CRMousseau
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October 8th, 2012 at 8:59:34 PM permalink
Well, after a healthy degenerate streak in the PNW where I somehow failed to get a Royal Flush, this is the memory that will stick with me:

One guy who had a $3 unit, and about $40 behind him, got pocket aces and only made a 3x raise.

I've seen people check pocket aces here, and I suspect a number of you have too. So what makes this so special?

This casino has a promotion: get your aces cracked, win free money.

Current value of the "Aces Cracked"? $230

Clearly, I'm just overthinking things, but this is sticking in my craw like a crab fork. I mean.. HOW?! What is he POSSIBLY afraid of? Does he think he's going to win? If so, why is he not betting 4x? Does he think he's going to lose? If so, why is he not checking it to the river to maximize his Aces Cracked profit?
tringlomane
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October 8th, 2012 at 9:10:06 PM permalink
Haha. But there is definitely more leaky plays than this to be honest; however, this one definitely makes no sense. Honestly, I feel like the game designer should have got rid of the 3x raise since it's never used in optimal strategy and would simplify the game slightly.

If the creator of this game posts here, I would also like to mention that I think UTH is one of the best designed games in the past decade, imo, even with the redundant bet option. :)
Pacman
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October 8th, 2012 at 11:04:00 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Haha. But there is definitely more leaky plays than this to be honest; however, this one definitely makes no sense. Honestly, I feel like the game designer should have got rid of the 3x raise since it's never used in optimal strategy and would simplify the game slightly.

If the creator of this game posts here, I would also like to mention that I think UTH is one of the best designed games in the past decade, imo, even with the redundant bet option. :)


I was concerned players would shy away from making the 4x bet. Of course, it makes me wince whenever I see someone actually bet 3x.

--Roger
Paigowdan
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October 9th, 2012 at 12:25:10 AM permalink
I agree.
Tonight playing UTH at the Orleans, I've seen players check Ace-7 and KQ suited type hands, and check after safely connecting with the board, etc.
The way to really properly play this game is to bet correctly, especially concerning betting 4x every single time it is warranted. Other peeves include folding hands where amost certainly only the board would play, etc.
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NickyDim
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October 9th, 2012 at 5:26:19 AM permalink
Casual players of this game don't realize the real way to get ahead in this game is the 4x play. They are hoping for the full house to pay their trips, and they are not really playing the poker aspect of the game. Whenever I'm in a position of beating the dealer I'm looking to put as much up as possible. You have to, to stay ahead of the blind bet that sits out there until you lose, because getting paid on it once every 10 hands is not going to cover you 1x bet on the river.

Love this game, and right now it's a toss up between this and Texas hold'em Bonus. Getting paid bigger money for bigger hands is quite seductive, but I think for straight up poker head to head Bonus is a better game.
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Mosca
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October 9th, 2012 at 7:43:17 AM permalink
Quote: Pacman

I was concerned players would shy away from making the 4x bet. Of course, it makes me wince whenever I see someone actually bet 3x.

--Roger



You authored UTH? Great game, good work! I actually choose where I gamble based on whether or not UTH is offered. It is much easier to play and understand than THB.
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Mosca
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October 9th, 2012 at 7:50:00 AM permalink
Quote: NickyDim

Casual players of this game don't realize the real way to get ahead in this game is the 4x play. They are hoping for the full house to pay their trips, and they are not really playing the poker aspect of the game. Whenever I'm in a position of beating the dealer I'm looking to put as much up as possible. You have to, to stay ahead of the blind bet that sits out there until you lose, because getting paid on it once every 10 hands is not going to cover you 1x bet on the river.

Love this game, and right now it's a toss up between this and Texas hold'em Bonus. Getting paid bigger money for bigger hands is quite seductive, but I think for straight up poker head to head Bonus is a better game.



What most players don't realize when assessing the initial bet is that, unlike regular poker where they have to beat all players at the table, in UTH they only have to beat the dealer. Q-8 isn't a good hand among 5 hands, but it is pretty good in head-to-head.

Myself, I bet it 4x, even sometimes taking a deep breath first, because I was told it was the best strategy. When I saw it drawn out, that betting that extra unit when you were favored is the difference between it being a decent carnival game and a bad one, that reinforced my resolve to play that way without reserve.
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jml24
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October 9th, 2012 at 9:19:09 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

What most players don't realize when assessing the initial bet is that, unlike regular poker where they have to beat all players at the table, in UTH they only have to beat the dealer. Q-8 isn't a good hand among 5 hands, but it is pretty good in head-to-head.



A lot of casual poker players are very poor at heads up "real" poker, so I guess this is isn't too surprising. Dealers at this game tend to give wrong advice too. I think this is because they don't want the customers getting annoyed losing 4x.

I actually had a dealer at the D yelling at me for raising on hands like AQ, and she got really upset when I would raise 4x on K4s. It didn't help that she was hitting big hands left and right, thus confirming the "correctness" of her advice. She was telling me that the proper strategy is to raise 3x on AA or KK, check any other good hand, otherwise fold. Never raise 4x unless I really want to gamble. The worst part is that while I was getting spanked playing proper strategy another guy was winning big following her advice and hitting bonus bets. It's kind of amazing how casino employees have no concept of probability and variance.
Paigowdan
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October 9th, 2012 at 9:28:13 AM permalink
Quote: jml24

A lot of casual poker players are very poor at heads up "real" poker, so I guess this is isn't too surprising. Dealers at this game tend to give wrong advice too. I think this is because they don't want the customers getting annoyed losing 4x.

I actually had a dealer at the D yelling at me for raising on hands like AQ, and she got really upset when I would raise 4x on K4s. It didn't help that she was hitting big hands left and right, thus confirming the "correctness" of her advice. She was telling me that the proper strategy is to raise 3x on AA or KK, check any other good hand, otherwise fold. Never raise 4x unless I really want to gamble. The worst part is that while I was getting spanked playing proper strategy another guy was winning big following her advice and hitting bonus bets. It's kind of amazing how casino employees have no concept of probability and variance.


I tell dealers that I play my hand as I see fit: if they wish to play my hand, THEN they have to cover the loses.
For some dealers, players playing their own hands as they see fit against these dealers "beliefs" (regardless of whether the dealer is advising correct strategy or gobbledygook), is the punishment these dealers deserve. To them, it is like scratching fingernails across a chalkboard when they shouldn't care in the least.
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CRMousseau
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October 10th, 2012 at 1:16:28 AM permalink
Quote: Pacman

I was concerned players would shy away from making the 4x bet. Of course, it makes me wince whenever I see someone actually bet 3x.

--Roger



I can only imagine your reaction to what I witnessed twice this week: A player try and bet 2x preflop, and when the dealer said it was 3x or 4x preflop, they picked up their chips and checked.

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