Auto shuffler knows what the cards are

Quote: JESUS1

Excatly the most obvious Troll has awakened INSTANTLY!! haha You make me GRIN!

ZScore You Are TROLL! a 24 HOUR TROLL with instant responses 24 HOURS a Day awaiting to Make a Fool of yourself and Prove once again who here is a Paid Employee lobbying for casinos.

Try for once to take a nap.. Maybe sleep an Hour or 8! Try not making yourself so predictable and Obvious! hahaha please ZScore.. You are a Clown.... And a Bad Hire for Casinos. Your instant responses Give You away!
Let it be known Zscore is a Paid TROLL!

No more from me I still own Shares at Casinos FOR Life..( My deal was that as I left and it stands in Square feet and Machines and part of Gross on the tables..) Heads Up to alll those who I no Longer wish or need to take their moneys.

You Keep On Keepin On !Doing the troll thing.. I can Take from the wealthy , the corrupt and evil, but I have decided to let the rest Live and be wiser.

I don´t repent, Just do not want Any impoversihed or Gullable ones to be victims any Longer.
Peace, Love and Wisdon to all.

Quote: Zcore13

Awww now You're going to have to go to WoV prison. And all I did was ask what language you were speaking. We are in total agreement otherwise.

We have beast mode on our shufflers. When the eye in the sky radios down on our phone that looks like a pencil sharpener, we have to press the little button as we walk by. It then puts the shuffler in beast mode which makes it impossible to win during that time.

Other times we take out many of the 9's and Kings. The bosses just have to say "go K-9" and we know what to do.

Sometimes, but not often, we turn on card recognition. This allows us to send the cards out in whatever order we choose, using a remote that looks like a calculator to the normal player. It looks like we are just adding up numbers on a paper, but we are actually delivering the cards we need to win.



ZCore13

Quote: JESUS1

ZScore You Are TROLL! a 24 HOUR TROLL with instant responses 24 HOURS a Day awaiting to Make a Fool of yourself and Prove once again who here is a Paid Employee lobbying for casinos.

Quote: billryan

How do you steer the Aces to the DD on eleven?

Quote: OnceDear

I don't know the mechanics of it, but there is a special S.A.D button for that. Usually pressed by the supervisor while he's pretending to just be passing the time of day looking over the table and smiling at the suckers who he's about to stiff. Timing is everything though. He needs to have memorised what cards are in the 38 slots and be reactive to ploppies who might mess up the order of play.

Quote: Zcore13

Awww now You're going to have to go to WoV prison. And all I did was ask what language you were speaking. We are in total agreement otherwise.

We have beast mode on our shufflers. When the eye in the sky radios down on our phone that looks like a pencil sharpener, we have to press the little button as we walk by. It then puts the shuffler in beast mode which makes it impossible to win during that time.

Other times we take out many of the 9's and Kings. The bosses just have to say "go K-9" and we know what to do.

Sometimes, but not often, we turn on card recognition. This allows us to send the cards out in whatever order we choose, using a remote that looks like a calculator to the normal player. It looks like we are just adding up numbers on a paper, but we are actually delivering the cards we need to win.



ZCore13

Quote: Zcore13

We're going to need more foil over here. Anyone have Amazon Prime for same day delivery??


ZCore13

Quote: gordonm888

Zcore makes the idea of rigging the shuffler sound difficult. But let's take Mississippi Stud.

The first, second and third cards out of the Miss. Stud shuffler are the facedown cards: flop, turn and river, respectively.

If the first card out of the shuffler (the flop card) is in the range of 2 to 5, then the house has an enormous advantage -it is going to make a lot of money on that deal. And that's all the casino industry needs to do - just control the rank of the first card out of the shuffler and make it a 2, 3,4 or 5. In fact, if the Miss. Stud shuffler did that on 10% of the deals and let the other 90% be random, it would be worth a lot of money to the casino - and it would be essentially undetectable to the players.

Obviously, it would be trivial to write software that controlled the rank of the first card out of a modern shuffler to be 2-5 on say, 10% of the deals. So, for certain games there is absolutely no "complexity barrier" to rigging the shuffler software to help the casino make more money.

I'm not saying that that is happening - but that is the kind of "casino cheat threat" that players need to be wary of.

Quote: ZenKinG

And this city still cant beat me. How impressive is that? Even with people ratting me out on here to every casino on the strip. Let that sink in. I suggest you tell the whole city to go even money on blackjack, no das, no surrender, no mid shoe entry and continue to issue fake trespasses to even slow me down.

Quote: Boz

Can you prove anyone ratted you out, or if you even suspect it, why not name names? As much as you want to believe otherwise, people on here would not do that. They have offered you advice you chose to ignore. And as much as I personally would love to see you lose it all, just based on your attitude alone, I would never do it to anyone, nor would the people on here that you risk their livelihood with your garbage.

And yes, anything bad that happens to you is 100% deserved because you are just too f!#/ing stupid to keep your mouth shut, your head down and make f!#/ing money using the intellectual abilities you have. You truly are an idiot and perhaps I am as well for falling into your trap of nonsense.

See everyone whenever.

Quote: GlenG

I'm still waiting for the Opportunity to see him at my caisno on the Strip, so I can ID him (since he is under 35 TMK) and see the trainwreck in person.

Quote: beachbumbabs

ID him, fine, but don't be the rat.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Not every casino deal the community cards first. There are plenty that deal every player their hole cards first then the community cards.

Quote: GlenG

3 casinos I worked at, all had different methods to deal UTH.

1st place the board is dealt out before players and dealers hand.
2nd place board was dealt out after all players and dealers hand were dealt (2,2 and 1 discarding the bottom card of the last 2 stack)
3rd place is dealt by hand. burn a card, then gives players their hand 1 card at a time..then burn a card deal flop, then burn a card to deal the 2 river cards and dealers hand. 3 burned cards total

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Same for M. Stud except #2 where it's 2 + 2 then burn bottom of second 2 cards.

Quote: GlenG

I dont understand. I wouldn't give his personal info out or anything, I know better. Then again I get a lot of eye rolls and complaining from people who I ask for IDs(policy is anyone who looks under 35)..maybe I have already interacted with him.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Sorry, didn't make myself clear. ZK seems to be making unfounded accusations against people on this forum, best I can tell. If you (as a Strip dealer) feed his narrative, it blurs the line.

I understood the ID under 35 guidance you have. Just the way you phrased it, left room for him to claim you were going to be/are already part of those "working against him" (paraphrasing ).

Quote: GlenG

Hes stated that anyone who asks for his ID get laughed at in their face. So I'm Interested in the interaction of if it were to ever happen. I guess I'm just a glutton for good ol'fashioned casino drama

Quote: Zcore13

No ID upon request, no play. Same in every casino. I know who always has the last laugh in these situations.


ZCore13

Quote: BadBeat0420

I was playing PGP yesterday at Horseshoe in Baltimore. I came across the dealer using the card set up screen. This is the first time I have seen this in nearly 20 years of playing PGP.

Here is my concern: the machine shuffles the cards, reads the cards as they are placed into packets, and tells the dealer how to play the cards they are dealt. This machine also identifies the order in which the cards are distributed. The RNG is used AFTER the cards are shuffled, and the machine knows which set of cards is best, or at least is better than the majority of other set hands. It is easy for this set of cards to be dealt to the house.

I do not think the machine is shuffling the cards in such a way to give better cards to any certain hand. But I do believe it is choosing the first hand to be dealt (by RNG) as a way to allow the dealer to receive a certain hand that is read as likely being a winner at the table. That is shennanigans in my book.

Quote: BadBeat0420

I was playing PGP yesterday at Horseshoe in Baltimore. I came across the dealer using the card set up screen. This is the first time I have seen this in nearly 20 years of playing PGP.

Here is my concern: the machine shuffles the cards, reads the cards as they are placed into packets, and tells the dealer how to play the cards they are dealt. This machine also identifies the order in which the cards are distributed. The RNG is used AFTER the cards are shuffled, and the machine knows which set of cards is best, or at least is better than the majority of other set hands. It is easy for this set of cards to be dealt to the house.

I do not think the machine is shuffling the cards in such a way to give better cards to any certain hand. But I do believe it is choosing the first hand to be dealt (by RNG) as a way to allow the dealer to receive a certain hand that is read as likely being a winner at the table. That is shennanigans in my book.

Quote: SM777

So at this point, not only are you accusing Scientific Games who has literally nothing to gain from it, you're dragging in GLI as well, who approves these devices?

Quote: SM777

So at this point, not only are you accusing Scientific Games who has literally nothing to gain from it, you're dragging in GLI as well, who approves these devices?

Quote: BadBeat0420

I see the companies who make the shuffling/dealing machines as having something to gain when they depend on the casino to purchase their equipment over someone else's. It is in their interest to allow the better cards to fall in the hands of the dealers, is it not?

It seems as though GLI or anyone else who is supposed to verify the machines are in proper working order are likely able to confirm this. The working order includes the machine looking at each card as it is put into a set. There is no argument about that. The same device is responsible for choosing a start point to deal the cards. That is kind of my point...I am not saying anything is ill functioning within the machine, I am saying the machine has the ability to identify the better hand and allow it to be dealt to the dealer. This shows no defect in the machine itself, therefore GLI is able to say it works accurately.

I dont believe GLI is intentionally overlooking this aspect. I think they look at the requirements and ensure each machine meets them. I would imagine that all the tests run would show everything in good working order.

Quote: BadBeat0420

I see the companies who make the shuffling/dealing machines as having something to gain when they depend on the casino to purchase their equipment over someone else's. It is in their interest to allow the better cards to fall in the hands of the dealers, is it not?

It seems as though GLI or anyone else who is supposed to verify the machines are in proper working order are likely able to confirm this. The working order includes the machine looking at each card as it is put into a set. There is no argument about that. The same device is responsible for choosing a start point to deal the cards. That is kind of my point...I am not saying anything is ill functioning within the machine, I am saying the machine has the ability to identify the better hand and allow it to be dealt to the dealer. This shows no defect in the machine itself, therefore GLI is able to say it works accurately.

I dont believe GLI is intentionally overlooking this aspect. I think they look at the requirements and ensure each machine meets them. I would imagine that all the tests run would show everything in good working order.

Quote: beachbumbabs

In his defense, Joe Gambler doesn't know what safeguards are built in or required. It's a very short stretch, when you're playing and on a bad run, to wonder if there's something to it. Wondered myself, a few years ago, went and got answers that satisfied me about the integrity of the game. Assuming positive intent, I think he's simply asking the question, not really making an accusation.

It's going to be an uphill road for SHFL, as it has been, to expose the capability for the shuffler to read the cards, and not have people question whether they're being pre-set. This particular PGP spread (as you know) has a small touchscreen display actually inset into the table, and can reveal each hand, along with the house way hand set.

I assume it was primarily designed to make dealing and setting the house hand easily and correctly standard regardless of the skill level of the dealer. In actual play, it slows down the hph a lot, because houses that have it require their dealers to display the dealer's set on every hand for the cameras, and some of them fumble around with the buttons a lot. But if the house prefers a slower game with correct sets each time, I guess it's a win.

Quote: SM777

I know the device, but it's just an extension of the shuffler in reality. The shuffler knows the cards that are dealt in UTH, there's just no device on the table displaying it. It's only on the shuffler screen.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

The shuffle machines have no way of distinguishing between winning and losing hands or good cards from bad cards. This BS about rigged shufflers needs to cease.

Quote: BadBeat0420

The shuffler reads the cards as they are set up. How can you be absolutely sure they do not distinguish between higher and lower hands? The computer calculates the proper way to play any (and each) given hand.

Quote: JESUS1

Excatly the most obvious Troll has awakened INSTANTLY!! haha You make me GRIN!

ZScore You Are TROLL! a 24 HOUR TROLL with instant responses 24 HOURS a Day awaiting to Make a Fool of yourself and Prove once again who here is a Paid Employee lobbying for casinos.

Try for once to take a nap.. Maybe sleep an Hour or 8! Try not making yourself so predictable and Obvious! hahaha please ZScore.. You are a Clown.... And a Bad Hire for Casinos. Your instant responses Give You away!
Let it be known Zscore is a Paid TROLL!

No more from me I still own Shares at Casinos FOR Life..( My deal was that as I left and it stands in Square feet and Machines and part of Gross on the tables..) Heads Up to alll those who I no Longer wish or need to take their moneys.

You Keep On Keepin On !Doing the troll thing.. I can Take from the wealthy , the corrupt and evil, but I have decided to let the rest Live and be wiser.

I don´t repent, Just do not want Any impoversihed or Gullable ones to be victims any Longer.
Peace, Love and Wisdon to all.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Because AP's, which I've done many years of, have crushed shuffle machines. In fact, we prefer them over hands shuffles.

Quote: BadBeat0420

The card shufflers are working properly. There is no dispute about that. However, they are also reading each card, then telling the dealer in which order to deal the ere is also no dispute against this. There is no transparency in having the random number generator be random.

Either the part of the machine that reads the cards should be turned off, or dice should be used to allow for complete transparency for the randomness of the start deal.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Because AP's, which I've done many years of, have crushed shuffle machines. In fact, we prefer them over hands shuffles.

Quote: GlenG

Hes stated that anyone who asks for his ID get laughed at in their face. So I'm Interested in the interaction of if it were to ever happen. I guess I'm just a glutton for good ol'fashioned casino drama

Quote: Keyser

Fabulous to know. Perhaps you can go ahead and tell us which make and models are the best to exploit, and which casinos we should play?

Quote: beachbumbabs

In his defense, Joe Gambler doesn't know what safeguards are built in or required. It's a very short stretch, when you're playing and on a bad run, to wonder if there's something to it. Wondered myself, a few years ago, went and got answers that satisfied me about the integrity of the game. Assuming positive intent, I think he's simply asking the question, not really making an accusation.

It's going to be an uphill road for SHFL, as it has been, to expose the capability for the shuffler to read the cards, and not have people question whether they're being pre-set. This particular PGP spread (as you know) has a small touchscreen display actually inset into the table, and can reveal each hand, along with the house way hand set.

I assume it was primarily designed to make dealing and setting the house hand easily and correctly standard regardless of the skill level of the dealer. In actual play, it slows down the hph a lot, because houses that have it require their dealers to display the dealer's set on every hand for the cameras, and some of them fumble around with the buttons a lot. But if the house prefers a slower game with correct sets each time, I guess it's a win.

Quote: ZenKinG

Wrong, buy nice try. I was referring to pit bosses and managers who work these casinos, NOT dealers. I always provide my id to any dealer that requests it.

Trespasses? Oh you mean the bluff trespasses with no enforcement in court that are simply a backoff in disguise hoping that it terrifies you to not come back. Luckily im too smart for the shenanigand in this city.

Quote: ZenKinG

Wrong, buy nice try. I was referring to pit bosses and managers who work these casinos, NOT dealers. I always provide my id to any dealer that requests it.