2018 WoV Picks game (discussion thread)

Quote: Mission146

Greetings!

The Week 15 Lines are as follows:

Dolphins (+7.5) @ Vikings (-7.5) O/U 44.5
Raiders (+3) @ Bengals (-3) O/U 46
Buccaneers (+7.5) @ Ravens (-7.5) O/U 46.5
Cowboys (+3) @ Colts (-3) O/U 47
Lions (+2) @ Bills (-2) O/U 39.5
Packers (+6) @ Bears (-6) O/U 45
Titans (+2) @ Giants (-2) O/U 43.5
Redskins (+7.5) @ Jaguars (-7.5) O/U 36
Cardinals (+9.5) @ Falcons (-9.5) O/U 44
Seahawks (-3.5) @ 49ers (+3.5) O/U 44
Patriots (-2.5) @ Steelers (+2.5) O/U 52
Eagles (+11) @ Rams (-11) O/U 52.5
Saints (-6) @ Panthers (+6) O/U 51.5

Quote: Mission146

Greetings!

The Week 15 Lines are as follows:

Dolphins (+7.5) @ Vikings (-7.5) O/U 44.5
Raiders (+3) @ Bengals (-3) O/U 46
Buccaneers (+7.5) @ Ravens (-7.5) O/U 46.5
Cowboys (+3) @ Colts (-3) O/U 47
Lions (+2) @ Bills (-2) O/U 39.5
Packers (+6) @ Bears (-6) O/U 45
Titans (+2) @ Giants (-2) O/U 43.5
Redskins (+7.5) @ Jaguars (-7.5) O/U 36
Cardinals (+9.5) @ Falcons (-9.5) O/U 44
Seahawks (-3.5) @ 49ers (+3.5) O/U 44
Patriots (-2.5) @ Steelers (+2.5) O/U 52
Eagles (+11) @ Rams (-11) O/U 52.5
Saints (-6) @ Panthers (+6) O/U 51.5

Quote: AxelWolf

Should have waited until there was a bet with Djatc before you put up stale lines.



Here is what I would like to know.

Without stale lines, what percentage would DJ have gotten?

I have no doubt he would have still done well, however, I would love to know what would happen with non stale lines.

Quote: AxelWolf

Should have waited until there was a bet with Djatc before you put up stale lines.

Here is what I would like to know.

Without stale lines, what percentage would DJ have gotten..

I have no doubt he would have still done well, however I would love to know what would happen with non stale lines.

Quote: beachbumbabs

I don't know how anyone could stay away from that Eagles/Rams line. I certainly couldn't resist.

Should be fun. Will definitely have a big effect on the group no matter which way it goes. 9 Rams 8 Eagles incl. confidence.

Quote: mission146

3.) Default Picks shall consist of the OVER in the first five games listed for all players and at all times. Players will still have one Skip Week, but a player must specifically send a PM stating that he/she is using that Skip Week, otherwise, Default Picks will be used.

Quote: mission146

THE PERFECT BOUNTY

Players have expressed interest in a Perfect Week bounty earlier in this thread and I think that is an excellent idea. It would give people a reason to continue playing throughout the season even if it looks like they are out of the main prizes and/or Consolation prizes.

Quote: JohnnyQ

Hue Jackson Cleveland Browns Award percentage for 6-7-1 is currently at 0.464

Quote: JohnnyQ

I have always thought the DEFAULTS should be easy for the COMMISH to manage. This sounds like it would be.

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I like this concept too. Wouldn't it be easier to administer if it applied to everyone and was not an optional add-on ?

Quote: Mission146

VOTING

Greetings!

I want to let everyone know, at the conclusion of this season, I will be putting up a voting thread with proposed changes to the game for next year. I assume that I am going to go ahead and run it again since only one player expresses any real discontentment with the whole thing.

Suggestions to move any aspect of this game off-site will not be entertained or voted upon, so please have some mercy on your fingertips by not wasting your time typing anything to that effect.

Aside from that, please make any proposal you like with respect to this game and it will likely be considered for voting.

Default Picks

The one thing that I will say is that Default Picks, such as they have been, are over after this season. I am considering replacing Default Picks with one of the following three things:

1.) No Default Picks, but players will get TWO Skip Weeks per season.

2.) No Default Picks and only ONE Skip Week per season, but I must send PM reminders every Saturday all season long.

3.) Default Picks shall consist of the OVER in the first five games listed for all players and at all times. Players will still have one Skip Week, but a player must specifically send a PM stating that he/she is using that Skip Week, otherwise, Default Picks will be used.

NOTE---If we go with either of the first two options, in my capacity as Commissioner, I will consider allowing Default Picks for a player for a finite amount of time in the event of an extenuating circumstance, such as leaving the country. These Defaut Picks, if granted, will consist of making Picks ahead of time specific to the weeks being played. In other words, one couldn't say, "First five favorites," one would just have to make Picks as if the Lines had already been posted.

Anyway, that is one item that will be put to a vote. One way or another, Default Picks are gone such as they are now, but everyone will have the chance to vote on one of those three options in the separate thread at the end of the season.

THE PERFECT BOUNTY

Players have expressed interest in a Perfect Week bounty earlier in this thread and I think that is an excellent idea. It would give people a reason to continue playing throughout the season even if it looks like they are out of the main prizes and/or Consolation prizes.

The way I understand the suggestion is like this:

-If a player solely has a Perfect Week, then that player is paid the bounty for that week as well as any accumulated bounty to that point. For these purposes, a 6-0 record will be considered superior to a 5-0 record.

-If two players share a Perfect Week with the same number of wins, then the Perfect Week bounty for that week and any accumulated bounties shall be awarded to those players and split by the number of players.

-If there is no Perfect Week bounty winner for Week 17 as well as any weeks prior to Week 17, all accumulated Perfect Week bounty will be divided evenly amongst 1st/2nd/3rd Place finishers.

Perfect Week Bounty Question

What we will want to put to a vote is whether the Perfect Week Bounty should be an add-on optional type of thing, or whether it should be cut out of the Entry Fee for the game. What I was thinking is we could do either of the following:

1.) Take $5 of the existing $25 Entry Fee for the game and apply it to the Perfect Week Bounty, applying the remaining Entry Fees to 1st/2nd/3rd Places as normal.

Whatever is decided, there will be NO CHANGE to the base Entry Fee of one Green chip. That's about as high as I ever want it to get.

OR:

2.) Make the Perfect Week Bounty an optional $10 add-on with the only players concerned with it being those who contributed the $10. This $10 would be in addition to the $25 Entry Fee, so a player wanting to do it would pay $35. In the event of no Perfect Week in Week 17 and any weeks leading up to that, the Perfect Week Bounty player with the best overall record would automatically be rewarded any accumulated bounty.

***For the purpose of simplicity, as with other prizes, the Perfect Week Bounty winnings would not be paid out until the end of the season.

Please submit any other proposals you may have.

Quote: Mission146

It will be a fundamental failing of ownership if Gregg Williams is not named HC at the end of this season.

Quote: Ayecarumba

I propose the BOUNTY be an add on, but run it like a “skins” game, where a prize is available each week, but if no one hits the perfecto, or if there is a tie, the accumulation carries over to the next week.

I like this methodology as it keeps interest going all season long.

Quote: Ayecarumba

I propose the BOUNTY be an add on, but run it like a “skins” game, where a prize is available each week, but if no one hits the perfecto, or if there is a tie, the accumulation carries over to the next week.

I like this methodology as it keeps interest going all season long.

Quote: SOOPOO

His gametime decisions about going for it on 4th down, punting, etc., were so pathetic in his short tenure as Bills head coach, it directly led to his short tenure as Bills head coach! He has been a fine defensive coordinator in the league. His picture is in the dictionary next to the words "Peter Principle". But I could easily see an organization like the Browns picking him as permanent head coach. But the NFL retreads 17-31 head coaches all the time.

Edit.... his ridiculous poorly timed and useless timeout almost cost them the game. You weren't watching?

Quote: Ayecarumba

I propose the BOUNTY be an add on, but run it like a “skins” game, where a prize is available each week, but if no one hits the perfecto, or if there is a tie, the accumulation carries over to the next week.

I like this methodology as it keeps interest going all season long.

Quote: Mission146

That’s how we’re going to do it either way, the only question being whether it’s an optional add on or part of the Entry Fee that gets cut out. I’m not doing it as an add on unless it’s optional as I believe $25 is a sufficient mandatory fee for the game.

As far as ties go, I think they should be awarded whatever has accumulated. It just seems far too likely that we could have a season in which nobody alone has a perfect week.

Quote: Mission146

That’s how we’re going to do it either way, the only question being whether it’s an optional add on or part of the Entry Fee that gets cut out. I’m not doing it as an add on unless it’s optional as I believe $25 is a sufficient mandatory fee for the game.

As far as ties go, I think they should be awarded whatever has accumulated. It just seems far too likely that we could have a season in which nobody alone has a perfect week.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

Quote: Mission146

VOTING

Greetings!

I want to let everyone know, at the conclusion of this season, I will be putting up a voting thread with proposed changes to the game for next year. I assume that I am going to go ahead and run it again since only one player expresses any real discontentment with the whole thing.

Suggestions to move any aspect of this game off-site will not be entertained or voted upon, so please have some mercy on your fingertips by not wasting your time typing anything to that effect.

Aside from that, please make any proposal you like with respect to this game and it will likely be considered for voting.

Default Picks

The one thing that I will say is that Default Picks, such as they have been, are over after this season. I am considering replacing Default Picks with one of the following three things:

1.) No Default Picks, but players will get TWO Skip Weeks per season.

2.) No Default Picks and only ONE Skip Week per season, but I must send PM reminders every Saturday all season long.

3.) Default Picks shall consist of the OVER in the first five games listed for all players and at all times. Players will still have one Skip Week, but a player must specifically send a PM stating that he/she is using that Skip Week, otherwise, Default Picks will be used.

NOTE---If we go with either of the first two options, in my capacity as Commissioner, I will consider allowing Default Picks for a player for a finite amount of time in the event of an extenuating circumstance, such as leaving the country. These Defaut Picks, if granted, will consist of making Picks ahead of time specific to the weeks being played. In other words, one couldn't say, "First five favorites," one would just have to make Picks as if the Lines had already been posted.

Anyway, that is one item that will be put to a vote. One way or another, Default Picks are gone such as they are now, but everyone will have the chance to vote on one of those three options in the separate thread at the end of the season.

THE PERFECT BOUNTY

Players have expressed interest in a Perfect Week bounty earlier in this thread and I think that is an excellent idea. It would give people a reason to continue playing throughout the season even if it looks like they are out of the main prizes and/or Consolation prizes.

The way I understand the suggestion is like this:

-If a player solely has a Perfect Week, then that player is paid the bounty for that week as well as any accumulated bounty to that point. For these purposes, a 6-0 record will be considered superior to a 5-0 record.

-If two players share a Perfect Week with the same number of wins, then the Perfect Week bounty for that week and any accumulated bounties shall be awarded to those players and split by the number of players.

-If there is no Perfect Week bounty winner for Week 17 as well as any weeks prior to Week 17, all accumulated Perfect Week bounty will be divided evenly amongst 1st/2nd/3rd Place finishers.

Perfect Week Bounty Question

What we will want to put to a vote is whether the Perfect Week Bounty should be an add-on optional type of thing, or whether it should be cut out of the Entry Fee for the game. What I was thinking is we could do either of the following:

1.) Take $5 of the existing $25 Entry Fee for the game and apply it to the Perfect Week Bounty, applying the remaining Entry Fees to 1st/2nd/3rd Places as normal.

Whatever is decided, there will be NO CHANGE to the base Entry Fee of one Green chip. That's about as high as I ever want it to get.

OR:

2.) Make the Perfect Week Bounty an optional $10 add-on with the only players concerned with it being those who contributed the $10. This $10 would be in addition to the $25 Entry Fee, so a player wanting to do it would pay $35. In the event of no Perfect Week in Week 17 and any weeks leading up to that, the Perfect Week Bounty player with the best overall record would automatically be rewarded any accumulated bounty.

***For the purpose of simplicity, as with other prizes, the Perfect Week Bounty winnings would not be paid out until the end of the season.

Please submit any other proposals you may have.

I make a motion the commissioner from hereon be referred to as the McFuhrer and put it to a vote.
I make a motion the commissioner from hereon be referred to as the Supreme Chancellor and put it to a vote.

Quote: Ayecarumba

If it were run as skins this season, would someone have won yet?

The accumulation could be awarded to the player(s) with the most perfect weeks, or carried over to next season, if no one wins outright.

Quote: Mission146

VOTING
For these purposes, a 6-0 record will be considered superior to a 5-0 record.

Quote: unJon

Ugh. This stinks. I’m pulling away from the middle!

Quote: EdCollins

Quote: Mission146

VOTING
...(If there is an advantage in not picking a Confidence Game, please point it out to me.)

Maybe your level of “confidence” is only 50.001%? Plus there is still the main game to consider. 2 losses instead of 1 is tough to make up.

Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci

Quote: beachbumbabs

Heading for the basement...checking out the root cellar. 1-3 today, 2 tomorrow. Make room!

Quote: EdCollins

Quote: Mission146

VOTING
For these purposes, a 6-0 record will be considered superior to a 5-0 record.

This is fine, but I don't see any reason why each person would NOT want to pick a Confidence game, each and every week. (If there is an advantage in not picking a Confidence Game, please point it out to me.)

Quote: Ayecarumba

Maybe your level of “confidence” is only 50.001%? Plus there is still the main game to consider. 2 losses instead of 1 is tough to make up.

Quote: michael99000

If it’s week 17, you’re in 1st place , and the only way you can be caught is if you go 0-6 and the person in 2nd goes 6-0.

Quote: EdCollins

Yes, I agree with this rare scenario. Good work. But for the other 16 Weeks you would want to pick a Confidence Pick.

Quote: GWAE

looks like we have a game now for the top. DJ finally came back to the pack alittle.

Quote: michael99000

Ok well let’s say you make your 5 picks , and you have a rating system for how much you like each pick. And for a particular week you happen to like all 5 games pretty much equally .. what would be the reasoning or advantage to arbitrarily making one of them count as double ?

Quote: EdCollins

Sharing the bounty prize justifies it. You don't want to lose out to someone else who also picked five games and went 6-0.

Quote: EdCollins

fyi...

Each week I post the results and current standings within minutes of the conclusion of the Monday Night game. (Sometimes I've posted them a few minutes before the game has ended.) However, I expect I won't be able to post tonight's results until a bit later, since I will be attending a Christmas party in the evening - I'm not sure what time I'll be home.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

I never suspected it would be you posting anal innuendo. Looks like you're busy.