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Tiltpoul
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September 2nd, 2010 at 11:12:54 PM permalink
There have been more and more casinos that are moving away from BJ tables to adding poker-based table games, because as they put it, it's what the players want. To a degree they are right, but at some of the midwest casinos especially, the feeling in the pit is that there are no longer enough BJ tables to satisfy the masses. This drives table mins up higher and higher, so a new West Virginia casino an hour away from Washington D.C. can offer $50 min tables across the entire floor. Even up in Chicago you will be hard pressed to find a table min less than $15 on a weekend evening.

That being said, what difference does it make if BJ gets paid 6:5 to the casino? Many players don't complain vocally, pit staff and dealers are looking out for their own jobs, and the operators are looking at the bottom line. Luckilly, the 6:5 BJ tables that surfaced in the midwest (namely Kansas City) bombed on 6-deck tables. They still offer Single deck 6:5, but Double-deck is still 3:2 most everywhere.

There is nowhere like Vegas, as far as spectacles, shopping, restaurants, nightlife and hotels all wrapped into one package. Unfortunately, when gamblers across the country (and it is soon going to be offered in every state I'm sure) can play better games at their home casinos, Vegas loses its appeal as a gambling destination. Sure it's fun to gamble in Vegas; I did plenty in February. But I rarely played BJ, and especially not at Harrah's casinos.

I really don't have an answer to the poll question. Part of me says 6:5 will become the norm, and part of me says Vegas will wise up and get rid of it, for the reasons stated above.
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appistappis
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September 2nd, 2010 at 11:22:52 PM permalink
I always wonder why north american players all bitch about 6:5 over 3:2 but gladly play 00 roulette when 0 should be played.
mkl654321
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September 2nd, 2010 at 11:40:41 PM permalink
Quote: appistappis

I always wonder why north american players all bitch about 6:5 over 3:2 but gladly play 00 roulette when 0 should be played.



If you had spent any time in North America, you would know that there are about three single-zero roulette wheels on the entire continent. As far as "bitching" or "gladly playing", though, roulette isn't a very popular game in America; the houae edge is prohibitive because of the double zero, but it's also a pretty mindless game.
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FleaStiff
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September 3rd, 2010 at 3:25:18 AM permalink
There is a difference between The Steak and The Sizzle.
Restaurants and Casinos have to sell each item, but its a matter of degree and emphasis.

Even though most of us would prefer fine food to an emphasis on ambiance, some restaurants go for the ambiance.

Casinos were perfectly able to sell 6:5 Blackjack, they even put it in two-foot high letters on their marquee! Customers will play what is offered. Many of those customers will be ignorant. Some will grumble. A very few of them will vote with their feet and find a casino that still offers 3:2 blackjack. Overall, a casino can easily "sell" its 6:5 games to the public.

Yes, Sahara has a number of these one dollar offerings: Dollar Shot and Glass; Dollar Hot Dog; Dollar Blackjack. Anyone going to various Party Pits knows that they are paying for those skimpy uniforms and pole dancing. I guess most who go to Party Pits don't really care much about 6:5 or 3:2. Heck, they don't really care about 21, they care more about 38. Whatever you say about the 6:5 or 1:1 payouts in the party pit its obvious there is a market for it.

Is there a market for 3:2? Of course. Even a Sweat The Money grind-joint such as South Point can pride itself on only 3:2 with nary a 6:5 anywhere in sight. South Point is not closing its doors or shutting down its BlackJack tables!

Vegas will gripe about low profitability of its tables, but if casinos really and truly had to offer decent 3:2 payouts ... they could do it. They simply don't want to because it is sufficiently profitable to lose a teensy few dedicated blackjack players but keep the 6:5 tables and keep the advertising programs that bray about such games.
DJTeddyBear
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September 3rd, 2010 at 5:08:23 AM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

If you had spent any time in North America, you would know that there are about three single-zero roulette wheels on the entire continent....

I think you need to get out more. There ARE single zero tables. Not a lot, but they are out there - and NOT only in the high limit room.
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BigTip
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September 3rd, 2010 at 6:54:58 AM permalink
I am just saying that we gamblers have to be realistic in our expectations. To further the restaurant analogy, you can't be upset with Big Boy Hamburgers for charging $7 for a burger now, even though "the burgers use to sell for $3 and they made money off of them at that price didn't they?" Sure I want to be able to still buy a $3 burger. Lots of people would flock to a place that sold a good $3 burger, but the restaurant can't make money doing it, regardless of volume.
FleaStiff
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September 3rd, 2010 at 7:11:17 AM permalink
Quote: BigTip

I am just saying that we gamblers have to be realistic in our expectations.

True. Though realism goes both ways. We know when we order from the Dollar Menu at a fast food joint that we are aiding the franchiser to force that franchisee to provide an item on which he makes an insufficient profit, yet we take advantage of what is a bargain to us. We know when we ride on a really supercheap ticket that the airline can not really fly us safely at that price, but we do it anyway and trust to our luck. So sure, we don't really think that the price of a bet on the PassLine should be immune from inflation, but that doesn't stop us from wanting to take advantage of the low prices that we want to be available and that are in fact available in some struggling casinos.

Realistically, the casinos made a mistake in going after the lower ends of the market, but as long as there is no requirement that we arrive in Top Hat and Tails and wearing white gloves, we are not going to do so. If casinos are desperate enough to offer low minimums sometimes we are going to try to force them to stretch it a bit.
FleaStiff
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September 3rd, 2010 at 7:17:05 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

There ARE single zero tables. Not a lot, but they are out there -

I think there could be a Single Zero Wheel and a Double Zero Wheel five feet distant from each other... and players would not even notice much less care.
One man from the UK came to risk his entire life's savings on one spin of a roulette wheel. The table was roped off, the event was filmed, the man's friends were with him but behind the ropes. A casino executive came out and made an on-camera speech about normally we would not allow this but since you are determined to risk your entire life's savings blah, blah, blah. Then the spin was done.. and the man did actually win though it was fairly apparent he didn't quite know how to play roulette. Of course this was a double zero wheel but he probably didn't even know what that meant.
DJTeddyBear
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September 3rd, 2010 at 7:24:20 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I think there could be a Single Zero Wheel and a Double Zero Wheel five feet distant from each other... and players would not even notice much less care.

You're absolutely right, of course, but I just wanted to point out that they ARE out there.
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BigTip
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September 3rd, 2010 at 7:55:05 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I think there could be a Single Zero Wheel and a Double Zero Wheel five feet distant from each other... and players would not even notice much less care.
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This is a given.

I was playing blackjack at Monte Carlo on a $10 S17 table that was right next to a $10 H17 table. My table had three players. The bad table was full. I looked at the dealer and said, "Does this not amaze you?" She said, "There are a lot of stupid people in this world." I laughed pretty hard at that.

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