, plus you receive a $1 voucher for free machine play for every blackjack. So it's something close to a 2:1 game if you play for $1/hand, although you obviously won't get all your money back from the free machine play.

For me, a $1 blackjack game doesn't hold much excitement. But just how positive is this game? I can see how an extremely low roller would enjoy knowing he's playing the best game in town for his money.

On another note, there is a newish game in Vegas that's perfect for people who normally play at $2-$10 a hand, but refuse to play 6-5 blackjack. If you fall into that category, you should definitely check it out. It's a simulated game with a virtual dealer where you sit on stools facing a video screen. The rules and the action are the same, but you're pressing buttons rather than handling cards. These are the places where I've seen it in the 6-deck, 3-2 variety:

-- Westin
-- Riviera
-- Gold Spike (min. only $1/hand)
-- Las Vegas Club
-- Laughlin
DJTeddyBear
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September 3rd, 2010 at 12:16:40 PM permalink
Sahara also has those table game machines. I saw them there last year.

There's another advantage to playing 1:1 for $1 - Split tens, or double down on BJ. Sure, the odds are terrible, but for a buck, it's a lot of fun to see the reactions...particularly if ya get lucky!
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