Can Roulette Be Beaten?
and does so with malicious intent.
And the vehicle by which he gets it done is his deceitful roulette scam thread.
Sometimes when you get treated like s... or punched in the mouth you deserve it.
gordon. My most recenT post did directly address a question in the original post. It did not analyse or a gue about the personal characteristics of a member. I conciously avoided doing so in spite of the question absolutely inviting such analysis. I simply answered that there are centuries of reality one side of the question and EBs unsubstantiated claim on the other. Readers can do their own analysis beyond that.Quote: gordonm888I am not suspending anyone for these posts so far, but I observe that these posts are mostly remarks about EB as a person. What I find regrettable is that all of you adults want to analyze the personality, social media career and cognitive function of another forum member, over and over again; repetition without end. There is very little or zero of what is being written that is new. This is simply a flash mob-style campaign to shame EB and make him feel bad about who he is as a person.
Every person who persists in analyzing and arguing about the personal characteristics of other members in this forum ought to consider whether there is something more important to do with your time. Because, IMO, you are wasting it. Just saying . . .
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This is NOT a campaign to shame any one. Some people can shame themselves unaided.
the site blackjacktheforum.com has a "Disadvantage Forum" where "voodoo, progressions, faulty math, etc." are moved to and highlighted in yellow
this is my suggestion for the best way to handle the "Can Roulette be Beaten" thread and similar threads
to create a similar type of section - it could have a different name
this is what their "Disadvantage Forum" looks like:
https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/forumdisplay.php?27-The-Disadvantage-Forum
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Quote: gordonm888I am not suspending anyone for these posts so far, but I observe that these posts are mostly remarks about EB as a person. What I find regrettable is that all of you adults want to analyze the personality, social media career and cognitive function of another forum member, over and over again; repetition without end. There is very little or zero of what is being written that is new. This is simply a flash mob-style campaign to shame EB and make him feel bad about who he is as a person.
Every person who persists in analyzing and arguing about the personal characteristics of other members in this forum ought to consider whether there is something more important to do with your time. Because, IMO, you are wasting it. Just saying . . .
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You might want to stop and ask yourself WHY EvenBob is being treated the way he is. Why no one else? Why only EB? Do you think we all secretly got together and decided to randomly attack one specific person for no reason?
Quote: SOOPOONice post OD. I’ve tried to figure out my motivation for calling out the silly claim that someone is routinely beating roulette without bonuses, loss rebates, biased wheels, etc…. The answer is I feel like, at least occasionally, someone comes to the site looking for information and/or advice. I cringe at the thought that someone could read his posts and think there is a shred of validity to his claims, and then ACT upon those claims. So I periodically will post how absurd his claims are. Not for you or me or Bob to read. But for someone who comes to WoV looking for advice/information JUST LIKE I DID a decade or so ago.
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You're right, and this was brought up multiple times in the other Roulette thread but nothing was ever done about it. EB is singlehandedly tarnishing the reputation of this site and the Wizard himself. It's mindboggling that he is allowed to continue his antics. I just don't understand why he is getting the special treatment he is, other than an occasional "token suspension" every now and then.
Furthermore, why is this thread even still open? EB has repeatedly said he refuses to even talk about his "system" anymore, or answer questions, or offer any sort of proof or evidence.
Quote: TigerWu. It's mindboggling that he is allowed to continue his antics.
At the end of the day the owners of this forum want eyes watching this forum, and EB's posts almost always engender a response.
It is terribly difficult to resist eyeballing a train wreck, a bus full of tourists careening off of a cliff, or a two-headed calf.
The Wizard has openly debunked systems and yet was willing to give EB a chance to show what he has.
I'd say that's open minded at best, may be the Wizards method for openly debunking system players at worst.
The real problem with this thread is EB using it to antagonize by just saying he doesn't have to prove his claims, just believe he is better than the experts, he finds it supremely easy to beat and we all just have to trust.
Honestly I think this forum would not be so upset if EB had taken the challenge of Wizard and shown his math/system etc and the Wizard could say nope, doesn't work in the end or whatever.
It's the "I got something you want on my pocket and I am not showing it to you" attitude that makes this thread hostile.
Quote: TigerWu
Furthermore, why is this thread even still open? EB has repeatedly said he refuses to even talk about his "system" anymore, or answer questions, or offer any sort of proof or evidence.
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Wrong. I never said any of that in fact I say ask me questions all the time. I'm saying it now, ask me anything you want about what I do but you won't because you don't have any questions because you don't know what you're doing. I say this constantly do you even read what I write? This thread is still here because it's interesting and I started it in 2010, you want to make a thread disappear? All you have to do is block it and you never have to see it again. I block threads constantly.
Quote: darkoz
The real problem with this thread is EB using it to antagonize by just saying he doesn't have to prove his claims,
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I've been thinking that I could post the results from online casinos if I was betting the minimum amount because what difference does the amount make as long as I'm winning to prove a point. The problem is I would have to stop playing for real money because I don't want my real bets mixed in with the minimum bets. And how long would it take, I sometimes only make one bet per Casino per day and I have a feeling even if I do do this, take all the time and effort and loss of profit to do this just to prove a point, half the people are going to say that I faked it somehow.
Quote: darkozThis forum has a section for system betting and it's gambling related so I understand why this thread is allowed.
it's not that the thread shouldn't be allowed
and it's not about the fact that it's some kind of system betting
system betting is a perfectly legitimate topic if its understood that it doesn't comprise a winning system
referring to common money management and bet selection systems
the Wizard himself explains a great many systems in his Wizard of Odds forum
imho IT SHOULD BE PLACED ELSEWHERE IN A SEPARATE SECTION AND APPORPRIATELY LABELLED when the poster is making claims of winning that fly in the face of the Wizard's excellent advice and everything else that is well known and accepted by all gambling experts everywhere
he's never going to prove this
everybody knows this
when challenged he backs down and gives various reasons
who cares anymore what his reasons are or what he now says he will do_______?
if he actually could prove it it would be perhaps the greatest feat in the history of gambling
who is going to believe that little EB is capable of that_________?
his thread is an insult to anybody with a modicum of intelligence who cares about the product being put out here
this thread is an exercise in futility
it was started believe it or not more than 13 years ago
in that time EB has proved absolutely nothing
all he has done is flapped his gums about how great he is
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Quote: MDawgD.Oz, I have not followed any of this closely or even at all for periods of time, but why not propose another DarkOz Challenge such as you did with me? It seems that you played a lot of roulette in your day.
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Because I suspected you actually had a working method.
No point in challenging EB.
Besides he already backed out of a challenge with the Wizard.
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he's never going to prove this
everybody knows this
when challenged he backs down and gives various reasons
who cares anymore what his reasons are or what he now says he will do_______?
if he actually could prove it it would be perhaps the greatest feat in the history of gambling
Did you miss my last post? If I did such a thing as I suggest in that post would that be enough to get you to shut up about it? Would that prove anything to you?
Quote: lilredrooster
he's never going to prove this
everybody knows this
when challenged he backs down and gives various reasons
who cares anymore what his reasons are or what he now says he will do_______?
if he actually could prove it it would be perhaps the greatest feat in the history of gambling
who is going to believe that little EB is capable of that_________?
his thread is an insult to anybody with a modicum of intelligence who cares about the product being put out here
this thread is an exercise in futility
it was started believe it or not more than 13 years ago
in that time EB has proved absolutely nothing
all he has done is flapped his gums about how great he is
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Quote: Del AmitriAnd nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all
The needle returns to the start of the song
And we all sing along like before.
Quote: EvenBobI'm saying it now, ask me anything you want about what I do but you won't because you don't have any questions because you don't know what you're doing.
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Quote: EvenBobWhy do they say roulette can't be beaten, when my friend and others, I'm sure, are beating it every day.
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So I'll ask a question. Maybe EB will answer it/
Why do YOU say you are beating it every day, When they say roulette can't be beaten?
This isn't asking how you beat it or whether you beat it. It's asking why you say you beat it?
For our benefit? If so when did we benefit?
For kudos? Because I see you given no kudos?
For amusement?
Boasting?
Seeking something? some knowledge?
Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkoz
The real problem with this thread is EB using it to antagonize by just saying he doesn't have to prove his claims,
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I've been thinking that I could post the results from online casinos if I was betting the minimum amount because what difference does the amount make as long as I'm winning to prove a point. The problem is I would have to stop playing for real money because I don't want my real bets mixed in with the minimum bets. And how long would it take, I sometimes only make one bet per Casino per day and I have a feeling even if I do do this, take all the time and effort and loss of profit to do this just to prove a point, half the people are going to say that I faked it somehow.
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1)How would this work, can you elaborate on how this would work?
You can't just post up results and have us believe they are accurate.
2)You already have casino records why not use what you already have(Show them to Mike)?
3)Assuming you want to start fresh, what's the point in stopping what you are doing...why not just do what you are already doing and use those results?
There are ways to ensure it's not been faked or cherry-picked.
How long would it take to show proof depends on what hit rate/percentage you are claiming and over how many bets.
Guessing 8 out of 10 coin flips correctly is meaningless, even 10 out of 10 is meaningless.
Predicting you can guess 40 out of 50, now that's something.
Whatever the case, you would need to predefine what you are attempting to prove, set parameters and then stick by them. If not, it's a failure. Cutting bait when things don't go your way or prematurely claiming victory is what touts, freerollers, BS'ers and system sellers do.
You've been reading, but you haven't been psychoanalyzing. I don't have time to explain now, but it's become fairly clear to me why. I'll get to that later.Quote: OnceDearQuote: EvenBobI'm saying it now, ask me anything you want about what I do but you won't because you don't have any questions because you don't know what you're doing.
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So I'll ask a question. Maybe EB will answer it/
Why do YOU say you are beating it every day,
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and keep the charade going.
do is get together behind the scenes with a few of your friends
agree to take opposing sides and sling mud at each other in here until it gets
shut down.
Quote: rainmanBy the way if anyone is interested in shutting down this thread all you
do is get together behind the scenes with a few of your friends
agree to take opposing sides and sling mud at each other in here until it gets
shut down.
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Nonsense. That won't work at all.
Quote: AxelWolfYou've been reading, but you haven't been psychoanalyzing. I don't have time to explain now, but it's become fairly clear to me why. I'll get to that later.
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Au contraire. Psyche is the only thing worth analysing in this sad thread. I already stated my assessment. You and I probably already have the same understanding.
if sports books ever decided to make a line on whether or not EB can prove he can beat roulette it would pay out like the Powerball Lottery
at the very least $1 million for a $1.00 bet if he proved he could do it
more likely $5 million_____________________________(-:\
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Quote: lilredrooster.
if sports books ever decided to make a line on whether or not EB can prove he can beat roulette it would pay out like the Powerball Lottery
at the very least $1 million for a $1.00 bet if he proved he could do it
more likely $5 million_____________________________(-:\
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First, the event would have to go ahead. Not going to happen.
Quote: AxelWolf
1)How would this work, can you elaborate on how this would work? \
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Depends on what you want me to prove. If you want me to show that I win more than I lose playing roulette, that's easy. If you want me to show I win one unit per session that will take a lot longer and it will seriously cut into me playing for real money. I don't post the current casino records because it shows exactly what I do, exactly what my bets are, and that's nobody's business. If I'm making minimum bets like 10 cents and 20 cents and 50 cents I don't care. So you tell me, what is it I'm supposed to be proving and we'll go from there. We're talking about winning units what difference does it make how big the units are, a 10-cent unit is just as hard to win as a $1,000 unit.
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Depends on what you want me to prove. If you want me to show that I win more than I lose playing roulette, that's easy. If you want me to show I win one unit per session that will take a lot longer and it will seriously cut into me playing for real money. I don't post the current casino records because it shows exactly what I do, exactly what my bets are, and that's nobody's business. If I'm making minimum bets like 10 cents and 20 cents and 50 cents I don't care. So you tell me, what is it I'm supposed to be proving and we'll go from there. We're talking about winning units what difference does it make how big the units are, a 10-cent unit is just as hard to win as a $1,000 unit.
what a bunch of laughable crap
he can't prove anything
he was implying BTC would implode and become worthless in 2013 if you look in to the Bitcoin thread -
this is a man who thinks he is much smarter than he really is
his posts are pathetic
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Quote: lilredrooster
what a bunch of laughable crap
he can't prove anything
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Posts like this illustrate my point perfectly. People scream at me constantly, prove it prove it prove it. Then when I offer to prove it they say, he can't prove anything, it's laughable, his posts are pathetic. Because they really don't want me to prove it because once I do they won't have anything to complain about anymore. And it will show that I've been right all along and they've been wrong and that's the last thing they want. So keeping it in limbo is right where they want it but I'm tired of limbo so now I'm going to prove it.
Try and stop me.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: lilredrooster
what a bunch of laughable crap
he can't prove anything
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Posts like this illustrate my point perfectly. People scream at me constantly, prove it prove it prove it. Then when I offer to prove it they say, he can't prove anything, it's laughable, his posts are pathetic. Because they really don't want me to prove it because once I do they won't have anything to complain about anymore. And it will show that I've been right all along and they've been wrong and that's the last thing they want. So keeping it in limbo is right where they want it but I'm tired of limbo so now I'm going to prove it.
Try and stop me.
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Lol, it's hard enough getting you started!
"First thing is, you need a rabbit's foot. From a dead rabbit, not a live one; then cook the remainder of the coney for dinner, and garnish with turnips."
"Next, empty a tube of Testor's model glue in a paper bag and huff it for ten minutes."
"Finally, while in your drug-addled dream state, make your move."
Easy-peasy
Stop, just Stop. My next quote is all that matters....Quote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBob
Depends on what you want me to prove. If you want me to show that I win more than I lose playing roulette, that's easy. If you want me to show I win one unit per session that will take a lot longer and it will seriously cut into me playing for real money. I don't post the current casino records because it shows exactly what I do, exactly what my bets are, and that's nobody's business. If I'm making minimum bets like 10 cents and 20 cents and 50 cents I don't care. So you tell me, what is it I'm supposed to be proving and we'll go from there. We're talking about winning units what difference does it make how big the units are, a 10-cent unit is just as hard to win as a $1,000 unit.
what a bunch of laughable crap
he can't prove anything
he was implying BTC would implode and become worthless in 2013 if you look in to the Bitcoin thread -
this is a man who thinks he is much smarter than he really is
his posts are pathetic
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Quote: AxelWolf[My next quote is all that matters....
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All that matters is you want this done or don't you. If you want it done tell me what you want me to prove. If you want me to prove that I beat roulette more often than I don't, I can do that. If you want me to prove my more sophisticated method that's a totally different story because there I run into the same problems I ran into with Mike. Make up your mind, do you want me to prove it or don't you. Because isn't the question whether I beat roulette, isn't that what I'm constantly accused of not doing?
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf[My next quote is all that matters....
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All that matters is you want this done or don't you. If you want it done tell me what you want me to prove. If you want me to prove that I beat roulette more often than I don't, I can do that. If you want me to prove my more sophisticated method that's a totally different story because there I run into the same problems I ran into with Mike. Make up your mind, do you want me to prove it or don't you. Because isn't the question whether I beat roulette, isn't that what I'm constantly accused of not doing?
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You will provide nothing that proves long term success mathematically or monetarily.
This is the part where if he says yes prove it you jerk him around for the next year
and if he says no you say you offered to prove it and this charade continues.
Your house of cards is crumbling soon everyone will stop playing your little game
and or you will get Perma banned.
Quote: rainman
You will provide nothing that proves long term success mathematically or monetarily.
This is the part where if he says yes prove it you jerk him around for the next year
and if he says no you say you offered to prove it and this charade continues.
Your house of cards is crumbling soon everyone will stop playing your little game
and or you will get Perma banned.
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Just another meaningless post to pad your postcount. Isn't that what you're always accusing me of? LOL
Quote: EvenBobQuote: rainman
You will provide nothing that proves long term success mathematically or monetarily.
This is the part where if he says yes prove it you jerk him around for the next year
and if he says no you say you offered to prove it and this charade continues.
Your house of cards is crumbling soon everyone will stop playing your little game
and or you will get Perma banned.
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Just another meaningless post to pad your postcount. Isn't that what you're always accusing me of? LOL
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It's certainly a meaningless post, but the post count aspect you state is more of your nonsense.
Look at our join dates & post counts. Good grief sir you really do hate truth and math don't you
LOL.
Quote: rainman
It's certainly a meaningless post, but the post count aspect you state is more of your nonsense.
Look at our join dates & post counts. Good grief sir you really do hate truth and math don't you
LOL.
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It's worse than that. In the last 13 years I've gone for months and months at various times without posting anything. At one time I didn't post for over a year and a half and I still have by far the most posts. In my first five years here is where most of them came from. Back when you could talk about religion and politics. Since they got rid of those I really lost interest in most of the threads here. If you go back and look in the first two years I was here I started over 200 threads and at two and a half years I had over 10,000 posts. But that was over 10 years ago, things have slowed down tremendously since then.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: lilredrooster
what a bunch of laughable crap
he can't prove anything
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And it will show that I've been right all along and they've been wrong and that's the last thing they want. So keeping it in limbo is right where they want it but I'm tired of limbo so now I'm going to prove it.
Try and stop me.
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OK EvenBob.
It strikes me that if you have done something incredible, every day for the last several decades, then YOU don't need to ask us any questions. You don't need to define what it is you must prove. You simply need to show us evidence of what you have done. If you show some sort of historical bankroll record, cashout record, game outcome record, that covers a statistically meaningful period, just so it's obviously not cherry picked, that would do it.
You say that if you show us certain results, that would show us exactly what you do, then I'd like to know what that means. I cannot see how it would reveal your method, since you already claimed that your method is all about pattern recognition that you do in your head.
So Evenbob. Show us SOMETHING remarkable. Something that will make us gasp. Something that proves even one line of text from one of your thousands of posts.
Ideally, show us that you win every session over a meaningful number of sessions. If you can't do that without asking us to define 'win' or 'meaningful' or 'session' or 'show', then tell us your definition or tell us what you want us to try and stop you doing.
You said multiples times we can ask you questions about your system and you would answer. I just asked 3 questions and didn't really get any answers.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf[My next quote is all that matters....
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All that matters is you want this done or don't you. If you want it done tell me what you want me to prove. If you want me to prove that I beat roulette more often than I don't, I can do that. If you want me to prove my more sophisticated method that's a totally different story because there I run into the same problems I ran into with Mike. Make up your mind, do you want me to prove it or don't you. Because isn't the question whether I beat roulette, isn't that what I'm constantly accused of not doing?
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Let's start off fresh with one question at a time.
Before the challenge, you were claiming an 80% hit rate. You said you would lower that for the convenience of a speedy challenge. Let's disregard a speedy challenge, let's assume you are trying to make the least number of bets with the highest win/hit rate.
Question: Bob, when you do actually make a bet on roulette what is your hit rate( how often do you win that bet on average)? It doesn't have to be 100% accurate, just give us somthing within 5% either way.
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Question: Bob, when you do actually make a bet on roulette what is your hit rate( how often do you win that bet on average)?
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Every time you ask me this question, and it's been a bunch of times and I've answered it, why do you come back and ask it again? Do you think my answer is going to be different this time?
What we're looking to do now is figure out what you need to see as far as proof goes when I post the results from online casinos. Once again, do you need to see that I beat roulette, would that be enough to convince you? Because I can do that. If you want proof of my more sophisticated method that's a much harder thing to do because it would take so long and it would take away from me making real money. You and everybody else has been saying prove it prove it prove it and now I'm offering it to prove it and all you want to know is answers to questions that you've already asked me five times? You want proof or don't you, crap or get off the pot as they used to say.
I'm not avoiding your question, I told you last time you asked me that I wasn't going to answer that question anymore from you because either you don't understand the answer or your memory is totally gone. You want the answer go back and look in this thread because it's there multiple times.
Quote: OnceDear
You say that if you show us certain results, that would show us exactly what you do
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I said I can produce results that will show that I beat roulette more often than I lose. If you want proof of more sophisticated methods that I use that's a lot harder will take a lot longer and will cut drastically into me playing for real money which I'm not really willing to do. But you claim that I can't even beat roulette at all, that I'm a fraud and a joke so all you really need to see is that I win more often than I lose. I'm willing to do that, but before I get started I need affirmation and you people seem to be beating around the bush. As I just told Axel, crap or get off the pot, do you want to see this or don't you. And if I do show that I win more often than I lose will that shut you up about it?
Quote: gordonm888God, I am so depressed. I think this flippity-flop thread is going to go on forever. This thread is not about roulette. Its become a dirty diaper; a stinky-butt version of a fight club.
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LOL, I mean, you can lock it.... EvenBob refuses to talk about his system anymore, and everyone else is just piling on to him about it. Stick a fork in it; it's done.
Hey Axel, if EB showed you how to do it would you start playing the game? I wouldn't. Even money returns are not my thing.
tuttigym
Quote: EvenBob
I said I can produce results that will show that I beat roulette more often than I lose.
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Okay, do that.
Nobody else say anything in this thread until EB produces those results. Then we'll go from there.
Quote: gordonm888God, I am so depressed. I think this flippity-flop thread is going to go on forever. This thread is not about roulette. Its become a dirty diaper; a stinky-butt version of a fight club.
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My only request is you, the Wizard, or the powers that be confine all “roulette not really being beaten” to one thread. Force them all in here if they are started.
Now, someone actually doing something real, that you can have a hundred threads on, AFAIC.
Showed me how to do what?Quote: tuttigymWhat happened to the 80% win rate level? Looks like it just went to 50.1%. Goal posts are moving, aren't they?
Hey Axel, if EB showed you how to do it would you start playing the game? I wouldn't. Even money returns are not my thing.
tuttigym
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What is it? If he showed a significant history of guessing when to bet correctly at an 80% hit rate I would be absolutely flabbergasted.
Quote: gordonm888God, I am so depressed. I think this flippity-flop thread is going to go on forever. This thread is not about roulette. Its become a dirty diaper; a stinky-butt version of a fight club.
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It is pretty interesting how management lets this skidmark go on while
the membership vehemently tries to defend the integrety of this site.
If he can't prove it to the Wizard, then he can't prove it to us with any different satisfaction.
He doesn't even have the proof he wins. He keeps saying it would be too difficult to gather the evidence. If it's too difficult to gather it then he doesn't even have it.
He also stated many times that a lot of this is only in his head. So it makes sense he may believe it but can't prove it.
Because you said 80% hit rate numerous times before, then you denied that you could do that, then you said that's what you do.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
Question: Bob, when you do actually make a bet on roulette what is your hit rate( how often do you win that bet on average)?
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Every time you ask me this question, and it's been a bunch of times and I've answered it, why do you come back and ask it again? Do you think my answer is going to be different this time?
What we're looking to do now is figure out what you need to see as far as proof goes when I post the results from online casinos. Once again, do you need to see that I beat roulette, would that be enough to convince you? Because I can do that. If you want proof of my more sophisticated method that's a much harder thing to do because it would take so long and it would take away from me making real money. You and everybody else has been saying prove it prove it prove it and now I'm offering it to prove it and all you want to know is answers to questions that you've already asked me five times? You want proof or don't you, crap or get off the pot as they used to say.
I'm not avoiding your question, I told you last time you asked me that I wasn't going to answer that question anymore from you because either you don't understand the answer or your memory is totally gone. You want the answer go back and look in this thread because it's there multiple times.
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Can someone help me out here, is that not the case, or did I miss something?
Why is it so important what the hit rate/ percentage is? Because that's what separates knowing if it's simply luck /variance or if there's actually something more going on. You could show us a history of thousands of bets, but if you're only up a few units that's meaningless. You need to establish what you're gonna prove first before we can say what's needed to prove it.
I can provide evidence I have won multiple units after thousands of -EV bets, but that doesn't mean I have a working method and it's basically meaningless.
If I can provide evidence I'm winning at a highly improbable win rate, then that is meaningful.
Quote: AxelWolfShowed me how to do what?Quote: tuttigymWhat happened to the 80% win rate level? Looks like it just went to 50.1%. Goal posts are moving, aren't they?
Hey Axel, if EB showed you how to do it would you start playing the game? I wouldn't. Even money returns are not my thing.
tuttigym
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What is it? If he showed a significant history of guessing when to bet correctly at an 80% hit rate I would be absolutely flabbergasted.
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Ain't going to happen.
tuttigym
Quote: rainmanQuote: gordonm888God, I am so depressed. I think this flippity-flop thread is going to go on forever. This thread is not about roulette. Its become a dirty diaper; a stinky-butt version of a fight club.
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It is pretty interesting how management lets this skidmark go on while
the membership vehemently tries to defend the integrety of this site.
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I do not believe that any of you are motivated by concerns about the integrity of this site; if you were then you would do what at least a dozen other members have done: stop posting on this thread and let it die. Even when EB stopped posting on this thread for a long time, you and MrV, TigerWu, Axel, BillRyan, DarkOZ and a few others just kept posting and posting and complaining to each other about EB. If moderators were to close this thread then I feel certain you guys will keep doing this on other threads or on a thread titled Can Roulette Be Beaten?-2.
There is no threat to integrity of this site, IMO that's just a nonsense excuse for conducting a 'fight club.' Outside of the participants, the only people reading this thread, are the moderators -because its in our job description to do so. This is a boring, highly-repetitive thread, filled with obnoxious posts that whine and express contempt for the OP. No one wants to read this crap, so there is no danger of an outsider or newcomer being corrupted by the content.
When I closed the thread for one day, BillRyan protested and said that the moderator had to go! Another member posted that he deeply resented my closing the thread for a day. Well, rainman, if you really believe this thread should be closed how come you aren't arguing with BillRyan and other members who are objecting to its closure? Where's the integrity of your beliefs?
All I see are members who enjoy feuding with other members. I guess that's just part of the rich pageant of social media -universally, not just here in WOV. But I do applaud the members who previously posted their viewpoints on this thread but have chosen to stop. IMO, they passed the "emotional intelligence test" that EB seems to be challenging us with.
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What we're looking to do now is figure out what you need to see as far as proof goes when I post the results from online casinos. Once again, do you need to see that I beat roulette, would that be enough to convince you?
How about this Bob?
I'll give you a list of good offshore joints that have Live Roulette(like Bovada). Pick one or more. I'll set up and fund the accounts(tell me how much). I will give you the login information etc. You do your thing.
Whatever you win you keep, if you should happen to you lose, you pay me back.
If you win over x% of x number of bets, then there's your proof.
This solves a number of issues...
You don't have to worry about anyone knowing your personal details.
Nothing can be faked or cherry-picked.
No one will know what factors into your decision-making.
You won't lose time attempting to prove yourself since you'll be making money if your thing actually works.
You don't need someone like Mike to be there watching, and you can take your time.
Not only that, but this actually helps you by having more options to play. You can give your other online casinos a break from all that winning you are doing.
If this is something you're interested in we can establish more details and address any concerns. Such as how do I know Axel will pay me my money if I win? I'll give Mike money in escrow. How do we get the money from each other(I'm not giving Axel my home address, he will steal my cats)? There are a number of ways such as exchanging Amazon gift codes and money gift card codes, You or I can send a money order to a PO box, or crypto, or Cash app, I don't really know, but I'm sure there are ways without reviling someone's personal information.
