dwheatley
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August 17th, 2012 at 5:07:34 AM permalink
Does anyone have a list of the most important Spanish 21 index plays? My casino is S17, no redouble. At the moment, I'm using a simple modified Hi-Lo count, where aces are -2.

Or, I could buy an old copy of Katarina Walker's book off of a forum member?
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teddys
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August 17th, 2012 at 6:42:02 AM permalink
I have a copy I'm willing to sell for a negotiable price. I paid $23 for it on Amazon.

The strategy and bankroll requirements are much too high-level for me. Great book, though.
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Ibeatyouraces
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August 17th, 2012 at 6:49:14 AM permalink
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teddys
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August 17th, 2012 at 6:53:55 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I practiced for months using my 6 deck blackjack shoe, minus the pip tens, with her strategy and proper betting and never once came close to being ahead. I'm a little suspect of it.

No disrespect, but I also know consistent winners on the game. She is a legit mathematician and I don't have any reason to doubt her methods. The Wizard cites her on the S21 page.

It helps if you have good games around to play. In the Eastern U.S., the good games are in Atlantic City, Ontario, some PA casinos, the two CT casinos (I think), and a couple places in Illinois and Indiana.
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August 17th, 2012 at 7:06:50 AM permalink
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Tiltpoul
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August 17th, 2012 at 3:58:41 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

One more thing. The count strategy is not as easy to learn as blackjack.



The conditional rules are a bear to learn too. I'm not familiar with the count strategy, but the 6-7-8 payoff probably warrants a look at, if you want to be successful.

I like Spanish 21, and most casinos in Indiana still S17 (except Hollywood in Lawrenceburg). Horseshoe Council Bluffs is the only casino I've played at that offers H17 with redouble, with redoubling up to three times.
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dwheatley
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August 23rd, 2012 at 6:46:07 AM permalink
Thanks for the offer teddys. I may or may not take you up on that, since I can get a similar deal for a new copy on Amazon, with free shipping if I order something else. I imagine the shipping costs would make our transaction infeasible.

I have written a simulation program to start calculating my own indices. I was surprised by how insensitive the play seems to be to the count. I thought once the count got high enough, borderline plays in BJ like 16 vs 10 would also turn to stand or surrender in Spanish21. But the indices are very high (at least for my level 2 count).

Does anyone who counts S21 know if this is true for all play decisions? Do I need an Ace side count to make good play decisions? Buy the book?
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strictlyAP
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August 23rd, 2012 at 7:16:43 AM permalink
just a thought dw wheatly you said in your post you want to buy one off a member why would you even make that statement if you really have no interest in buying off teddy and I sense you were looking for a free one instead?
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Ayjacks
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October 29th, 2015 at 4:57:06 PM permalink
any way i could get some help with obtaining a simulation program for spanish 21?
teddys
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October 29th, 2015 at 5:09:55 PM permalink
Quote: Ayjacks

any way i could get some help with obtaining a simulation program for spanish 21?



https://www.qfit.com/
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