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cclub79
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August 25th, 2010 at 5:04:24 AM permalink
Spinning off a separate thread, I wanted to see if others had my reaction to the claim that you will be backed off if you set the dice, bet more when you roll, and win. In my experience, I have never been backed off or threatened, only congratulated by the box and the pit. So, IN YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE: "What happens when you are a dice setter, increase your bet, and hit 4 or 5 points?"
DeMango
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August 25th, 2010 at 7:11:09 AM permalink
Is there a point to braggadocio? Why can't you let sleeping dogs lie? There is absolutely no upside to this debate unless you are a "coach" that needs paying students.
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Wizard
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August 25th, 2010 at 7:27:35 AM permalink
I see obvious dice setters at the Red Rock often, and the dealers don't seem to mind at all. Personally, I bet the don't against them, which should show my level of faith in so-called skilled shooters. The only things that I've noticed craps dealers do care about are: (1) dice should hit the back wall, and (2) no dice setting in tubs.
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rdw4potus
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August 25th, 2010 at 7:31:00 AM permalink
I've never understood it, but dice setters seem to be treated more like system betters than card counters. The house encourages the behavior.
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Nareed
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August 25th, 2010 at 7:35:19 AM permalink
I've seen plenty of dice setting and no heat from any dealer, At rapid craps, though, I nearly took the dice off the table, and then a dealer did tell me to keep them inside. I get the same at card games when I lean too far back on my seat while holding cards.

About the back wall, twice in rapid craps I saw shooters throw dice, once each, that landed nowhere near the wall. Both times the dealer let the shots stand, but told the player to hit the wall next shoot. All in a very nice and friendly manner, too.
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Wizard
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August 25th, 2010 at 7:36:04 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

I've never understood it, but dice setters seem to be treated more like system betters than card counters. The house encourages the behavior.



If I ran a casino I'd welcome both types too.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
Doc
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August 25th, 2010 at 8:37:31 AM permalink
I have stated before that I do not believe in dice control but that I set the dice the exact same way every throw because it amuses me -- I am there for the entertainment, so I think I should look for it anywhere I might find it.

The closest thing to heat I have ever gotten is repeated admonition to hit the back wall. It seems I have a wimpy throw that doesn't always make it, even though I throw in the air at least 2/3 the length of the table. I don't think I have ever had a short throw called a no roll.

On my recent trip through Mississippi, I had recurring problems getting the dice to go straight. On one table, every throw I made bounced to the left, no matter how hard or how lofted I threw. I was throwing from the very end, from the stick man's left, and twice when I threw the dice in the air to the "Come" label at the other end, they bounced into the air straight left and hit the base dealer in the chest. I never understood that. I complained about the table every time they complained about my not hitting the end wall, but I think they understood that I was joshing.

Probably they never give me heat because it is obvious that my throws are inconsistent and that most folks lose money when I am shooting. When the dice first come to me, I usually recommend the Don't to my fellow players.

Edit: I didn't vote. On those occasions when I do hit several points, the dealers' response is more likely to be either "Thanks" for the dealer bets I have been making, or mocking some other player that they know who has not been able to hit points that day. On some thread around here I reported that in Indiana last month I had been shooting so poorly that I started making my dealer bets on the Don't side, just so one of us could be happy with the results. That time I hit seven points toward their Sharpshooter bet, and the dealers started joking with one of their regulars that I had bested his record roll for the day. At least I had been making and hitting hardway bets for the dealers when I had an even-numbered point, so they came out OK even though the Don'ts were losing.
Garnabby
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August 25th, 2010 at 9:54:37 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

I have stated before that I do not believe in dice control but that I set the dice the exact same way every throw because it amuses me -- I am there for the entertainment, so I think I should look for it anywhere I might find it.



Any pt or frame -of-reference, esp'ly when and where luck is involved, is a healthy thing. (Not including superstitions, unless those are of the sorts which eventually blossom into substantial pursuits.)
Why bet at all, if you can be sure? Anyway, what constitutes a "good bet"? - The best slots-game in town; a sucker's edge; or some gray-area blackjack-stunts? (P.S. God doesn't even have to exist to be God.)
cclub79
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August 25th, 2010 at 2:28:41 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Is there a point to braggadocio? Why can't you let sleeping dogs lie? There is absolutely no upside to this debate unless you are a "coach" that needs paying students.



I don't understand your assertion. I'm not debating the merits, merely asking if people have been backed off for doing it. Sheesh.
CrappedOut
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August 25th, 2010 at 4:11:49 PM permalink
I've not been told "no more craps," but I have had rude experiences from setting the dice and then not slinging them like a drunk. Most particularly at Treasure Island. I took their money, and when they started complaining, I didn't tip them either. Screw them if they're going to berate me for not trying to lose.

And I am definitely a George.

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