Morgue
Morgue
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May 28th, 2015 at 6:04:51 AM permalink
Just curious about house edge on all available bets on this game. I'm sure someone around here would enjoy applying a bit of their math wizardry to this new game.

Here's a link:
Romes
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May 28th, 2015 at 6:55:24 AM permalink
Quote: Morgue

Just curious about house edge on all available bets on this game. I'm sure someone around here would enjoy applying a bit of their math wizardry to this new game.

Here's a link:
https://www.crownmelbourne.com.au/casino/casino-games/triple-chase


I actually went to check the game out and there appears to be no rules listed on any of the pages I clicked. Even under casino games I found the game, clicked it, and it took me to the same page your link has where it just says the game and how "easy" it is to learn and how I should check it out. Zero rules means zero to calculate as you don't even know how to play...

The closest thing after still searching there was a Rules tab on the page that took me to a 55 page technical docket for all of their "semi-automated table games." Not sure what semi-automated even means, but yeah not reading through 55 pages of technical jargon. Even when I scroll down to page 42, which it states is the beginning of the "Tripple-Chase" rules, it's just talking about burning cards, side bets, etc, for like 10 pages. Is that it? Is it just these 2 and 3 card bets? Are you even playing the hand? Is it played like blackjack?
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
sddealer
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May 28th, 2015 at 7:11:27 AM permalink
Section 14.6 of that document has the dealing procedure for the game, which appears to be:

Deal 3 cards in the dealer's work space.
Resolve all bets.

So, yes, it looks like the game is just an array of 2 and 3 card side bets and nothing else.
miplet
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May 28th, 2015 at 8:43:15 PM permalink
Crown Pairs
EventCombinationsProbabilityPaysReturn
Suited7800.01607717042250.4019292605
Colored9360.0192926045130.2508038585
Mixed18720.03858520960.231511254
non pair449280.9260450161-1-0.9260450161
Total485161-0.04180064309


Blackjack Bounty
EventPaysCommbinationsProbabilityReturn
Suited305760.0118723720.35617116
Colored225760.0118723720.261192184
Mixed1111520.0237447440.261192184
Loser-1462120.952510512-0.952510512
Total485161-0.073954984


Lucky 8s
EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
3 8s20020240.0004037240.080744896
2 8s15794880.0158553610.23783042
1 829918720.1978473350.395694669
0 8s-139399360.78589358-0.78589358
Total50133201-0.071623595


Poker Pursuit (21 +3)
EventCombinationsProbabilityPaysReturn
trips suited62400.000207447500.010372368
trips1516320.005040971500.252048543
straightflush622080.0020680911000.206809061
straight9331200.03102135960.186128155
flush17573760.0584235630.175270679
Pair58631040.19491754-1-0.19491754
loser213062400.708321033-1-0.708321033
Total300799201-0.072609768


Extra Chance Pairs
EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Suited614383200.0478166170.286899699
Colored416848000.0560107870.224043149
Mixed232348160.1075407120.215081423
Loser-1237219840.788631885-0.788631885
Total300799201-0.062607613


Over Under 13
EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Over 131226680.4672273060.467227306
Loser-1258480.532772694-0.532772694
Total485161-0.065545387



EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Under 131218160.449666090.44966609
Loser-1267000.55033391-0.55033391
Total485161-0.100667821



EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
131040320.0831066040.83106604
Loser-1444840.916893396-0.916893396
Total485161-0.085827356


Over Under 20
EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Over 201138450720.4602762240.460276224
Loser-1162348480.539723776-0.539723776
Total300799201-0.079447552



EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Under 201142580160.4740044520.474004452
Loser-1158219040.525995548-0.525995548
Total300799201-0.051991096



EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
201319768320.0657193240.854351208
Loser-1281030880.934280676-0.934280676
Total300799201-0.079929468

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Morgue
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June 1st, 2015 at 7:46:00 AM permalink
Thanks for the great work, miplet. Much appreciated.
With the figures you posted it seems like a terrible, terrible game to play. No wonder I never see anyone partaking.

One thing I found noteworthy is that over 13 and under 13's returns are not the same. Neither is under/over 20. At first glance I would've thought it would be an equivalent to a red/black bet in roulette.

Also, for those curious as to hat "semi automated" means; it is where a dealer controls the cards/wheel but the players bet on a touch screen. It's linked up to video.

Anybody have anything else to contribute?
mcallister3200
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June 1st, 2015 at 8:25:28 AM permalink
Quote: Morgue



Also, for those curious as to hat "semi automated" means; it is where a dealer controls the cards/wheel but the players bet on a touch screen. It's linked up to video.

are the cards dealt from a shoe or csm?
Canyonero
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June 1st, 2015 at 11:54:48 AM permalink
Another game that I would be definitely interested in playing, if it weren't for the ridiculous house edge. It is disingenuous on the casino's part. They get too greedy which results in these games getting no action and disappearing from the floors. And then the moronic execs justify their incompetence with the line "people just don't accept anything new, they just want BJ and poker variants".

So it's only BJ with a <1%HE, instead of a healthy mix of novel games at 2-4%HE. I would be willing to lose more than I do in a casino, if they keep me entertained. (UTH was the only game in the last year that accomplished that.) As it is now, I'll have to stick mostly with BJ with my ~1%PE.
Morgue
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June 2nd, 2015 at 6:49:51 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

are the cards dealt from a shoe or csm?


I'm not 100%, but I think it's a CSM.

Although I only walked past it, barely paying it much attention, I don't think the game is gaining any momentum or drawing any hype. I suspect it will be both a world first.....and last

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