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Marcusclark66
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December 26th, 2021 at 9:44:20 AM permalink
I placed $5,000.00 on the Vikings and got +3.5 points a bit ago.

Hopefully this will recover $5k from my $8k loss yesterday.

Thanks to my support peers and friendly PMs I received :) I sincerely do appreciate those.

Game starts in a few minutes, bring it on.
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Mission146
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December 26th, 2021 at 9:52:07 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

I placed $5,000.00 on the Vikings and got +3.5 points a bit ago.

Hopefully this will recover $5k from my $8k loss yesterday.

Thanks to my support peers and friendly PMs I received :) I sincerely do appreciate those.

Game starts in a few minutes, bring it on.
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How will it recover $5,000? My concern for you is that I'm unsure of whether or not you even grasp the rudiments of sports betting. If you got the Vikings +3.5, then you almost certainly had to lay something to get it.
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December 26th, 2021 at 10:01:45 AM permalink
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How will it recover $5,000? My concern for you is that I'm unsure of whether or not you even grasp the rudiments of sports betting. If you got the Vikings +3.5, then you almost certainly had to lay something to get it.



And this goes back to unJon's point about explaining the -4 point line from yesterday. If he really got a -4 point line, he would have had to "buy" points or used some sort of alternative line which would have cost far more than the normal vig, which would have him down significantly more than $8000.

I mean he has made no mention of the normal vig, repeating that he lost $8000 yesterday, instead of $8800 (normal vig). It just comes across that MC has no to little idea of what he is talking about.

But now he is going to start chasing his losses. That always works!
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December 26th, 2021 at 10:03:34 AM permalink
I should also respectfully submit that we don't need a new thread for every individual day of your NFL betting, though that's entirely up to the Administrators here.

There are any number of threads that this could be added to, including the General Sports Talk thread or your thread for yesterday's bets. Alternatively, you could also ask that these be consolidated into a new (single) thread where you can detail your NFL betting.

Obviously, you're not under any requirement (that I am aware of) to prove that you have actually made any of the bets that you claim to have made, but particularly without any such requirement, I can't envision any reason that each bet (or day) should have its own thread.
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December 26th, 2021 at 10:03:35 AM permalink
I got -115 if that quenches your thirst to find out my wagering deal.
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December 26th, 2021 at 10:05:25 AM permalink
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And this goes back to unJon's point about explaining the -4 point line from yesterday. If he really got a -4 point line, he would have had to "buy" points or used some sort of alternative line which would have cost far more than the normal vig, which would have him down significantly more than $8000.

I mean he has made no mention of the normal vig, repeating that he lost $8000 yesterday, instead of $8800 (normal vig). It just comes across that MC has no to little idea of what he is talking about.

But now he is going to start chasing his losses. That always works!
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I was going to wait for MarcusClark to answer for himself on that one, but yes, that is the obvious answer in the event that he was able to get a -4 line...either that or a particular book having a VERY faulty line (unlikely) or a sportsbook doing him a personal favor (even more unlikely).

It also seems like a weird spread to buy your way to, at least, in my opinion. Why -4?
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Mission146
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December 26th, 2021 at 10:06:27 AM permalink
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I got -115 if that quenches your thirst to find out my wagering deal.
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You reported it; not me. I saw both -115 and -125, so that's why I asked. If it's -anything, then obviously, you are not going to win $5,000 by betting $5,000...I was simply trying to help you out by making sure you actually knew that.
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December 26th, 2021 at 10:17:12 AM permalink
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I got -115 if that quenches your thirst to find out my wagering deal.
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You reported it; not me. I saw both -115 and -125, so that's why I asked. If it's -anything, then obviously, you are not going to win $5,000 by betting $5,000...I was simply trying to help you out by making sure you actually knew that.
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Yes I absolutely know I would not win a full $5,000.00 if the Vikings win.
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December 26th, 2021 at 10:18:45 AM permalink
By the way, the, "To Win," should appear on your ticket. If not, or if you want to know how much you stand to win on a given bet amount without asking, just do this:

5000 * (100/115) = 4347.82608696

Thus, you should stand to profit either $4,347.82 or $4,347.83 in the event that you cover.
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December 26th, 2021 at 10:21:09 AM permalink
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Yes I absolutely know I would not win a full $5,000.00 if the Vikings win.
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That's good. In your OP, you said:

Quote: Marcusclark66

I placed $5,000.00 on the Vikings and got +3.5 points a bit ago.

Hopefully this will recover $5k from my $8k loss yesterday.

Thanks to my support peers and friendly PMs I received :) I sincerely do appreciate those.

Game starts in a few minutes, bring it on.
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Thus, I just wanted to make sure that you knew that you would not actually recover 5k of yesterday's losses, because that is not how having to lay works. I hope that you don't see a difference of several hundred dollars as being nitpicking, whatever the case, I posted that to help you.
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Marcusclark66
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December 26th, 2021 at 10:25:22 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Quote: Marcusclark66

I got -115 if that quenches your thirst to find out my wagering deal.
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You reported it; not me. I saw both -115 and -125, so that's why I asked. If it's -anything, then obviously, you are not going to win $5,000 by betting $5,000...I was simply trying to help you out by making sure you actually knew that.
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To be exact I should get back $4,347.00.
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December 26th, 2021 at 10:26:57 AM permalink
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Yes I absolutely know I would not win a full $5,000.00 if the Vikings win.
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That's good. In your OP, you said:

Quote: Marcusclark66

I placed $5,000.00 on the Vikings and got +3.5 points a bit ago.

Hopefully this will recover $5k from my $8k loss yesterday.

Thanks to my support peers and friendly PMs I received :) I sincerely do appreciate those.

Game starts in a few minutes, bring it on.
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Thus, I just wanted to make sure that you knew that you would not actually recover 5k of yesterday's losses, because that is not how having to lay works. I hope that you don't see a difference of several hundred dollars as being nitpicking, whatever the case, I posted that to help you.
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No I don’t and it is kinda substantial.

But I did tell and post yesterday, I wager little football.
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December 26th, 2021 at 11:17:08 AM permalink
When the fun stops, start betting progressively more until it’s fun again. Skol!!!
Mission146
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December 26th, 2021 at 11:34:20 AM permalink
In any event, please feel free to check out the Playoff Picks Game thread and jump in if you want to play that. That goes for everyone, of course. It's a complete free roll, so anyone who likes +EV should be all over it.
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December 26th, 2021 at 12:21:11 PM permalink
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Marcusclark66
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December 26th, 2021 at 1:05:19 PM permalink
3 and 3 in football. 3 picks 3 losses.

Done with football wagering.

Well, maybe one more but almost done.
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December 26th, 2021 at 1:07:26 PM permalink
Your hypothetical baccarat winnings still outshine your hypothetical football losses though, right?
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December 26th, 2021 at 1:24:44 PM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

3 and 3 in football.

Done with football wagering.

Well, maybe one more but almost done.
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What were the three wins? All of your Picks posted the last two days lost. Don’t feel bad, my confidence pick missed by 1.5 and I’m 2-2 in the Picks Game this week.
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December 26th, 2021 at 1:29:16 PM permalink
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3 and 3 in football.

Done with football wagering.

Well, maybe one more but almost done.
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What were the three wins? All of your Picks posted the last two days lost. Don’t feel bad, my confidence pick missed by 1.5 and I’m 2-2 in the Picks Game this week.
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3 picks and 3 losses.
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December 26th, 2021 at 1:34:26 PM permalink
Mission beat me to it. I was going to ask where were these 3 wins? Is this something you picked and posted before the games, or is this one of those attempts to alter the record AFTER the fact.

I got to say, your behavior throughout these football pick threads of the past 2 days is astonishing. Nothing we all haven't seen before but just still astonishing, nevertheless. Can I ask, what exactly is it that you are trying or hoping to prove?
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December 26th, 2021 at 1:42:43 PM permalink
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Mission beat me to it. I was going to ask where were these 3 wins? Is this something you picked and posted before the games, or is this one of those attempts to alter the record AFTER the fact.

I got to say, your behavior throughout these football pick threads of the past 2 days is astonishing. Nothing we all haven't seen before but just still astonishing, nevertheless. Can I ask, what exactly is it that you are trying or hoping to prove?
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Who altered the record?

I picked, wagered and posted.

I lost all 3.

The only people that altered or changed picks are those other than myself. I made it very clear whom I wagered on.

Again picked 3, wagered 3, lost all 3 wagers.
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December 26th, 2021 at 1:46:30 PM permalink
The confusion likely stemmed from, “Three and three in football,” a bettor would typically use that sort of vernacular to mean he/she won three and lost three.
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December 26th, 2021 at 1:50:43 PM permalink
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The confusion likely stemmed from, “Three and three in football,” a bettor would typically use that sort of vernacular to mean he/she won three and lost three.
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I made a mistake, so big friggin deal!!!

I picked 3 and lost every single one.

I wasn’t aware the whole country has to talk the same. But hey I am a loser at football wagering, why should I know the lingo?
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December 26th, 2021 at 1:54:24 PM permalink
Thank you for clarifying Marcus. Generally, when you pick 3 and lose 3, it is described as 0-3, not 3-3.
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December 26th, 2021 at 1:54:41 PM permalink
I understood what you meant with 3 and 3, Marcus.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
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December 26th, 2021 at 1:58:05 PM permalink
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Quote: Mission146

The confusion likely stemmed from, “Three and three in football,” a bettor would typically use that sort of vernacular to mean he/she won three and lost three.
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I made a mistake, so big friggin deal!!!

I picked 3 and lost every single one.

I wasn’t aware the whole country has to talk the same. But hey I am a loser at football wagering, why should I know the lingo?
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Yeah, exactly, I was just explaining where the confusion likely came from. No need to be defensive.
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December 26th, 2021 at 1:59:47 PM permalink
I’m pissed I lost money. Simple.
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December 26th, 2021 at 2:10:53 PM permalink
Stick to baccarat.
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December 26th, 2021 at 2:34:51 PM permalink
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I’m pissed I lost money. Simple.
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No bet; no loss. Quit now and enjoy the money you have left.

It’s tough not to be angry, but you should ask yourself, “Will I be upset if I lose this,” before making the bet. If the answer is yes, then don’t make the bet.

It’s a lesson that we’ve all learned at least once and sometimes have to be reminded of.
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December 26th, 2021 at 2:58:03 PM permalink
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I got -115 if that quenches your thirst to find out my wagering deal.
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You reported it; not me. I saw both -115 and -125, so that's why I asked. If it's -anything, then obviously, you are not going to win $5,000 by betting $5,000...I was simply trying to help you out by making sure you actually knew that.
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Yes I absolutely know I would not win a full $5,000.00 if the Vikings win.
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Suggestions for any future sports betting posts:
. Start a single thread and call it something like "My NFL Bets This Season" (or similar)
. State what you can win or lose on each bet
. Posting the odds is optional, but recommended (most people can work out what the odds were if you post the "potential win vs potential loss", so that is why it is optional)
. Keep a running total of your profit or loss
. Post the number of Wins vs Losses figure as well
. Except for the optional point, these are what I would consider a bare minimum, for a good "sports betting thread ".

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Suggestions for any future sports bets, if you want to lean towards being "more professional than recreational ":
. Never bet more than 5% of your current funds you have set aside for sports wagering (I would personally consider betting 2% to 3% on "even money like" wagers, and up to 5% on odds of -2000 or worse)
. Don't be tempted to "chase losses" or "chase winning streaks" either, instead bet a flat % of your "current sports wagering funds"
. Shop around for the best odds when betting money line, and the best overall value when betting ATS (seems obvious, but there are plenty of people that don't do this).
. Form you own opinion by doing plenty of research (I would personally study the info in the links below, as a bare minimum )

https://www.espn.com
https://www.albionresearch.com/tools/kelly
https://wizardofodds.com/games/sports-betting/
https://www.vegasinsider.com/
https://www.pinnacle.com/en/betting-articles/Football/pythagorean-theorem-betting-strategy/KMA2RVXF92Z7C288
https://www.aussportstipping.com/sports/nfl/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nfl-predictions/
http://www.asapindex.com/formpredictor/af/nfl2018.html
https://www.sportsinsights.com/

Note: With pinnacle, there are plenty of other articles that are a good read for both the recreational and professional punter, but I think this is one of the better ones.

Note 2: With sportsinsights, I think it is worth it to sign up and pay for it.

Note 3: With aussporttipping, most of the resources on the right-hand side of the page are useful.

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Hope this was helpful, and good luck.
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December 26th, 2021 at 4:03:38 PM permalink
Marcus…. I am just guesstimating…. But a casino security guy almost surely makes less than $3k a week (before taxes!) and you are betting $3-5k on three games each with nothing other than an idea that you hope to win? Whether you had that money due to hard work, stimulus checks, baccarat winnings, inheritance, whatever…. an educated guy like you decided to make random football bets for more than you make in a week?
Why?
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December 26th, 2021 at 5:27:41 PM permalink
Tough loss
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December 26th, 2021 at 5:41:24 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Marcus…. I am just guesstimating…. But a casino security guy almost surely makes less than $3k a week (before taxes!) and you are betting $3-5k on three games each with nothing other than an idea that you hope to win? Whether you had that money due to hard work, stimulus checks, baccarat winnings, inheritance, whatever…. an educated guy like you decided to make random football bets for more than you make in a week?
Why?
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Because I got greedy from my niche…….baccarat.

Where I learned what it takes to win more than lose.
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December 27th, 2021 at 11:14:56 AM permalink
Can you please start posting your picks or DMing them to me? I'd love to fade you and make some pure win money!

I would however like to have my picks before the 2nd qtr so I can get them in.

This definitely seems like a +EV opportunity, as you are laying extra juice and still losing so I'd be getting more for my money.

Let me know!
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