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thecesspit
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September 14th, 2013 at 1:31:55 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player


I know nothing of the sort. Why must it fail? You base your statement on the house edge and the yielding negative expectancy. But who's to say that it cannot be overcome with intelligently-planned play?



The mathematics, of course, show that intelligent play makes no difference. So, pretty much 90% of the posters here say 'it cannot be over come with intelligent play'. Many of those posters have pretty advanced knowledge of gaming systems. So, those people are saying it cannot be overcome with intelligent play.

Really, you have to show which axioms of basic probability you are rejecting to reject the notion that a series of negative expectation bets can make a positive expectation.

You can't do that, so naturally your ideas will be rejected here. Maybe we are all the fools, but you've made a very bad case for the 'intelligent play' apart from reproduce the gambler's fallacy multiple times, and then claim that you haven't fallen into that trap. Shrug, your loss or ours.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
egalite
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September 14th, 2013 at 1:45:36 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

If I wish to continue posting new threads in this forum, you are demanding me to "divulge my entire system, with specificity, so that it can be adequately challenged from a mathematical standpoint". Oh, and "in a meaningful way". What "meaningful way" might that be, pray tell? Would it be so you could all tear it assunder by simple application of your "mathematical standpoints"?

I think the message is; don't start new threads based on mysterious riddles, which are only created for "look at me, look at me", effect. Or did you really want to litter WOV with weekly trip reports telling everybody you won 6.25 units after tips with little else?

Quickly, trawl the GG archives for some new stuff to bring to the WOV, oops you tried that one already.
Then hows about a game of "guess what came next", I've heard rumours you're pretty good that. Hey 8 units off a shrinks bill could be a deal breaker!
egalite
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September 14th, 2013 at 1:52:21 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Hooray for Egalite....he finally got one right.

Doesn't take a genius to figure out, 5 days of no hear after a trip usually means one thing.

13.5 units should pay for at least the first session, consult the yellow pages, go for it my man.

Quote: gr8player

Never a glitch. I hit a few parlays (2- to 3-hole on the Player's side), picked up the easiest 8 units (after comm and tips) I could and returned to the Jets game for the end of the 2nd half.

All your doing is experiencing the common highs and lows that any regular gambler goes through. You've been at those tables for so long now, forgetting losses and not remembering losing parlay attempts has now become an art. So you win a few parlays, winning 8 bets and losing 14 is soon forgotten. Your getting carried away with the "here and now" conveniently forgetting the bigger picture, while claiming to have an edge. Therapy might help you clear the clouds.
egalite
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September 14th, 2013 at 2:12:25 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

"full-sized" units

WOW My Man awesome, I'm awestruck dude, I really am.
Beethoven9th
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September 14th, 2013 at 2:20:34 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

I think he's said no :)


Damn. ;)
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gr8player
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September 14th, 2013 at 2:51:50 PM permalink
Quote: egalite

....winning 8 bets and losing 14 is soon forgotten. Your getting carried away with the "here and now" conveniently forgetting the bigger picture



Never. I am an absolute nut about that...the "big picture" is EVERYTHING to me.

My losses are never forgotten; rather, they are recouped. Always. In my book, a win is not a win if it didn't cancel out any prior loss.

That's why limiting losses is paramount for my sort of play, for I must keep my recoups doable.

And when you're successful at recouping losses, you're left with your many (albeit smaller) many more "plus" sessions as profit.
Beethoven9th
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September 14th, 2013 at 2:58:21 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

My losses are never forgotten; rather, they are recouped.


Teacher, how long did it take you to win back the $250,000 that you lost at baccarat??
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EvenBob
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September 14th, 2013 at 4:07:03 PM permalink
Think on the positive side, GR8, Pierce said no
new threads, but you have dozens of old threads
you can revive that are all identical. Theoretically
you could continue here talking about nothing forever.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
AxelWolf
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September 14th, 2013 at 9:53:01 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146



Anyway, I'm going to ask that you desist with creating additional threads devoted to substantially the same subject matter for the time being until such time that you plan to divulge your entire system, with specificity, so that it can be adequately challenged, from a mathematical standpoint, .

I don't think one should have to prove anything with mathematics. Just simply prove you are beating the casinos continuously in a way that greatly defies the odds. Who knows perhaps he has stumbled onto some non random shuffle or something and even he dose not realize it. I have known seemingly crazy people claim they were seeing patterns in various video casino games. Only to find out later they were on to something because the machines were flawed.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
thecesspit
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September 15th, 2013 at 2:22:48 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I don't think one should have to prove anything with mathematics. Just simply prove you are beating the casinos continuously in a way that greatly defies the odds. Who knows perhaps he has stumbled onto some non random shuffle or something and even he dose not realize it. I have known seemingly crazy people claim they were seeing patterns in various video casino games. Only to find out later they were on to something because the machines were flawed.



You can show the flaw with mathematics (and in this case, show the advantage by rejecting the axiom that random means previous results don't affect the future).

Once we got into cross shoe statistical tracking, the interest completely wanes... if event X hasn't happened in 4 shoes, and usually happens every 5 shoes.... then... what? There's no possible correlation between the shoes. Whereas intra-shoe... it's just hugely unlikely rather than impossible.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829

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