The money came from my baccarat bankroll.
Packers 21
Browns 12
I can’t stand the dragging out it all takes.
End of the 3rd going into the 4th.
Packers 24
Browns 15
Maybe you could give us your predictions on last week's games as well.....now that they are over :/
Quote: Marcusclark66Excuse me, but I do believe I posted slightly after it started and it was not near or at half time by far. And even if I am off on when I posted first on the times you’re telling me games are not lost or won within a quarter or a section of a quarter?
Look at the time stamps of the posts. 8 minutes and 16 seconds apart. Meaning you posted your wager of -4 points late in the 2nd quarter when the Packers were already leading 21-12. There is no dispute.
At issue isn't that games can be won or lost at any time. But announcing a wager at nearly halftime, when you are significantly ahead, is pretty dishonest. That is not meant as an insult. It is a fact backed up by time stamps. And it does nothing except subtract from your credibility.
And if I win the Packers game my $4,000.00 win will be parlayed to the Cardinals for a total of $8,000.00 wager. If the Packers lose, I am now committed to the $4k on the Cardinals.
Quote: kewljQuote: Marcusclark66Excuse me, but I do believe I posted slightly after it started and it was not near or at half time by far. And even if I am off on when I posted first on the times you’re telling me games are not lost or won within a quarter or a section of a quarter?
Look at the time stamps of the posts. 8 minutes and 16 seconds apart. Meaning you posted your wager of -4 points late in the 2nd quarter when the Packers were already leading 21-12. There is no dispute.
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Yeah but if it’s with a hypothetical second baccarat bankroll that cancels out whatever you’re trying to question. Or something.
Quote: kewljQuote: Marcusclark66Excuse me, but I do believe I posted slightly after it started and it was not near or at half time by far. And even if I am off on when I posted first on the times you’re telling me games are not lost or won within a quarter or a section of a quarter?
Look at the time stamps of the posts. 8 minutes and 16 seconds apart. Meaning you posted your wager of -4 points late in the 2nd quarter when the Packers were already leading 21-12. There is no dispute.
At issue isn't that games can be won or lost at any time. But announcing a wager at nearly halftime, when you are significantly ahead, is pretty dishonest. That is not meant as an insult. It is a fact backed up by time stamps. And it does nothing except subtract from your credibility.
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Point made.
I see no basis for believing that Marcus is attempting to build a reputation for shrewd picking of NFL games. He is not subject to anybody's rules for claiming a sports wagering track record. He just seems to be celebrating a winning sports bet. It's Christmas Day. I suggest we display some charity and good cheer.
Happy Holidays to both MarcusClarke and kewlj!
Packers suck!
Due to a loss in the Packers game I must offer the following:
Bankroll Update & Status Report
Baccarat Bankroll. Currently it is $64,000.00. It was $68,000.00 before removing the $4k and wager it on the Packers with -4 points. Deduction of $4,000.00. And once again, it is entirely 100% pure win money, every single last cent of it, which is still my super off the wall ecstasy comfy zone when I am at the table playing, PURE WIN MONEY, pure in every physical and literal sense.
Blackjack Bankroll untouched. Currently it is $20,000.00 as I put back the cash I took from it the other night as well. By the way, my blackjack bankroll is also, 100% PURE WIN MONEY, down to the very last penny and it is also a form of ecstasy in many ways as well.
Quote: Marcusclark66I took Packers with a -4 for $4,000.00 wager last night.
The money came from my baccarat bankroll.
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What odds did you have to accept to get -4? The line has been -7/-7.5 all week.
Quote: billryanI'm not sure you understand bankrolls. If you are using part of it to bet football, you don't have a baccarat bankroll. You have a bankroll.
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I borrowed it from my dedicated baccarat bankroll.
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What odds did you have to accept to get -4? The line has been -7/-7.5 all week.
A good source for line movement is Vegas Insider which lists all the major sportsbook, both in Las Vegas and offshore, what the lines started at and what they moved to.
https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
As unJon said, the Green Bay line has been -7/7.5 all week right up until game time. As a matter of fact, the half time line (-4.5) was higher than what was claimed in this thread.
I am not saying this specific to this incident, but 2 of the things that guys (no one specific) who post on forums, trying to impress people with their picks do is, 1) post their picks after the game has started, usually after their wager is currently covering and 2.) claim a lower line (or higher if taking the points) than is/was really available, particularly if they can alter their line through one of the key numbers of 7 or 3. Example a line is -7.5 and someone posts they have xxx team -6.5 avoiding that key number of 7.
Strangely both these occurred in the claims in this thread. Make of that what you will. It all really comes down to credibility.
Just wondering?
Thanks.
Quote: Marcusclark66Quote: billryanI'm not sure you understand bankrolls. If you are using part of it to bet football, you don't have a baccarat bankroll. You have a bankroll.
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I borrowed it from my dedicated baccarat bankroll.
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That would suggest a problem regarding "dedicated".
Not trying to beat you up, Marcus. Just siding with "bankroll" rather than "baccarat bankroll".
Quote: Marcusclark66Aren’t you the member that writes on most all of the forums with varying personalities and claims?
Just wondering?
Thanks.
Varying personalities? No. I have shared my journey of supporting myself from card counting and AP play on several forums for 15 years now, yes. One handle. One personality. Your "varying personality" comment seems like a veiled insult to me, but I am not asking for any ruling or action. Merry Xmas.
As far as claims, you can claim whatever you like. 88k bankroll built from -EV play. That is fine on this forum. I am not challenging it, nor expressing my doubt which is apparently not allowed either. But if you post that you made a wager, at almost halftime of the game in question, that you are covering significantly at the time AND the line does not match the reality of what was available, I am within my right to point that out.
Anyway, better "luck" with your Cardinal's wager. Would be a shame to lose 10% of your bankroll on Christmas day. LoL.
Quote: DieterQuote: Marcusclark66Quote: billryanI'm not sure you understand bankrolls. If you are using part of it to bet football, you don't have a baccarat bankroll. You have a bankroll.
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I borrowed it from my dedicated baccarat bankroll.
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That would suggest a problem regarding "dedicated".
Not trying to beat you up, Marcus. Just siding with "bankroll" rather than "baccarat bankroll".
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I did vary from it today, yes I did. But that is where the cash came from so I have to account for it. Not I had $68k and I’m adjusting it to $64k or $60k for other reasons, etc.
Quote: kewljQuote: Marcusclark66Aren’t you the member that writes on most all of the forums with varying personalities and claims?
Just wondering?
Thanks.
Anyway, better "luck" with your Cardinal's wager. Would be a shame to lose 10% of your bankroll on Christmas day. LoL.
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Christmas wish?
Merry Xmas.
Cardinals suck!
Due to a loss in the Cardinals game I must offer the following:
Bankroll Update & Status Report
Baccarat Bankroll. Currently it is $60,000.00. It was $64,000.00 before removing the $4k and wager it on the Cardinals with -3 points. Deduction of $4,000.00. However & But once again, it is entirely 100% pure win money, every single last cent of it, which is still my super off the wall ecstasy comfy zone when I am at the table playing, PURE WIN MONEY, pure in every physical and literal sense. All $60,000.00 of it!
Blackjack Bankroll pure and completely untouched. Currently it is $20,000.00 as I put back the cash I took from it the other night as well. By the way, my blackjack bankroll is also, 100% PURE WIN MONEY, down to the very last penny and it is also a form of ecstasy in many ways as well.
$8,000.00 flushed down the drain!
As you know I work in security and I have witnessed countless people win and lose at casino properties. But I will tell you something here and now, I never have laughed at anyone for losing their funds and most certainly never will.
And if I’m not mistaken, “LOL” means just that.
Quote: Marcusclark66Quote: kewlj
Anyway, better "luck" with your Cardinal's wager. Would be a shame to lose 10% of your bankroll on Christmas day. LoL.
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Christmas wish?
Merry Xmas.
Nope! I didn't have money on the game but as an Eagles fan had an interest in seeing the Colts lose as that would benefit the Eagles. So I was rooting for the Cardinals. I also am generally pro-player and hope all players do well against casinos.
Sorry for your double loss. Hopefully you enjoyed the holiday anyway.
Quote: unJonQuote: Marcusclark66I took Packers with a -4 for $4,000.00 wager last night.
The money came from my baccarat bankroll.
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What odds did you have to accept to get -4? The line has been -7/-7.5 all week.
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What’s the answer to my question?
If you do not believe me or you detest my winnings because of WoV and some of it’s fine members who did contribute to my knowledge and gambling choices that led me to my 2 bankrolls I have, please block my name.
Thank you for your points and your challenges that are not fair to my anonymity and confidentiality as to where I work and have an established career.
Merry Christmas and Happy Upcoming New Year.
Quote: Marcusclark66I wager in person and I am not going to jeopardize the entity I wager with.
If you do not believe me or you detest my winnings because of WoV and some of it’s fine members who did contribute to my knowledge and gambling choices that led me to my 2 bankrolls I have, please block my name.
Thank you for your points and your challenges that are not fair to my anonymity and confidentiality as to where I work and have an established career.
Merry Christmas and Happy Upcoming New Year.
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You haven’t answered my question. It doesn’t require you jeopardizing the emerita you wager with.
If you can't redact suitably, I can confidentially review and validate.
Quote: Marcusclark66There goes another $4,000.00 from my bankroll.
Cardinals suck!
Due to a loss in the Cardinals game I must offer the following:
Bankroll Update & Status Report
Baccarat Bankroll. Currently it is $60,000.00. It was $64,000.00 before removing the $4k and wager it on the Cardinals with -3 points. Deduction of $4,000.00. However & But once again, it is entirely 100% pure win money, every single last cent of it, which is still my super off the wall ecstasy comfy zone when I am at the table playing, PURE WIN MONEY, pure in every physical and literal sense. All $60,000.00 of it!
Blackjack Bankroll pure and completely untouched. Currently it is $20,000.00 as I put back the cash I took from it the other night as well. By the way, my blackjack bankroll is also, 100% PURE WIN MONEY, down to the very last penny and it is also a form of ecstasy in many ways as well.
$8,000.00 flushed down the drain!
As you know I work in security and I have witnessed countless people win and lose at casino properties. But I will tell you something here and now, I never have laughed at anyone for losing their funds and most certainly never will.
And if I’m not mistaken, “LOL” means just that.
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It would seem that you lost north of 9% of your combined bankroll on two NFL Games, despite having a substantially positive outlook at the time that you posted about the first of those on a line that nobody else has heard of being available, besides.
That said, I would give you credit for jumping all over that line (if offered at normal odds) at a perceived advantage if you happened to see it.
Unfortunately, you have now lost nearly 10% of your combined bankroll on two NFL games. Of course, you attributed that to your, "Dedicated," Baccarat bankroll, which as we all know, is not what the word dedicated means.
As you can see, it seems that many of the members here have substantial doubts as to your reports of LOSING. You get that? They don't even believe you when you lose...so why give them the satisfaction of reporting losing results?
I'll be more charitable and assume everything that you have ever reported is true. My advice is to quit gambling, keep and enjoy the other $80,000. Your betting tendencies are entirely too aggressive and, even if you play with an advantage, you will suffer for it sooner or later.
Quote: Marcusclark66
Bankroll Update & Status Report
Baccarat Bankroll.
PURE WIN MONEY, pure in every physical and literal sense.
based on my understanding of your methodology -
𝙄 𝙖𝙢 𝙚𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙢𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙖 𝟮𝟱 𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙘𝙚𝙣𝙩 𝙚𝙙𝙜𝙚 𝙤𝙫𝙚𝙧 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙘𝙖𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙤 𝙞𝙣 𝘽𝙖𝙘𝙘
would that be about right?________or is your edge higher than that?
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Quote: SOOPOOI was sure this thread was going to be about the absolutely horrendous ‘no call’ that lead to the 4th interception. Defensive holding should have been visible to anyone even remotely looking that way. With the obvious and proper call, Browns would have had a 2/3 or so chance of winning from there.
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I couldn’t help but notice Baker getting hit below the knee on that drive as well, which would have been called approximately 99.96% of the time had it been Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers.
Quote: PokerGrinderMods why is Marcus posting in two new threads about his fairy tale baccarat play again? The whole point of hiding his thread is so he can post that crap over there where nobody has to see it. Can someone direct Marcus back to his Nathan”a corner please?
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First, warning given to PG for the "crap" comment. One might argue the remark is attacking the writing and not the writer, but general statements like that about the entirety of somebody's posts I consider a reflection of the poster himself.
Second, warning given to Marcus to keep the topic of his system to the "I have learned a lot here thread."
Quote: Marcusclark66I wager in person and I am not going to jeopardize the entity I wager with.
If you do not believe me or you detest my winnings because of WoV and some of it’s fine members who did contribute to my knowledge and gambling choices that led me to my 2 bankrolls I have, please block my name.
Thank you for your points and your challenges that are not fair to my anonymity and confidentiality as to where I work and have an established career.
Merry Christmas and Happy Upcoming New Year.
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Aka the wagers never happened, thanks for posting your lovely stories.
Quote: unJonQuote: unJonQuote: Marcusclark66I took Packers with a -4 for $4,000.00 wager last night.
The money came from my baccarat bankroll.
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What odds did you have to accept to get -4? The line has been -7/-7.5 all week.
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What’s the answer to my question?
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Unless he is really lucky, he probably got somewhere between -160 and -200.
Note: I would be surprised if he got -150 or better.
Note 2: I guess you could have estimated a pretty good range of odds yourself, but this is for anyone else interested
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Quote: Marcusclark66I wager in person and I am not going to jeopardize the entity I wager with.
This needs an explanation. What exactly would be jeopardized by posting a ticket? Could easily blackout relevant information. When other guys show a picture of their tickets online, are they jeopardizing anything?
By coming up with such a weird excuse, most people will understand that this bet on the Packers never happened.
Quote: TomGQuote: Marcusclark66I wager in person and I am not going to jeopardize the entity I wager with.
This needs an explanation. What exactly would be jeopardized by posting a ticket? Could easily blackout relevant information. When other guys show a picture of their tickets online, are they jeopardizing anything?
By coming up with such a weird excuse, most people will understand that this bet on the Packers never happened.
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That’s because nothing he does happens, this would be the easiest way to validate his claims. Show redacted bet slips for the proper amounts and shut me and everyone else the hell up. But obviously that isn’t going to happen cause the bets like other things claimed, never happened.
Quote: TomGQuote: Marcusclark66I wager in person and I am not going to jeopardize the entity I wager with.
This needs an explanation. What exactly would be jeopardized by posting a ticket? Could easily blackout relevant information. When other guys show a picture of their tickets online, are they jeopardizing anything?
By coming up with such a weird excuse, most people will understand that this bet on the Packers never happened.
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You could also post it after the fact. The only problem with that is many notorious “sports bettors” who tout their “prowess” will post winning slips after the fact. The losing slips are in the trash.
But, I see no reason not to post the 3 losing bet tickets for $8,000…or whatever he lost.
I don’t even know what “wager in person” means beyond making the bet at a legitimate sports book where you are issued a ticket. I still see absolutely no issue with posting a losing or winning bet after the fact if there is a question on credibility.
What’s being jeopardized?
However, it is more likely you all get suspended for calling him out than him ever producing a bet slip, a pic of his win money, etc...
It has been said many times in many ways, he has a right to post his claims here and if we don't believe them to basically shut up and move on.
I'd honestly quit worrying about it. It's never gonna happen.
*EDITED TO CLEAR UP CONFUSION THAT APPEARED I SAID MDAWG DID NOT POST PROOF*
Now the problems I had with Marcus's claims and this thread were 1.) the initial pick was posted not prior to the game, but just minutes before halftime when the wager as posted was covering. It went on to lose, but that kind of thing, let's call it "past posting" just destroys any kind of credibility in my mind.
The second thing is something that unJon brought up and that was the line, posted -4 points was way different than any public line I have seen and there are websites that show line movements leading up to the games. The 3.5 point difference in public lines hasn't been explained. UnJon has asked several times and it has just been ignored. That leads to lack of credibility as far as I am concerned.
I'll tell you what I think happened and that was the dude (marcus) saw a halftime line, which was -4 and thought that was the line for the game and used that in his "claimed bet". And when he was challenged it was too late to do anything but ignore it.
I don't think any of it matters anymore. There is more than enough information, for people to have formed their own opinions regarding credibility by now.
Quote: kewljThese are anonymous forums. Nobody is required to prove anything, everything. No one is on trial.
That’s correct..and conversely no one is required to believe anything, specifically as it relates to gambling claims.
Considering your first sentence, I’m not sure why some go out of their way to make sure everyone (anonymous) knows their “status” as a gambler.
Anyone care to see? Or is my story too believable?
Quote: TDVegasQuote: kewljThese are anonymous forums. Nobody is required to prove anything, everything. No one is on trial.
That’s correct..and conversely no one is required to believe anything, specifically as it relates to gambling claims.
Considering your first sentence, I’m not sure why some go out of their way to make sure everyone (anonymous) knows their “status” as a gambler.
Are you talking about me TDVegas? I have been accused of that before and am happy to answer why I do so, but just want to make sure you are talking about me and I am just not jumping to conclusions.
Quote: kewljI haven't called on Marcus to produce any "proof".
He made it clear that posting a ticket would "jeopardize the entity I wager with." He doesn't need to provide "proof" that it would jeopardize anything. He just needs to explain how it would jeopardize anything. Why can't he do that?
Quote: TomGQuote: kewljI haven't called on Marcus to produce any "proof".
He made it clear that posting a ticket would "jeopardize the entity I wager with." He doesn't need to provide "proof" that it would jeopardize anything. He just needs to explain how it would jeopardize anything. Why can't he do that?
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He can't so he won't TomG. YOU know how it works. LOL.
The point has been made hasn't it? Further challenging is only going to get people suspended unnecessarily. We have all been there. :/
Quote: kewljQuote: TDVegasQuote: kewljThese are anonymous forums. Nobody is required to prove anything, everything. No one is on trial.
That’s correct..and conversely no one is required to believe anything, specifically as it relates to gambling claims.
Considering your first sentence, I’m not sure why some go out of their way to make sure everyone (anonymous) knows their “status” as a gambler.
Are you talking about me TDVegas? I have been accused of that before and am happy to answer why I do so, but just want to make sure you are talking about me and I am just not jumping to conclusions.
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I’m basically agreeing with your original statement. The forum is anonymous. Who cares?
Quote: mwalz9I can provide physical proof that I bet on FanDuel Casino and Sportsbook daily. I am down just about the house edge over the course of 3 years, but the generous comps and bonuses I have received have put me on the good side of the EV thru 3 years though.
Anyone care to see? Or is my story too believable?
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Too believable, I demand pictures (like in the links below) lol
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Hope the Dolphins win by at least 10, see link here >>> link
Note: The above link shows a "just for fun" bet, so I didn't bet a "huge amount".
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Here is an example of what I bet when I "put a lot more work in", see link here >>> link
Note: I received an "early payout*** ", because with that particular book I get paid straight away if the team I bet on is 17 points (or more) in front at any time during the game.
***: Even though this does have value, I also know it is fairly rare for a team to lose, after being 17+ points in front (FYI, I got paid early in the 3rd quarter for this game).
Note (Added about 2pm, Pac Time); The "early payout", is only valid for Money Line bets.
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Update (About 155pm, Pac Time):
Any dates and times shown in the above links are from the Australian Time-Zone.
All odds in this post are decimal odds ( "for 1") so to work out the potential profit, you deduct the stake from the potential returns.