FleaStiff
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June 19th, 2012 at 5:20:18 PM permalink
John Katsilometes of LV Sun reports the number 19 hit seven times at a roulette wheel, then 15, then 19 again.

"Before we specify what this statistic is based on, the odds of it happening are 114 billion to 1. Those are the odds against a roulette wheel hitting the same number on seven consecutive spins." Poker player Jeff Romano took a photo of a roulette wheel display screen showing the No. 19 hitting on seven straight spins. The string was broken when the wheel landed on 15, then hit 19 once more for a run of eight 19s in nine spins.

The website Beyond the Bets crunched the numbers and calculated the odds.
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June 19th, 2012 at 5:21:16 PM permalink
So how many were at The Rio at 8:32pm on Monday?
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June 19th, 2012 at 5:22:13 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

John Katsilometes of LV Sun reports the number 19 hit seven times at a roulette wheel, then 15, then 19 again.

"Before we specify what this statistic is based on, the odds of it happening are 114 billion to 1. Those are the odds against a roulette wheel hitting the same number on seven consecutive spins." Poker player Jeff Romano took a photo of a roulette wheel display screen showing the No. 19 hitting on seven straight spins. The string was broken when the wheel landed on 15, then hit 19 once more for a run of eight 19s in nine spins.

The website Beyond the Bets crunched the numbers and calculated the odds.



Somebody isn't working roulette for a while, that is if there was a lot of money made off of this.
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June 19th, 2012 at 5:24:42 PM permalink
I have it on good authority that this story was a plant. It was supposed to co0incide with DJTeddyBear's unveiling of his
Poker For Roulette. Some publicity agent will be in hot water over this !
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June 19th, 2012 at 5:26:57 PM permalink
I don't remember the roulette hit boards that are at Rio, but I know some of the older ones will SHOW a 19 being hit 5-6 times in a row, because the sensor is broken. It still could happen, obviously, but I know I've seen boards where a number is shown the same, but then jumps one or occasionally gets one right.
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June 19th, 2012 at 5:33:24 PM permalink
Rio is where I saw 21 reds in a row, one black, then
10 more reds. Odd...
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June 19th, 2012 at 5:35:22 PM permalink
LV Sun and also the sports book site cited above have the photo that was tweeted by the poker player. Does it appear to be an older and malfunctioning annunciator? It is reported CET was unaware of the incident and I hardly think they would have been unaware of it if it happened. They might not want to comment on it but they would have known about it.
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June 19th, 2012 at 5:43:53 PM permalink
Here is the link...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/kats-report/2012/jun/19/rio-wheel-reportedly-hits-seven-straight-19s-and-y/?hpk

I had a dealer in K.C. tell me last year that he hit a number six straight spins. Said he called for the wheel to be checked after the first four hit, then hit it twice more. I tended to believe him. Straight shooter who does tend to repeat his numbers.
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June 19th, 2012 at 5:46:21 PM permalink
Quote: midwestgb

Here is the link...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/kats-report/2012/jun/19/rio-wheel-reportedly-hits-seven-straight-19s-and-y/?hpk

I had a dealer in K.C. tell me last year that he hit a number six straight spins. Said he called for the wheel to be checked after the first four hit, then hit it twice more. I tended to believe him. Straight shooter who does tend to repeat his numbers.



That's probably a malfunctioning tally board. I've seen those styles malfunction ALL the time. With the sequence of 20s following, I have to believe that.
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June 19th, 2012 at 5:47:20 PM permalink
Quote: midwestgb

Here is the link...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/kats-report/2012/jun/19/rio-wheel-reportedly-hits-seven-straight-19s-and-y/?hpk

I had a dealer in K.C. tell me last year that he hit a number six straight spins. Said he called for the wheel to be checked after the first four hit, then hit it twice more. I tended to believe him. Straight shooter who does tend to repeat his numbers.



wow. 4 20s in 6 spins before the 19 run isn't exactly common, either...
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June 19th, 2012 at 5:53:01 PM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul

That's probably a malfunctioning tally board. I've seen those styles malfunction ALL the time. With the sequence of 20s following, I have to believe that.



Interesting point. What is the probability the same number would appear via random tally board error seven consecutive times... The same? ;-)
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June 19th, 2012 at 5:54:26 PM permalink
On reflection, I would tend to agree that it is an annunciator malfunction since anyone who snapped a shot of the annunciator would also have likely snapped a mass of frenzied bettors five deep around the table at the time.

Sorry I posted this but don't think it should be deleted.
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June 19th, 2012 at 5:58:08 PM permalink
Quote: midwestgb

Interesting point. What is the probability the same number would appear via random tally board error seven consecutive times... The same? ;-)



When those particular tally boards make a mistake, there isn't a rhyme or reason to it. Sometimes, one hit of 19 will show up 5-6 times, sometimes just once. Sometimes the board will clear after a number hits... they operate on older sensors and malfunction much more often than the newer ones.
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June 19th, 2012 at 6:06:04 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

John Katsilometes of LV Sun reports the number 19 hit seven times at a roulette wheel, then 15, then 19 again.

"Before we specify what this statistic is based on, the odds of it happening are 114 billion to 1. Those are the odds against a roulette wheel hitting the same number on seven consecutive spins." Poker player Jeff Romano took a photo of a roulette wheel display screen showing the No. 19 hitting on seven straight spins. The string was broken when the wheel landed on 15, then hit 19 once more for a run of eight 19s in nine spins.

The website Beyond the Bets crunched the numbers and calculated the odds.




GREAT !!! I would of made nice money if I was on that table.

Ken
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June 19th, 2012 at 6:19:50 PM permalink
Once while playing craps a downtown casino, we noticed that the roulette table had an insane streak of 0s and 00s. I went over to make a bet, and the ball dropped into some number, and it wasn't recorded. I watched a bit, and it turns out only the 0s and 00s were being recorded to the display. Probably what is going on here.
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June 20th, 2012 at 6:38:56 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

On reflection, I would tend to agree that it is an annunciator malfunction since anyone who snapped a shot of the annunciator would also have likely snapped a mass of frenzied bettors five deep around the table at the time.
Sorry I posted this but don't think it should be deleted.


Most news outlets and gambling boards carrying this story are expressing some doubt or emphasizing that the photo was snapped by a poker player who was simply passing by and spotted the annunciator and its unusual display.

I've no idea if a casino would examine the wheel or not, but I do know that the photo would have revealed frenzied activity at the table and high interest at the nearby craps table where everyone appears rather bored and unconcerned.

Conclusion: annunciator panel error.
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June 20th, 2012 at 7:53:58 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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June 20th, 2012 at 8:12:02 PM permalink
probably testing their neodymium magnets
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June 20th, 2012 at 8:16:08 PM permalink
Interesting. Why didn't I think of that. Oh wait....I did. In our other thread on this topic, 5 hours ago. lol



https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10277-seven-19s-in-a-row-at-rio-monday-night/2/#post157211
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June 20th, 2012 at 8:16:12 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

On a news report I just watched, according to the Rio, this happened during a diagnostics test and wasn't real. The table was closed with nobody playing.

The fact that the table was empty is kind of a give away.
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June 21st, 2012 at 12:09:46 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

John Katsilometes of LV Sun reports the number 19 hit seven times at a roulette wheel, then 15, then 19 again.



As several surmised, this was an issue with the display/sensor.

Here's more information:

Glad this happened, as it gave me an excuse to find this board. I wanna play.
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June 21st, 2012 at 12:14:59 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Rio is where I saw 21 reds in a row, one black, then
10 more reds. Odd...



Then Rio must have a REALLY good wheel. Only truly random wheels would exhibit odd behaviors, right?
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June 21st, 2012 at 1:24:02 AM permalink
Summary:
The "amazing incident" never actually took place.
The table was in use at the time, according to later press releases, but its clear there was no frenzied activity or large crowd.
The annunciator was in error but it was not the result of any testing or repair attempts.

The press release downplayed the role of the display panel to the game itself and noticeably glossed over any obligation of the casino that chooses to provide a display to provide an accurate display or even reasonably accurate display.

Several members of this forum have commented that displays at the Rio have been noticeably errant for a long time.

Result: Cash strapped CET(Harrahs) is engaging in deferred maintenance and when problems occur they will issue press releases and apply whitewash, but not swift and effective remedial actions. Carpets, elevators, paint, food service, ... CET is selling off assets but can't find buyers, in the interim... there will be memos and whitewash until either "The Miracle" occurs or "The Default" occurs.
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