Buzzard
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November 22nd, 2012 at 5:02:02 PM permalink
http://www.richardmunchkin.com/2011/12/dice-control-not.html
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boymimbo
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November 22nd, 2012 at 6:14:11 PM permalink
Interesting write up, but someone who tries to come across as a scientist is doing a very poor job.

However, when someone writes "empirical studies" show this, let's see the studies to back them up. You can't write anything with authority that quotes "studies" but doesn't reference the studies.

I haven't seen any studies that show that dice control is impossible, nor have I seen studies showing that dice control is possible either, for if there were ANY studies on dice control, they'd be splattered all over this forum.

So I say the guy's full of it. He may be right, and he may make decent arguments, but when you add "studies show" and don't link the study, it's really better to just write "I believe" and come off with more credibility.
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Buzzard
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November 22nd, 2012 at 6:15:56 PM permalink
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boymimbo
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November 22nd, 2012 at 6:18:54 PM permalink
Yeah, I will stand on the fence until I see a study one way or the other. My personal belief is that it's very close to not possible, and that it's a skill that only a very few people have, and to prove that they have it, they would have to throw an inordinate amount of trials so that the statistical analysis is such that it puts in no doubt of the skill that they have. In a real casino environment, that would take at least a year.
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waltomeal
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November 22nd, 2012 at 8:48:14 PM permalink
Buzz, I am sorry that I am not able to bank roll you to a very large start, but not having any potatoes which to give you, I am now going to stake you to some very valuable advice. One of these days in your travels, a guy is going to come to you and show you a nice, brand new deck of cards on which the seal has not yet been broken. This man is going to offer to bet you that he can make the jack of spades jump out of that deck and squirt cider in your ear. Now son, you do not take this bet, for as sure as you stand there, you are going to wind up with an earful of cider.
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24Bingo
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November 22nd, 2012 at 10:34:00 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

My personal belief is that it's very close to not possible, and that it's a skill that only a very few people have, and to prove that they have it, they would have to throw an inordinate amount of trials so that the statistical analysis is such that it puts in no doubt of the skill that they have. In a real casino environment, that would take at least a year.



The thing is, though, so long as they had a good grasp of risk management and a realistic upper estimate of their own ability, they'd have every incentive to do just that, and by rice on a chessboard become this century's Joseph Jagger. The fact that we haven't heard of anyone grinding their way up from $5 line bets to $10,000 and beyond tells me that if DI is possible, then either the secret hasn't been found, or its true discovery is very recent.
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Ahigh
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November 23rd, 2012 at 12:41:50 AM permalink
LOL. Yeah, you guys are the smart ones. You gotz it all figured out. MY BAD.

LOL. Written by none other than DICK MUNCH.

Hilarious.
FleaStiff
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November 23rd, 2012 at 5:50:19 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Interesting write up, but someone who tries to come across as a scientist is doing a very poor job.

If Dice Control took no time at all, the casinos would have no worries about it. Most controllers who run into heat do it for their delay not for winning.
Canyonero
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November 23rd, 2012 at 7:28:10 AM permalink
I think the article makes a few excellent points. Good enough that there is no need to pad it with bullsh*t, like "the amping nature of kinetic energy". However, I still find the substantial argument convincing. A roll of the dice on a flat surface is one thing, and may be influenced. But once the pyramids come into play, chaos reigns.

Morover, the experiment to conduct to find out about a reduced rate of sevens isn't that hard to do. If it could be done, there should be proof all over the web by now.


PS: Can I write bullsh*t in this forum? What about f**k?
Buzzard
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November 23rd, 2012 at 8:26:38 AM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

LOL. Yeah, you guys are the smart ones. You gotz it all figured out. MY BAD.

LOL. Written by none other than DICK MUNCH.

Hilarious.



And quoting some white guy named WONG. Who was the guru of dice setters before he saw the light !
Shed not for her the bitter tear Nor give the heart to vain regret Tis but the casket that lies here, The gem that filled it Sparkles yet

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