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Mission146
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February 11th, 2020 at 10:21:21 AM permalink
Greetings!

The purpose of this thread will be twofold.

Fold One

The first fold of this thread will be for the general discussion of NCAA Basketball. Basketball is a sport in which players must bounce a spherical projectile repeatedly, though they may also pass this projectile to one another, with the eventual goal of causing the projectile to drop through a circumferential ring known as, "The hoop."

Sometimes, a player may effectuate the passage of the projectile through the circumferential ring not only with great force, but often with a certain degree of gusto, or flourish. This event is known as a, "Slam dunk," and is very exciting. In fact, sometimes there are contests consisting of an undefended player causing this event to unfold.

Anyway, I hope that you will discuss NCAA (which is a college athletic association) basketball in this thread. I would also like everyone to know that it is NOT called an interception if someone on the opposing team catches a pass not intended for him, but rather a steal. Other things can also be steals. You can steal the ball even when there is no attempt at a pass, but that is not a fumble, but rather, is still called a steal.

There are other similarities between basketball and hockey. To wit, they are the sports that people sometimes care about, but only under the condition that NFL Season is over. Some people even care about these sports during NFL Season, if you can believe such a thing! I do not know why. There are 489 regular season games in both basketball and hockey, plenty of time to wait for NFL Season to end before caring about these other sports.

Fold Two

On behalf of the National Association of Greedy AP's, (NAGA) I would like to announce another Free Roll contest.

This contest will consist of picking winners in the National Collegiate Athletic Association's Annual Invitational Basketball Tournament, more frequently referred to as, "March Madness." Much like the game of basketball itself, this contest has rules, and here they are:

PRIZES

There are potentially six prizes in this tournament and will be as follows:

1st Place: $100
2nd Place: $50
3rd Place: $25
YOU SUCK PRIZE: $25

Elite Eighty Prize: $80 + $10 (The $10 is a donation from Kuma from the WoV Picks Game)

Pick 5 for $50: $50

THE MAIN GAME RULES

1.) In order to ENTER this game, an individual much be a registered participant at WizardofVegas.com (hereafter called, "Member") on or before 14:00 Eastern Standard Time on this 12th of February, year of our Lord, Anno Domini, Twenty and Two-Thousand.

2.) In order to receive a reminder to make your Picks, you must make a post in this thread of some kind. Alternatively, you will receive a reminder if you participated in the main WoV NFL Picks Game of 2019, so there will be no need to make a post, but please do so if you want to.

3.) You can make Picks without receiving a reminder, the choice is yours.

4.) The manner by which PICKS should be made will be as follows:

Each member shall present six lists which MUST be headed as follows:

ROUND OF 32
SWEET SIXTEEN
ELITE EIGHT
FINAL FOUR
CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
CHAMPION

Separately, you will also pick any TWO TEAMS you wish to appear in the Finals and what the score of that game will be. You are not required to do this, but you should if you wish to have a chance to win in the event of a tie. These two teams DO NOT have to necessarily agree with your championship game main list.

Under these headings, each member must list all of the teams that said member expects to reach that level of the tournament. These picks often known as, "Brackets," will all be presented at once. We will now discuss the scoring mechanism:

IMPORTANT---YOU MUST INCLUDE THE SEED OF YOUR PICK BY YOUR PICKS IN THE ROUND OF 32 AND SWEET SIXTEEN LISTS!!!! IF YOU NEGLECT TO INCLUDE THE SEEDS, I RESERVE THE SOLE RIGHT TO DISQUALIFY YOUR ENTRY ENTIRELY!!!***

***You may see the bottom for an example of a good entry.

4a.) For both the Round of 32 and Sweet Sixteen Picks, when correct, the member shall receive 25% of the team's seed value in points. For example, if the member successfully advances a #1 seed to these two levels, then the member will receive 0.25 points each time this happens. If the player advances a #12 seed successfully, on the other hand, then the player will receive three points each time for doing that.

4b.) Elite Eight will be scored as 1.5 points for each correct team. Final Four will be scored as 2.5 points for each correct team. The Championship Game will award 3.5 points for each correct team. Finally, there will be 4 points awarded for correctly picking the champion.

4c.) THE LISTS:

Your lists MUST agree with each other. In other words, you may not have a team in the Sweet Sixteen that you did not first advance to the Round of 32 and so on and so forth. Every time this happens, the player will receive -1 point AND will be disqualified from winning the You Suck prize automatically.

5.) TIEBREAKER RULES:

In the unlikely event of a points tie for any paying prize, the tie will be adjudicated by each member having picked two teams (and score) for the championship game. The order of preference will be as follows:

---Both teams correct, winner correct.
---Both teams correct, winner wrong.
---One team correct, winner correct.
---One team correct, winner wrong.
---No teams correct***

***In the event that neither member correctly picks one team for the championship game, then it will be resolved by the TOTAL number of points the two teams that they DID PICK scored throughout the tournament. If this ends up being a tie, then it's just a tie.

6.) PICK REMINDERS: Pick Reminders will be sent to all who played the 2019 WoV NFL Picks Game as well as all who participate in this thread as soon as practical to the announcement of who the teams in the tournament are.

6a.) REMINDERS AND EARLY PICKS: You may make Picks anytime after selection Sunday even if you do not necessarily know who will be in the Round of 64 yet, or you can wait until the full Round of 64 is known, it's up to you.

7.) PICKS DUE: In any case, lists are due on or before 23:59 Eastern Standard Time Wednesday, March 18th, 2020.

8.) GRADING: In order to make it easier on myself, I will attempt to keep grading as current as possible in a separate OFFICIAL THREAD, which I will start the day prior to the tournament beginning. The first post in that thread will be a running list of current standings.

9.) The YOU SUCK prize winner will have scored the fewest points. A tie will be decided by which player's two championship game picks (listed separately) scored the fewest total points in the tournament.

ELITE EIGHTY ($80) + $10 PRIZE

1.) The Elite $80 prize shall be awarded to the player who has a perfect Elite Eight bracket. If none, then the prize is not paid.

2.) If the Elite Eighty Prize has no winner, then the $10 from Kuma will instead be added to the Pick 5 for $50 Lottery Prize.

3.) Your Elite Eight from your normal lists will automatically qualify you for this Entry. However, if you wish to select a different Elite Eight for the purpose of this prize, (the Elite Eight from your main entry will no longer be used for this prize if you do this) then you may do that.

3a.) If you choose to avail yourself of RULE 3, then you must clearly label that section: ELITE EIGHTY PICKS

4.) Ties will be resolved the same way as the main game.

PICK 5 FOR $50 LOTTERY PRIZE

1.) This is very easy, simply pick five numbers from 1-64 at the bottom of your submission.

2.) Prior to each tournament round, another APPLE PHONE USER (would you like to volunteer?) will get on FaceTime with me and I will use random.org in order to select five numbers from 1-64.

2a.) For each number that you have correct, you will be credited with one point.*** The five lottery numbers will be selected prior to all six tournament rounds and then one more time after the tournament is complete.

***These have nothing to do with main game points.

3.) A tie in points will be resolved the same way as the main game.

4.) In the extremely unlikely event nobody matches a single number, this prize will not be paid.

PARTICIPATION

You MAY NOT PARTICIPATE in only the lottery game. However, you may participate in the Elite Eighty game and Lottery Game only, if you wish. You may also participate in any combination of 1-3 games IF the main game is one of them. Of course, if you participate in the Main Game, then you automatically are participating in Elite $80 as your main game list would be used.

SAMPLE LIST

ROUND OF 32:

Park University (8)
West Virginia Northern Community College (1)
University of Phoenix Online (11)
DeVry University: (9)
The Art Institute of Pittsburgh (14)
Trump University (7)
Potomac State College of West Virginia University (4)
Community College of Allegheny County (5)
Rocky Balboa School of Neuroscience (12)
John Gruden's QB Camp (3)
Hellmann's Mayonnaise Academy of the Arts (15)
The Institute of Tom Brady (2)
The Lucifer Morningstar Academy of Business (3)
The Pontius Pilate Institution of Hard Knocks (5)
The Harley Quinn School of Design (2)

---and on and on. You get it, 32 teams and their seeds. Same thing with Sweet Sixteen. Rounds Elite Eight and beyond do not necessarily have to include seed ranking.

CHAMPIONSHIP GAME:

West Virginia Northern Community College 87 v. Rocky Balboa School of Neuroscience 73

ELITE EIGHTY:

Park University (8) v. West Virginia Northern Community College (1)
University of Phoenix Online (11) v. DeVry University: (9)
The Art Institute of Pittsburgh (14) v. Trump University (7)
Potomac State College of West Virginia University (4) v. Community College of Allegheny County (5)

Pick 5 for $50 Lottery:

14, 29, 35, 7, 19

Thank you to everyone and I hope we all have a good time! Even though it hurts your EV, please encourage folks to play. I have given a period of approximately twenty-four (24) hours for new folks to sign up for this site if they wish to play this game.
Last edited by: Mission146 on Feb 11, 2020
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February 11th, 2020 at 12:20:50 PM permalink
I really tried to read the whole thing but I failed. Attention span not strong enough. Anyway, I'm in. Some thoughts....

1. When is the submission due?
2. The elite 80 probably has an EV in the pennies. MUCH more difficult than you would think.
3. There ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, UNEQUIVOCALLY should NOT be a you suck prize. It would be quite easy to try for that and unless another is actively trying, it will be a lead pipe cinch to win. It defeats the idea of THIS contest.

(By the way, Mission, your OP here is evidence of OCD!)
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February 11th, 2020 at 12:42:30 PM permalink
Thanks for the freeroll Mission! Also, thanks to Kuma for the generous donation! I'm looking forward to watching the "Suicide Squad" from Harley Quinn School of Design run roughshod over the field.
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Mission146
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February 11th, 2020 at 1:16:54 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I really tried to read the whole thing but I failed. Attention span not strong enough. Anyway, I'm in. Some thoughts....

1. When is the submission due?
2. The elite 80 probably has an EV in the pennies. MUCH more difficult than you would think.
3. There ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, UNEQUIVOCALLY should NOT be a you suck prize. It would be quite easy to try for that and unless another is actively trying, it will be a lead pipe cinch to win. It defeats the idea of THIS contest.

(By the way, Mission, your OP here is evidence of OCD!)



1. 23:59 Eastern Standard Time the night before the round of 64 begins.
2. Perhaps true, but it's free and the normal picks are automatically an entry into the Elite $80.
3. That's the idea! Does one wish to go for the You Suck prize or main prizes? Also, the fact that the first two rounds score points based on 25% of seed value (a sixteen seed winning would be four points, for example) makes sucking a little tougher than one would think!

(LOL @ OCD)
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February 11th, 2020 at 1:17:02 PM permalink
Sounds like fun. Thanks for the free roll!

Iím an Apple phone user if you donít get other volunteers to validate the random numbers.
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Mission146
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February 11th, 2020 at 1:23:01 PM permalink
UnJon,

You're welcome, thanks for playing! You'll be the one who will validate if you think you have time to do it before each round. I'll PM you my phone number close to the time and we can set up a schedule!
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Mission146
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February 11th, 2020 at 1:58:17 PM permalink
(Please see the Rules for the Free Roll above)

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/34302-ncaa-hoops-contest/#post757153

I believe that the, "Steal," in basketball should be separated into two different events and each event should be called something different. However, one event can still be called a steal.

EVENT 1: Occasionally, a player will be in possession of the spherical object without the intention to disseminate the spherical object amongst his compatriots, nor with the intention to attempt to advance the spherical object through the circular ring. At any such time, this player is in clear, "Possession," of the spherical object. If a player from the opposing team manages to deprive the first person of his continued possession of the spherical object AGAINST that person's will, with or without the use of force, then I believe he has stolen the physical object.

EVENT 2: As is so often the case in both sport and life, what we merely attempt to do is not always the end result of the action in question. Basketball is no different. In the event a player attempts to transmit, either through the air or by bouncing, the spherical object to one of his compatriots, then that player should be looked upon as having voluntarily relinquished possession of the spherical object. Because this relinquishment was voluntary, the result cannot be a steal, but rather an interception. Henceforward, this form of team possession of the spherical object changing from one team to another should be classified and statistically annotated as an INTERCEPTION. I would argue that all parties on the wooden field have equal rights to the spherical object when a player has released it of his own volition.

I have no objection to everything that is classified as, "Out of bounds," remaining so, even though one could advance a meaningful argument to create different categories of becoming out of bounds.
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February 11th, 2020 at 2:30:17 PM permalink
Holy Cow!!

that is a long write up for a free contest. I won't be done reading and comprehending that until the tournament is over.
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Mission146
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February 11th, 2020 at 2:36:56 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Holy Cow!!

that is a long write up for a free contest. I won't be done reading and comprehending that until the tournament is over.



It's a brand new contest and I wanted to cover every contingency in the rules to avoid confusion.

I'm also thinking of doing an optional bracket pool where, instead of listing the teams, someone can upload an image of his/her bracket and PM me a link to it and I will list them myself. This service would require a bracket pool fee of $5 per participant with all proceeds going to the winner. The bracket would have to otherwise correspond with the rules.*

(If I were to win first place, bracket pool fees would go to second place)
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February 11th, 2020 at 3:52:41 PM permalink
First, thanks for this Mission. We all love free-roll contests, no matter how mediocre we are at sports-casting.

(Edit: I now realize this is wrong.) For clarity, you will not be asking us to pick winners in the round of 64? Just winners in the round of 32 and later rounds before the round of 64 has begun?

You have some interesting scoring innovations, but I think that successfully picking the champion and perhaps the runner-up will almost always be necessary (and perhaps sufficient for a field this size) to be the contest winner because that scores points for you at each level of the bracket including the ones that are weighed the most heavily.
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