It is going to be difficult to beat the simplicity and power of the Grossjean strategy. That is what I personally use.
Seconded. I can count the number of people I've seen play correct strategy on one hand. Even when I played with a game inventor (not at the WoV meetup), he was still betting pretty wildly. Roger should get a bonus, stock options, and a promotion for this game. (I think he probably already has.) One thing that is disappointing is seeing the deterioration of Trips paytables. (Did see a +E.V. progressive though recently at a very unexpected place.)Quote: CRMousseau
There's some two pair and kicker-on-board exceptions, of course. But I think these are largely the most important, especially the preflop. It continues to blow my mind how bad people play this game.
I was trying to learn this game for my upcoming trip to Vegas in March. I didn't want to start a new thread. So, I found this one and it seemed relevant so I added it here.
I'm having trouble with the Wizard's basic strategy on the small raise at the end with regard to the 21 out rule. I was hoping someone could clarify it for me. I practiced on the wizardofodds site to get a little better.
I'll give a couple of examples to illustrate things:
My cards were 10H and 3S. I get that it is too weak to make the big raise so I checked.
The flop was 6H 7C 6C. I didn't have a hidden pair ,4 to a flush or two pair, so I checked again.
The turn and river were KH and JD. Here's how I counted the outs. 4 Aces, 3 Kings, 4 Queens, 3 Jacks, 2 6s, and 3 7s. I get 19 outs there. So, my instinct was to call that. Was that the proper thinking according to the simple strategy? I understand it is a close call and the EV on perfect strategy might say to fold. Any thoughts?
My cards: 9S 2S....Check
Flop: 7D 8D QC...Check
turn and river: QD 7S......here is how i calculated the outs........4 aces, 4 kings, 2queens, 4 Jacks, 4 10s, and 3 8s.....I count 21 outs there. So, according to his strategy that is a fold, correct? Maybe, I'm overthinking it. But, I would like to get the basic Wizard strategy before moving on to a more complicated one.