Baccaratfrom79
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March 16th, 2015 at 12:57:51 PM permalink
What is gambling? Is it luck? Skill? Voo-Doo? Belief in Magical Myths? Is it pre-determined or is it set by the player?


Put your money where your mouth is. I will show you how my little magical monkey can get the shoe to produce 2 out of 2 monkeys when I feel the need for the 'extra' magical (as some of you put it, 'Voo-Doo' myth) powers to lock in a larger wager.

Here is the wager. If my little guys fails me, I will buy you dinner anywhere you want for you and your guests with beverages up to $400.00. Likewise, you do the same when I prevail. Also, a public apology on this board the loser makes to the other.

Put up or shut up. Period.
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March 16th, 2015 at 2:17:43 PM permalink
I can hear the sound of crickets..
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March 16th, 2015 at 2:25:10 PM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

I will show you how my little magical monkey can get the shoe to produce 2 out of 2 monkeys when I feel the need for the 'extra' magical (as some of you put it, 'Voo-Doo' myth) powers to lock in a larger wager.


What do you mean by, "2 out of 2 monkeys"?
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March 16th, 2015 at 2:25:25 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I can hear the sound of crickets..



Thought I would have had a couple takers. Hey, please dispel this, but I am willing to gamble on it.
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March 16th, 2015 at 2:26:13 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

What do you mean by, "2 out of 2 monkeys"?



Two wagers. My little guy has to be successful 2X's.
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March 16th, 2015 at 2:31:15 PM permalink
What do you mean by "if my little guy fails me"
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March 16th, 2015 at 2:33:49 PM permalink
I'm sure you'd have a lot more takers if it's just for the money. Not sure how many people here actually care about getting a dinner. Prob the out of towners would care more about that.
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March 16th, 2015 at 2:34:45 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I can hear the sound of crickets..



I imagine because it's not a good bet. And by "not good", I mean "poorly constructed".

There's ~400 and a few cards in a shoe, depending on how many get burned. Say 405 - 415. 128 of those are "0" value. If the bet was from that point, the beginning of the shoe, the challenger would (should?) jump at it. But that was not defined. He said "when he feels the need", and even this mental defective could create a count system to give me a huge advantage on those terms.

So no AP would go for it.

The guys that just like proof? This is a one trial bet. Win or lose, the proof is so close to zero that it's not worth pursuing. It's tell us whatever is closest to nothing while still being something.

So "prove him wrong/right"? Can't. AP your way to a free dinner? Can't.

So what would be the point in participating?
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March 16th, 2015 at 2:36:58 PM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

What is gambling? Is it luck? Skill? Voo-Doo? Belief in Magical Myths? Is it pre-determined or is it set by the player?


Put your money where your mouth is. I will show you how my little magical monkey can get the shoe to produce 2 out of 2 monkeys when I feel the need for the 'extra' magical (as some of you put it, 'Voo-Doo' myth) powers to lock in a larger wager.

Here is the wager. If my little guys fails me, I will buy you dinner anywhere you want for you and your guests with beverages up to $400.00. Likewise, you do the same when I prevail. Also, a public apology on this board the loser makes to the other.

Put up or shut up. Period.




Edited to incorporate clarification that it is two separate occasions:

As I understand it, here are the current terms:

-- At some point in a baccarat shoe, you will "feel the need" to use the little magical monkey. The LMM will "lock in" the next card as a jack, queen or king.

If the next card is a Jack, Queen or King, you will receive a $400 dinner credit. Should it not be Jack, Queen or King, you will pay for a $400 dinner credit.

I am defintely interested in negotiating terms, but have some questions:

- How often do you "feel" the need to invoke the LMM? Once per shoe, Once per night, Once per week? If it is rare, settling this will be problematic.

- Since you are so certain, are you willing to give odds?


Thanks!
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March 16th, 2015 at 2:37:19 PM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

I'm sure you'd have a lot more takers if it's just for the money. Not sure how many people here actually care about getting a dinner. Prob the out of towners would care more about that.



Just didn't think a cash wager was cool, tacky. Actually, why would an AP'er want to waste several hours watching baccarat when so much $$$ is to be made at the tables???? Disclosure: Not trolling, just learning.
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March 16th, 2015 at 2:39:18 PM permalink
Well you'd make the stipulation that he'd have to use the monkey at any point within the next newly shuffled shoe or the next two shoes or something to that effect.
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March 16th, 2015 at 2:41:05 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

As I understand it, here are the current terms:

-- At some point in a baccarat shoe, you will "feel the need" to use the little magical monkey. The LMM will "lock in" the next two cards as jacks, queens or kings.

If the next two cards are Jacks, Queens or Kings, you will receive a $400 dinner credit. Should they not be Jacks, Queens or Kings, you will pay for a $400 dinner credit.

I am defintely interested in negotiating terms, but have some questions:

- Is my understanding correct? Or do you mean in two separate instances, you will use the monkey to make only the next card a Jack, Queen or King? Please be specific.
- How often do you "feel" the need to invoke the LMM? Once per shoe, Once per night, Once per week? If it is rare, settling this will be problematic.

Thanks!



The very next card. In any scenario 4 cards will already be out, the players will need a card and the banker might also. The card I need my little monkey's power for might be for us or for the other side. Yes and two instances. Two separate wagers. Could be the same shoe or different shoes. Same night. 1 night. Also in baccarat a 10-pip card is also considered a monkey, btw.
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March 16th, 2015 at 2:42:59 PM permalink
Come to the WOV Spring Fling... March 16th (though many of us and myself will be there earlier in the week too). We'll all go to a baccarat table. I bet you'll get a lot of action there if you'd like to place a wager and believe your monkey statue can influence the game.

p.s. I would re-word the "if my little guy doesn't work" statements lol.
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March 16th, 2015 at 2:51:15 PM permalink
The probability of 2 random cards being a 0 value card (in baccarat) is 9.5%.

If you're offering even money odds on this I'll wager up to $100K on this if it is done at a live table in a casino with the casino's dealer following proper procedure for setting up the table (no marked cards, no unshuffled shoes, etc). I'm sure many other people here would wager much more than that.
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March 16th, 2015 at 3:13:16 PM permalink
I am offering it as stated, at a live casino in Vegas with me and other playing in a live game, period. Nothing private outside the casino. The way I said, $400.00 dinner credit anywhere you want in Vegas if the monkey fails to work. Period. You want a $100k chance, its not hard to do. Go to Caesar's or Bellagio they have $25,000.00 off the street limit. Get 3 other people you can trust. Each one places a $25k wager on whatever you think.

I put up $400.00 because people here say the monkey doesn't work. I know different. I am willing to gamble. You are starting to change the whole point to your liking. I put it out there, again, put up or move on. Nothing to do with trolling or transsexual people. If you want I can also arrange for one to be there if that makes you happy.
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March 16th, 2015 at 3:21:06 PM permalink
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Put up or shut it up!

You've been outed.
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March 16th, 2015 at 3:23:07 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba


-- At some point in a baccarat shoe, you will "feel the need" to use the little magical monkey. The LMM will "lock in" the next card as a jack, queen or king.



Don't forget 10's.

Or have I forgotten how to baccarat?
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March 16th, 2015 at 3:27:34 PM permalink
Quote: Face

Don't forget 10's.

Or have I forgotten how to baccarat?


Face, I mentioned the Pip-10's earlier in the thread as well.
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March 16th, 2015 at 3:31:05 PM permalink
I'll do it for cash, not some dinner credit.
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March 16th, 2015 at 3:33:39 PM permalink
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Face, I mentioned the Pip-10's earlier in the thread as well.



K, good. Still know how to baccarat.

Just forgot how to read, apparently.
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March 16th, 2015 at 3:36:48 PM permalink
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I'll do it for cash, not some dinner credit.



I will do it for cash under these conditions. 1) AoS holds the cash/'escrowed'. lol., and; 2) If you lose, we get to take a picture of you bowing to the monkey. That's my offer.
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March 16th, 2015 at 3:40:49 PM permalink
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The very next card. In any scenario 4 cards will already be out, the players will need a card and the banker might also. The card I need my little monkey's power for might be for us or for the other side. Yes and two instances. Two separate wagers. Could be the same shoe or different shoes. Same night. 1 night. Also in baccarat a 10-pip card is also considered a monkey, btw.


Given your certainty of the little monkey's effectiveness, and the ability to countdown a shoe until it is rich in zero value cards, are you interested in giving odds?
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March 16th, 2015 at 3:42:37 PM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

I will do it for cash under these conditions. 1) AoS holds the cash/'escrowed'. lol., and; 2) If you lose, we get to take a picture of you bowing to the monkey. That's my offer.



No picture.
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March 16th, 2015 at 3:44:00 PM permalink
Does anyone on this board read the thread?? I don't count a shoe down, I am dumb remember, also immature and unrealistic, what else-----let me see, incapable of understanding intelligent AP moves.
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March 16th, 2015 at 3:45:32 PM permalink
Quote: RS

No picture.



Sorry, I'm late keeping up with this thread. I will defer to RS unless the negotiations fall apart. I note that sc's offer was "up to" 100k, which $400 happens to qualify for.
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March 16th, 2015 at 3:49:01 PM permalink
I was trying to do something friendly here, if I really wanted to gamble I would let AoS show me how to play blackjack at the vacuum cleaner place Aria. My monkey is a sure bet!
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March 16th, 2015 at 4:45:40 PM permalink
Sorry, I don't monkey around.

Your bet would prove nothing, and that is the only real issue: is there valid proof of your magic monkey claim?

Nobody disputes that you like playing with and rubbing your monkey; that is obvious from your posts.

The math requires a lot of trials be performed before any conclusions can be drawn from the results.

Perhaps you should ask one of the so-called "mathletes" to assist you in designing a meaningful test which passes math muster?

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March 16th, 2015 at 4:47:44 PM permalink
Quote: Face

I imagine because it's not a good bet. And by "not good", I mean "poorly constructed".

There's ~400 and a few cards in a shoe, depending on how many get burned. Say 405 - 415. 128 of those are "0" value. If the bet was from that point, the beginning of the shoe, the challenger would (should?) jump at it. But that was not defined. He said "when he feels the need", and even this mental defective could create a count system to give me a huge advantage on those terms.

So no AP would go for it.

The guys that just like proof? This is a one trial bet. Win or lose, the proof is so close to zero that it's not worth pursuing. It's tell us whatever is closest to nothing while still being something.

So "prove him wrong/right"? Can't. AP your way to a free dinner? Can't.

So what would be the point in participating?



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March 16th, 2015 at 6:27:07 PM permalink
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Sorry, I don't monkey around.

Your bet would prove nothing, and that is the only real issue: is there valid proof of your magic monkey claim?

Nobody disputes that you like playing with and rubbing your monkey; that is obvious from your posts.

The math requires a lot of trials be performed before any conclusions can be drawn from the results.

Perhaps you should ask one of the so-called "mathletes" to assist you in designing a meaningful test which passes math muster?



The monkey, "Mr. Monkey" does not change the math of the game, I never said that. He does bring me luck and allows me to win certain hands. Period.

My 2 year old has a pacifier, actually 4 of them and carries one while another is in his mouth. He really doesn't need them but he thinks he does. Those pacifiers simply pacify him. They don't change anything. I do know at times, more times than not, I wagered larger and harder than I normally do with the foresight that my lucky monkey would pull me through. And he did. Okay, now what. IT's wrong.

When I walk by the dice table I see all kind of weird crap and hear weird things, nobody is chastising the shooter????????????????????????
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March 16th, 2015 at 6:44:28 PM permalink
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When I walk by the dice table I see all kind of weird crap and hear weird things, nobody is chastising the shooter????????????????????????[/q



A lot of craps players are superstitious dolts.

Some blow on the dice for luck, some smack them on the felt, some try to set them.

The boxman man will often chastise the shooter if both dice don't hit the back wall; I've seen them take the dice from dice setters who ignore that warning.

Have you tried craps?

Very social game (if you bet with the dice), and really good odds if you ignore the stupid bets.

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March 16th, 2015 at 6:53:23 PM permalink
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Quote: Face

I imagine because it's not a good bet. And by "not good", I mean "poorly constructed".

There's ~400 and a few cards in a shoe, depending on how many get burned. Say 405 - 415. 128 of those are "0" value. If the bet was from that point, the beginning of the shoe, the challenger would (should?) jump at it. But that was not defined. He said "when he feels the need", and even this mental defective could create a count system to give me a huge advantage on those terms.

So no AP would go for it.

The guys that just like proof? This is a one trial bet. Win or lose, the proof is so close to zero that it's not worth pursuing. It's tell us whatever is closest to nothing while still being something.

So "prove him wrong/right"? Can't. AP your way to a free dinner? Can't.

So what would be the point in participating?



I got beat by a mod word for word what I was going to type. I'm getting rusty.

and I'm Japanese so I prefer a maneki neko:



One of my wife's friends always has one in her lap when she gambles. Guess I better not say if she wins or not, I will reserve comment.
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March 16th, 2015 at 7:03:59 PM permalink
Quote:

One of my wife's friends always has one in her lap when she gambles.



I'll bet it vibrates.
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March 16th, 2015 at 7:22:30 PM permalink
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I'll bet it vibrates.



She is Japanese, no telling? My wife says she is different, no idea what that means??
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March 16th, 2015 at 7:25:21 PM permalink
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The monkey, "Mr. Monkey" does not change the math of the game, I never said that. He does bring me luck and allows me to win certain hands. Period.



Those are mutually exclusive statements. Does the monkey allow you to win certain hands, or does it not change the math of the game? If it allows you to win certain hands, then it's turning a 45% chance of success into a 100% chance of success. That would be the definition of changing the math of the game.
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March 16th, 2015 at 8:04:09 PM permalink
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I was trying to do something friendly here, if I really wanted to gamble I would let AoS show me how to play blackjack at the vacuum cleaner place Aria. My monkey is a sure bet!





So you aren't dropping by….?
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March 16th, 2015 at 8:06:03 PM permalink
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I'll bet it vibrates.



Actually the left arm goes up and down, as if to claw money into it's paws. Some of the cats have this as a function in stores in Japan as to bring in good business.
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March 16th, 2015 at 8:16:25 PM permalink
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So you aren't dropping by….?


I will, my old host from Bellagio is there now, just don't know if the monkey is comfortable at that joint????
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March 16th, 2015 at 8:27:18 PM permalink
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The monkey, "Mr. Monkey" does not change the math of the game, I never said that. He does bring me luck and allows me to win certain hands. Period.



And herein lies the issue.

Most people based in logic know what luck is. It's happenstance. As my former sig line read, "Luck is probability taken personally". It is not a supernatural force, rather a simple construct of perception.

Some believe that a supernatural luck exists. Call it karma, good ju-ju, voo-doo, whatever. That is fine, and not really the issue at hand. If you believe that, and it appears you do, and your monkey is the source of it for you, and he allows you to win certain hands, then by definition he has changed the math of the game. If your brand of luck exists, and if could could make zero value cards appear on command, then the math changes. That's what AP like card counting and ace locating is all about. It's about knowing what comes next. That translates into an advantage. That changes the math.

You're claiming two thing which contradict each other. And this is why, no matter what your goal, what your purpose, what your opinion, your claims remain false.

Edit: RDW beat me to it ><
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March 16th, 2015 at 8:56:39 PM permalink
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I am offering it as stated, at a live casino in Vegas with me and other playing in a live game, period. Nothing private outside the casino. The way I said, $400.00 dinner credit anywhere you want in Vegas if the monkey fails to work. Period. You want a $100k chance, its not hard to do. Go to Caesar's or Bellagio they have $25,000.00 off the street limit. Get 3 other people you can trust. Each one places a $25k wager on whatever you think.

I put up $400.00 because people here say the monkey doesn't work. I know different. I am willing to gamble. You are starting to change the whole point to your liking. I put it out there, again, put up or move on. Nothing to do with trolling or transsexual people. If you want I can also arrange for one to be there if that makes you happy.



Yeah, that 25K limit doesn't give me +EV though, LOL.

Also, food money has 0 value to me since I get everything comped anyway.

But I'm sure there'll be plenty of takers here for this since you're taking even money on a longshot bet, especially if you make it $400 cash, I guarantee you a local will take you up on it.

If you made it for your trip bankroll (in cash) I would fly out to take you up on it if I had some assurance I'd be paid, since the math states I'm 90.5% to win, 9.5% to lose.
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March 16th, 2015 at 10:38:23 PM permalink
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March 16th, 2015 at 11:03:32 PM permalink
I think B79's basically offering someone here a free dinner w/ him wherever he's staying.
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March 16th, 2015 at 11:47:44 PM permalink
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http://youtu.be/VSWtCrqB3E4

+1
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 17th, 2015 at 1:22:48 AM permalink
Baccaratfrom79 Here's my offer.

First off I would love to watch you play high limit Baccarat and have fun. Drink tips within reason are on me. (I'm not tipping on bottles of dom or Cristal ) Depending on the limits I might even play. I'm not going to play high limit -EV games. perhaps $25 hands. Ill even follow your bets, if you prefer Ill bet opposite or not at all.

I hope I'm right when I think... if there's anyone on the forum that really does have the balls to actually show and back up what they are saying, it's you.
lets hop you're not the next Varmenti.

Most of these bets/ deals break down, it happens all the time. Guys like MaxSwell (or guys like the Laughlin IGT gaffed BJ machines) Let me call them the Voodoo people. The voodoo people start out with some outrageous claims of Voodoo/skill/systems they make promises or outrageous bet offers.

Once someone points out how big of an advantage it is for Mr skeptical, or whoever is willing to actually put their money where their mouth is. Mr Voodoo starts backtracking while trying to negotiating the odds down, down to a point where its now nothing but luck and a coin flip. What's the point? Or they make the terms impossible, they just make excuses and even disappear.

The guys who do stick around, and stick with their stories of winning betting systems, very rarely put their money where their mouth is. They use BS excuses "they don't want their secret systems exposed", even though proving such a thing would make them rich and famous. Usually it's guys who no one has ever seen, 10 to 1 they live in the basement.

If you strongly believe something works or something is out of whack, prove it by giving someone a significant advantage, especially since you are so dam confident it works. I have given people a 25% advantage over multiple bets when I felt confident. I have won many times until they submitted, even other AP's.

The point of making the funky monkey bet is to prove or disprove you, or your monkey can substantially change the odds in your favor.

People make ridiculous Voodoo gaming claims all the time. They are freerolling BS claims, eventually by pure luck someone guesses right. They claim victory along with an I told you so badge of honor. People here should have to back up silly claims that go against math and logic.

Another point of making a wager of this type is to sting the individuals involved when they are wrong and lose. A dinner comp that you get for free isn't going to cut it.
I have a feeling you would offer that no matter what, just to have a good time.

You claim to be a true gambler( a chance to show us what you got), you and have indicated you don't really give a monkeys ass about AP EV. You have lead us all to believe you are financially set, a high roller, betting/winning and losing thousands on baccarat.

So I challenge you to put your money where your monkey is. Come up with a realistic scenario where you offering a 50% advantage(someone can come up with something if you want, I have no clue what you are even clamming you can do, other than your monkey is magic or that you know when shoes are trending) let it be over more than 1 single hand/event. Since you claim it almost always works, given 3 or 4 trials you shouldn't have a problem overcoming the odds

Lets keep it friendly and within the 1k to 2k range.

Ill partner up with RS on the bet(if he will agree) If, I lose we can take my picture of me bowing to you and the monkey, I will admit your the best baccarat player I know (as long as my face and anything that can identify me is edited)

And you'll get paid whatever we wager. I will Ask if Mike the Wizard will hold the money. I have a felling we can even talk him into attending, if we offer him a nice dinner. However, if I win, you have to agree to never talk about monkey business or baccarat hot and cold streaks/voodoo again on the forum (after the final discussion of the event)

You can talk about baccarat wins and losses, but you just can't hot and cold streaks/voodoo mumbojumbo.

PS there's room for negotiating or adding something, but I'm not making love to your dam monkey.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Baccaratfrom79
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March 17th, 2015 at 3:08:24 AM permalink
Quote: sc15

I think B79's basically offering someone here a free dinner w/ him wherever he's staying.



I said anywhere in Vegas you would like. I already Talked to my attorney and he agreed to hold/escrowed my $400.00 and yours. Meaning, that is $800.00 cash. WTF people, twist and turn, damn. Good lord. I can get comp'd a lot of places, if we do this at the Tropicana, sure I will go to Biscayne or Bacios (both great places) and cover your bill, AoS will have the cash---I Already said that. My money is up.

I sell nothing, zero, natta, zip, zilch, etc. I have no system to sell or barter. It is merely fun. Why can't someone have fun and memories in VEGAS????Is that now against the law? Is that against board rules? Is having fun at the places, restaurants and casinos advertised and talked about on this board so darn wrong
????????

SC15 you are excellent at throwing words out there that are twisted around and not accurate, that is not what I said, period.
Bac79=Hazardous Material and Chemical person correcting other's mistakes. Non AP'er, I can't count cards, low intelligence. Sprinkles magical dust on the cards. Has a lucky monkey. Baby also has a green one. Sum it up: "It's okay just blame me, it's all my fault"! ( No one believes me--so I chose to stop posting)
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March 17th, 2015 at 3:14:35 AM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

I said anywhere in Vegas you would like. I already Talked to my attorney and he agreed to hold/escrowed my $400.00 and yours. Meaning, that is $800.00 cash. WTF people, twist and turn, damn. Good lord. I can get comp'd a lot of places, if we do this at the Tropicana, sure I will go to Biscayne or Bacios (both great places) and cover your bill, AoS will have the cash---I Already said that. My money is up.

I sell nothing, zero, natta, zip, zilch, etc. I have no system to sell or barter. It is merely fun. Why can't someone have fun and memories in VEGAS????Is that now against the law? Is that against board rules? Is having fun at the places, restaurants and casinos advertised and talked about on this board so darn wrong
????????

SC15 you are excellent at throwing words out there that are twisted around and not accurate, that is not what I said, period.

What's the bet? What are you clamming you can do? How long before you bring out the monkey?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 17th, 2015 at 3:18:09 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Baccaratfrom79 Here's my offer.

First off I would love to watch you play high limit Baccarat and have fun. Drink tips within reason are on me. (I'm not tipping on bottles of dom or Cristal ) Depending on the limits I might even play. I'm not going to play high limit -EV games. perhaps $25 hands. Ill even follow your bets, if you prefer Ill bet opposite or not at all.

I hope I'm right when I think... if there's anyone on the forum that really does have the balls to actually show and back up what they are saying, it's you.
lets hop you're not the next Varmenti.

Most of these bets/ deals break down, it happens all the time. Guys like MaxSwell (or guys like the Laughlin IGT gaffed BJ machines) Let me call them the Voodoo people. The voodoo people start out with some outrageous claims of Voodoo/skill/systems they make promises or outrageous bet offers.

Once someone points out how big of an advantage it is for Mr skeptical, or whoever is willing to actually put their money where their mouth is. Mr Voodoo starts backtracking while trying to negotiating the odds down, down to a point where its now nothing but luck and a coin flip. What's the point? Or they make the terms impossible, they just make excuses and even disappear.

The guys who do stick around, and stick with their stories of winning betting systems, very rarely put their money where their mouth is. They use BS excuses "they don't want their secret systems exposed", even though proving such a thing would make them rich and famous. Usually it's guys who no one has ever seen, 10 to 1 they live in the basement.

If you strongly believe something works or something is out of whack, prove it by giving someone a significant advantage, especially since you are so dam confident it works. I have given people a 25% advantage over multiple bets when I felt confident. I have won many times until they submitted, even other AP's.

The point of making the funky monkey bet is to prove or disprove you, or your monkey can substantially change the odds in your favor.

People make ridiculous Voodoo gaming claims all the time. They are freerolling BS claims, eventually by pure luck someone guesses right. They claim victory along with an I told you so badge of honor. People here should have to back up silly claims that go against math and logic.

Another point of making a wager of this type is to sting the individuals involved when they are wrong and lose. A dinner comp that you get for free isn't going to cut it.
I have a feeling you would offer that no matter what, just to have a good time.

You claim to be a true gambler( a chance to show us what you got), you and have indicated you don't really give a monkeys ass about AP EV. You have lead us all to believe you are financially set, a high roller, betting/winning and losing thousands on baccarat.

So I challenge you to put your money where your monkey is. Come up with a realistic scenario where you offering a 50% advantage(someone can come up with something if you want, I have no clue what you are even clamming you can do, other than your monkey is magic or that you know when shoes are trending) let it be over more than 1 single hand/event. Since you claim it almost always works, given 3 or 4 trials you shouldn't have a problem overcoming the odds

Lets keep it friendly and within the 1k to 2k range.

Ill partner up with RS on the bet(if he will agree) If, I lose we can take my picture of me bowing to you and the monkey, I will admit your the best baccarat player I know (as long as my face and anything that can identify me is edited)

And you'll get paid whatever we wager. I will Ask if Mike the Wizard will hold the money. I have a felling we can even talk him into attending, if we offer him a nice dinner. However, if I win, you have to agree to never talk about monkey business or baccarat hot and cold streaks/voodoo again on the forum (after the final discussion of the event)

You can talk about baccarat wins and losses, but you just can't hot and cold streaks/voodoo mumbojumbo.

PS there's room for negotiating or adding something, but I'm not making love to your dam monkey.



A few things, I will answer the rest later. I have school to be in all day for training.

1) I got the tips, I always tip in cash not sign for it. I pride myself in tips and tip very well, a min of red chips and also green for tip to the waitress, she is usually standing there or within second there anyways. If you want you can, most don't. Better yet, I will just give her a couple black chips and she is good for the gaming session if my wife is going to drink, she can drink.

2) You want to switch to Mike to hold the money, it is fine also. I assume Mike is Wizard?? IDK? It's all good. If it is Wizard I will buy him dinner no matter what.

3) The wager is $400.00 to cover dinner. All you can drink in the casino, whatever. Dom, XO, frozen cocktails, Patron, I don't care. I don't want you to cry when you lose.

4) NO one makes love to the little monkey.
Bac79=Hazardous Material and Chemical person correcting other's mistakes. Non AP'er, I can't count cards, low intelligence. Sprinkles magical dust on the cards. Has a lucky monkey. Baby also has a green one. Sum it up: "It's okay just blame me, it's all my fault"! ( No one believes me--so I chose to stop posting)
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March 17th, 2015 at 3:52:58 AM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

A few things, I will answer the rest later. I have school to be in all day for training.

1) I got the tips, I always tip in cash not sign for it. I pride myself in tips and tip very well, a min of red chips and also green for tip to the waitress, she is usually standing there or within second there anyways. If you want you can, most don't. Better yet, I will just give her a couple black chips and she is good for the gaming session if my wife is going to drink, she can drink.

2) You want to switch to Mike to hold the money, it is fine also. I assume Mike is Wizard?? IDK? It's all good. If it is Wizard I will buy him dinner no matter what.

3) The wager is $400.00 to cover dinner. All you can drink in the casino, whatever. Dom, XO, frozen cocktails, Patron, I don't care. I don't want you to cry when you lose.

4) NO one makes love to the little monkey.

Only $400? Don't you bet thousands per hand on baccarat? $400 seems suspiciously low. I'm not bowing to a monkey for a $400 bet. Why $400, is that what the comp covers?

How much do you bet on average per hand? As I said i'm more interested in watching you risk 10's of thousands on Baccarat and seeing if you're monkey is legitimate.

No, no I didn't need dinner covered, just make it cash(besides you are free rolling our cash because you'll just charge it to the room or take the bill to the host and get reversed) Do CASH and let whoever is in on the bet do as they wish with it. I have had enough comps to last me a lifetime,, I can cover my own bill at dinner, I may even have comps at Tropicana, I have been to biscayne many times, I'm almost sick of it I would probably just have an appetizer. I took lem66to their before his BS welshing posts (I still think he was bored and just stirring up shit)

I still don't know what you claim you can do or what the true odds are.

When will you be in town? I'm not sure if ill be in town, especially not going to make a effort to make sure I'm available for a shot at $400 just for action on only a $400 bet, however If we can agree on the terms, I'm in, even if I'm not available as long as Mike, RS or someone who I trust can make it.

I don't care who holds the money I just don't want to go out of my way getting someone money all the way in NY. If AOS will be there He can hold it. Trust me if I make a bet with you you're getting paid. Ill ask Mission to hold it for me, he has done it before. He can confirm the money is available.

Ill get him money ASAP to show i'm serious in continuing That's ennest money until we have an agreement.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 17th, 2015 at 11:57:46 AM permalink
I just joined this board. However, been reading for couple years. Live in Henderson.

Will take this bet. I will show anywhere at anytime. Would like to have the bet resolved within 2 hours. Monkey used anytime within that period.
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March 17th, 2015 at 4:05:45 PM permalink
Honestly, this is a good deal if you're a vegas local.

You can sit there with B79 while he plays and drink dom/whatever on his comp, and then get a 90.5% chance of a free dinner on him on top of that.
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March 17th, 2015 at 4:21:58 PM permalink
Quote: sc15

Honestly, this is a good deal if you're a vegas local.

You can sit there with B79 while he plays and drink dom/whatever on his comp, and then get a 90.5% chance of a free dinner on him on top of that.


So the original deal was 2 out of 2 monkeys, right? So two consecutive 10s or face cards (I'm assuming when the side he's on is winning, and 2 0s will maintain that result). If I'm doing my math right...assuming infinite deck since it's 8 decks and just to make it easier:
16 monkeys in a deck, so 16/52 chance to get one...0.307692308

0.307692308*0.307692308 = .094674556

Yep looks like about a 90% shot for the monkey-opposer. I would do this for cash all day long, but I don't want to bow to the monkey if he pulls it off.

Also, it would be pretty easy to count down the face cards in a shoe, although with a 10% chance off the top, it would take a LOT of non-face cards to turn this one around. I'm not going to do the math on how many, but it would be pretty rare I'm guessing.
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