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June 5th, 2026 at 4:55:52 PM
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Lebron averaged over 60% on his 2 point % in 5 different years while averaging points in the high 20s and once in the low 30s
that is fantastic and very rare for anybody other than a center - and unheard of for a high scorer such as that (other than Wilt)
I'm not knocking any of these players but Larry Bird was never even close to that - neither was MJ and neither was Magic - Wemby has not gone over 60% but he's gotten close
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Take Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Magic or Bird or GOAT-candidate-of-choice and make them 18 years old today with today's coaching, views on conditioning and modern sports science and medicine. They would be unbeatable monsters.
June 5th, 2026 at 8:46:49 PM
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Knicks Win 105-104
Karl-Anthony Towns. OG Anunoky. Mikal Bridges. Jalen Brunson. Landry Shamet.
Stefon Castle. De'Aaron Fox. Dylan Harper. Keldon Johnson.
Very intense game.
Karl-Anthony Towns. OG Anunoky. Mikal Bridges. Jalen Brunson. Landry Shamet.
Stefon Castle. De'Aaron Fox. Dylan Harper. Keldon Johnson.
Very intense game.
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June 6th, 2026 at 4:13:02 AM
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Kareem was totally awesome in just about every aspect of the game
he averaged 4 or more blocks per game in a couple of years
Wemby has been under 4 in all 3 of his years
they didn't keep track of blocks in Wilt's years until his final year
in that year at age 36 he averaged 5.4 blocks per game
many more blocks than either Kareem or Wemby
what a monster he was
Wilt and Kareem dunk on each other____________:)___________fun to watch
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Kareem was totally awesome in just about every aspect of the game
he averaged 4 or more blocks per game in a couple of years
Wemby has been under 4 in all 3 of his years
they didn't keep track of blocks in Wilt's years until his final year
in that year at age 36 he averaged 5.4 blocks per game
many more blocks than either Kareem or Wemby
what a monster he was
Wilt and Kareem dunk on each other____________:)___________fun to watch
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June 6th, 2026 at 7:10:40 AM
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Different eras and different rules. Wilt and Jabbar played their careers without the three-second rule that keeps Wemby from camping out near the basket, and today's NBA is an outside shooting league. Even Wilt would have problems blocking shots from the top of the key.
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June 10th, 2026 at 9:24:41 PM
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Thank God TV has an on off switch. No way I was gonna watch that disaster of a game with Knicks down 29, then 27 at the half. For them to win they’d have to hold the Spurs to what, 30 second half points? And that’s if they remember how to score. Free money too! Only had to lay 100-1 on Spurs. My $1k gets me a free $10!
I’ll check on final score later…..
Sarcasm……
I’ll check on final score later…..
Sarcasm……
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June 10th, 2026 at 10:47:58 PM
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Didn't watch the game. Were the Knicks that good, or did the Spurs just choke?
June 10th, 2026 at 11:46:51 PM
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spurs had exactly 30 points in second half. Knicks 58Quote: SOOPOOThank God TV has an on off switch. No way I was gonna watch that disaster of a game with Knicks down 29, then 27 at the half. For them to win they’d have to hold the Spurs to what, 30 second half points? And that’s if they remember how to score. Free money too! Only had to lay 100-1 on Spurs. My $1k gets me a free $10!
I’ll check on final score later…..
Sarcasm……
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107-106 final
June 11th, 2026 at 3:51:15 AM
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The comebacks in both NBA and NHL finals have been crazy this year. Knicks winning after being down 27 at half and Hurricanes coming back from a four goal deficit in the 3rd period. Crazy.
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June 11th, 2026 at 4:55:55 AM
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it was the greatest comeback in finals history
the Knicks were down by 29 in the 3rd quarter
De'Aaron Fox went for a layup with 12 seconds left that was blocked by OG Anunoby
all he had to do was run out the clock and the Spurs would have won
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ut2cbFUU6sE
and here's the tip in that won the game by OG Anunoby
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4_IK2lfbJ6Q
wow - OG had the block and the winning tip in - just spectacular
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it was the greatest comeback in finals history
the Knicks were down by 29 in the 3rd quarter
De'Aaron Fox went for a layup with 12 seconds left that was blocked by OG Anunoby
all he had to do was run out the clock and the Spurs would have won
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ut2cbFUU6sE
and here's the tip in that won the game by OG Anunoby
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4_IK2lfbJ6Q
wow - OG had the block and the winning tip in - just spectacular
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June 11th, 2026 at 7:43:45 AM
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Quote: lilredrooster.
it was the greatest comeback in finals history
the Knicks were down by 29 in the 3rd quarter
De'Aaron Fox went for a layup with 12 seconds left that was blocked by OG Anunoby
all he had to do was run out the clock and the Spurs would have won
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ut2cbFUU6sE
and here's the tip in that won the game by OG Anunoby
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4_IK2lfbJ6Q
wow - OG had the block and the winning tip in - just spectacular
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I think the Fox angle is overblown. He would have been fouled a second later and need to make 2 free throws to go up 3. After watching Wemby clank two he probably thinks he makes that shot more often than he makes two free throws.
30 points in a half is historically dismal.
June 11th, 2026 at 8:31:00 AM
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Quote: SOOPOOI think the Fox angle is overblown. He would have been fouled a second later and need to make 2 free throws to go up 3.
I disagree
he went right up in the guy's face trying to make a very difficult shot when they didn't necessarily need any more points to win
if it was an uncontested layup or dunk that would have been different
yes, he probably would have been fouled but he might have been able to run the clock down to 2 or 3 seconds making it harder for the Knicks to score
it was deserving of all of the criticism
it was a terrible play
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June 11th, 2026 at 8:38:24 AM
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There is plenty of blame to go around. I want the Spurs to win, and I enjoyed the first half enormously. About halfway through the third, I started to get a bad feeling. Surprisingly, I enjoyed the fourth quarter and am glad I witnessed such a historical game. San Antonio is a very young team, and hopefully, it will learn from this.
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June 11th, 2026 at 8:46:05 AM
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Quote: billryanThere is plenty of blame to go around. I want the Spurs to win, and I enjoyed the first half enormously. About halfway through the third, I started to get a bad feeling. Surprisingly, I enjoyed the fourth quarter and am glad I witnessed such a historical game. San Antonio is a very young team, and hopefully, it will learn from this.
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Wemby who is supposed to lead the team had a bad night
he made only 9 of his 25 shots
only 2 of 8 on his 3 pointers and only 7 of 17 on his 2 pointers
and only 4 of 7 free throws
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June 11th, 2026 at 9:50:50 AM
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Wemby was given only one minute of rest in the 2nd half. This was bad coaching by the Spurs, HC should have told his very young players to stop shooting quick 3-pt attempts, etc. Also, bad game-leadership by De'Aron Fox, their point guard.
It was both a classically great effort by the Knicks and a stupid, poor performance by the Spurs.
I also question whether the Spurs have the stamina they should have -the kind of stamina the Knicks have. They consistently look tired in the 2nd half.
It was both a classically great effort by the Knicks and a stupid, poor performance by the Spurs.
I also question whether the Spurs have the stamina they should have -the kind of stamina the Knicks have. They consistently look tired in the 2nd half.
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June 11th, 2026 at 7:44:59 PM
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In all five games of the Stanley Cup the team that was losing has came back to tie the game. I would guess that that is a first for the Stanley Cup.
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June 13th, 2026 at 12:28:05 PM
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Very bush league move by the Spurs and Ticketmaster. In a game where the Knicks may claim their first title of the Millennium, the Spurs are attempting to limit ticket sales to people with a driver's license showing they live within 150 miles of San Anton. Ticketmaster is allegedly only accepting CCs with zip codes that meet those criteria and is warning that resold tickets will be voided.
I don't think they can legally do that, as credit card agreements require a vendor to accept all Visa cards if they accept any.
I don't think they can legally do that, as credit card agreements require a vendor to accept all Visa cards if they accept any.
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June 13th, 2026 at 1:11:30 PM
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Quote: DRichIn all five games of the Stanley Cup the team that was losing has came back to tie the game. I would guess that that is a first for the Stanley Cup.
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Huh? Just counting when a team down 1-0 scores next, that would be around half the time? So 1/2 to the 5th power is 1/32, or 3%. That’s not even counting 2-0 going to 2-2, or heck, 4-0 going to 4-4 which both happened in THIS series. There have been hundreds of Stanley Cup playoff series. Wanna change your guess?
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June 13th, 2026 at 1:55:43 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichIn all five games of the Stanley Cup the team that was losing has came back to tie the game. I would guess that that is a first for the Stanley Cup.
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Huh? Just counting when a team down 1-0 scores next, that would be around half the time? So 1/2 to the 5th power is 1/32, or 3%. That’s not even counting 2-0 going to 2-2, or heck, 4-0 going to 4-4 which both happened in THIS series. There have been hundreds of Stanley Cup playoff series. Wanna change your guess?
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I will take your word for it. I was speaking specifically of the Stanley Cup series, not all playoff series. I just looked at the 2015 series and see I the first five games all determined by a single goal win and met the criteria. The sixth game was 2-0 so it did not. Did any Cup finals meet the criteria for all games?
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June 13th, 2026 at 3:21:46 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichIn all five games of the Stanley Cup the team that was losing has came back to tie the game. I would guess that that is a first for the Stanley Cup.
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Huh? Just counting when a team down 1-0 scores next, that would be around half the time? So 1/2 to the 5th power is 1/32, or 3%. That’s not even counting 2-0 going to 2-2, or heck, 4-0 going to 4-4 which both happened in THIS series. There have been hundreds of Stanley Cup playoff series. Wanna change your guess?
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I will take your word for it. I was speaking specifically of the Stanley Cup series, not all playoff series. I just looked at the 2015 series and see I the first five games all determined by a single goal win and met the criteria. The sixth game was 2-0 so it did not. Did any Cup finals meet the criteria for all games?
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They listed a four game sweep that did.
I’ve thought about this….. if you listed the best hockey players in the NHL, how far down the list until you get to a Hurricane or Golden Knight?
If you listed the best goalies, same question?
June 13th, 2026 at 4:37:44 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichQuote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichIn all five games of the Stanley Cup the team that was losing has came back to tie the game. I would guess that that is a first for the Stanley Cup.
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Huh? Just counting when a team down 1-0 scores next, that would be around half the time? So 1/2 to the 5th power is 1/32, or 3%. That’s not even counting 2-0 going to 2-2, or heck, 4-0 going to 4-4 which both happened in THIS series. There have been hundreds of Stanley Cup playoff series. Wanna change your guess?
(Too tedious to look up)
Agony using AI to help. They list 2015 Final as first 6 games meeting the criterion most recently.
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I will take your word for it. I was speaking specifically of the Stanley Cup series, not all playoff series. I just looked at the 2015 series and see I the first five games all determined by a single goal win and met the criteria. The sixth game was 2-0 so it did not. Did any Cup finals meet the criteria for all games?
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They listed a four game sweep that did.
I’ve thought about this….. if you listed the best hockey players in the NHL, how far down the list until you get to a Hurricane or Golden Knight?
If you listed the best goalies, same question?
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If we went historical Marc Andre Fleury might get a small number of mentions but even that would be stretching it. I can not think of a single current Golden Knight that I would have on my list.
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June 13th, 2026 at 5:24:03 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichQuote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichIn all five games of the Stanley Cup the team that was losing has came back to tie the game. I would guess that that is a first for the Stanley Cup.
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Huh? Just counting when a team down 1-0 scores next, that would be around half the time? So 1/2 to the 5th power is 1/32, or 3%. That’s not even counting 2-0 going to 2-2, or heck, 4-0 going to 4-4 which both happened in THIS series. There have been hundreds of Stanley Cup playoff series. Wanna change your guess?
(Too tedious to look up)
Agony using AI to help. They list 2015 Final as first 6 games meeting the criterion most recently.
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I will take your word for it. I was speaking specifically of the Stanley Cup series, not all playoff series. I just looked at the 2015 series and see I the first five games all determined by a single goal win and met the criteria. The sixth game was 2-0 so it did not. Did any Cup finals meet the criteria for all games?
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They listed a four game sweep that did.
I’ve thought about this….. if you listed the best hockey players in the NHL, how far down the list until you get to a Hurricane or Golden Knight?
If you listed the best goalies, same question?
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If we went historical Marc Andre Fleury might get a small number of mentions but even that would be stretching it. I can not think of a single current Golden Knight that I would have on my list.
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I’m talking this year. Not historical. I just looked up a top 10, which actually listed 12, and no Canes or VGKers.
That just doesn’t happen in the NBA as best I can recall. The star players are more important. Recently think Tatum, Jokic, SGA, LeBron, Curry, Leonard, etc…
BOTH the Canes and VGK are really good TEAMS. I don’t even think their goalies are considered top 10.
June 13th, 2026 at 7:03:41 PM
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BOTH the Canes and VGK are really good TEAMS. I don’t even think their goalies are considered top 10.
I am not a believer that the Golden Knights are a really good team. They have played very well their last 20 games or so.
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June 13th, 2026 at 7:53:32 PM
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Is this b-ball game going to end like the last one?
June 13th, 2026 at 7:54:37 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: SOOPOO
BOTH the Canes and VGK are really good TEAMS. I don’t even think their goalies are considered top 10.
I am not a believer that the Golden Knights are a really good team. They have played very well their last 20 games or so.
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And yet here they are, in the Stanley Cup Finals, and better teams and better players are watching from home after their round of golf.
June 13th, 2026 at 8:40:33 PM
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Knicks!
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June 14th, 2026 at 4:51:30 AM
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Wemby had another poor or mediocre game
The Spurs star managed 19 points on 7-of-19 shooting, including going just 1-for-6 from 3-point range. He had 14 rebounds, but just five in the second half, and all five of his blocks came in the first half. He committed two turnovers. Wemby averaged 25 p.p.g. for the season
this is Wemby's 3rd year with no Title to his name
I wonder if he at some point begin to take criticism for not winning it all as did Wilt
Wilt was in the NBA for 9 years before winning a Title with the 6ers
he took a tremendous amount of crticism from pundits saying he wasn't a team player, etc.
many pundits said Bill Russell was better than him because Russell had all those Titles, but Russell's stats were not even close to Wilt's
it was very unfair imo - a team is many players - not just one deserving of all the credit or all of the blame
I would guess that if Wemby goes many years with no Title, he too will face undeserving criticism since he is also a dominant player
Jalen Brunson had a fabulous game 5 - he scored 45 points shooting 14 of 27 from the field along with 3 assists and 2 steals - very niche
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Wemby had another poor or mediocre game
The Spurs star managed 19 points on 7-of-19 shooting, including going just 1-for-6 from 3-point range. He had 14 rebounds, but just five in the second half, and all five of his blocks came in the first half. He committed two turnovers. Wemby averaged 25 p.p.g. for the season
this is Wemby's 3rd year with no Title to his name
I wonder if he at some point begin to take criticism for not winning it all as did Wilt
Wilt was in the NBA for 9 years before winning a Title with the 6ers
he took a tremendous amount of crticism from pundits saying he wasn't a team player, etc.
many pundits said Bill Russell was better than him because Russell had all those Titles, but Russell's stats were not even close to Wilt's
it was very unfair imo - a team is many players - not just one deserving of all the credit or all of the blame
I would guess that if Wemby goes many years with no Title, he too will face undeserving criticism since he is also a dominant player
Jalen Brunson had a fabulous game 5 - he scored 45 points shooting 14 of 27 from the field along with 3 assists and 2 steals - very niche
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June 14th, 2026 at 6:15:09 AM
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My gawd. Wemby has now played three seasons and hasn't transformed the last-place team that drafted him into a world champion. Surely he is a loser. How many titles did Michael Jordan win in his first three years? LeBron? Jalen Brunson? Obviously, Wemby is a loser and should be traded to the Nets.
Late in the game, I was thinking of how much I loved the Knicks winning in the spring of 1973, and could I imagine 50-plus years later I would be rooting against them.
Congratulations to the Knicks for a hard-fought and well-deserved title, and kudos to the Spurs. It's rare for such a young team to gel well enough to make a run to the finals. The Spurs management handed out sunglasses to the team, as they look to their future.
Late in the game, I was thinking of how much I loved the Knicks winning in the spring of 1973, and could I imagine 50-plus years later I would be rooting against them.
Congratulations to the Knicks for a hard-fought and well-deserved title, and kudos to the Spurs. It's rare for such a young team to gel well enough to make a run to the finals. The Spurs management handed out sunglasses to the team, as they look to their future.
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June 14th, 2026 at 6:39:40 AM
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you have a point but I think more is expected of Wemby than the others you mentioned because of his size - 7'4"
very tall Centers are expected to be dominant
it's still too early but if there are many more years without a Title I kind of expect it
but as I stated - I don't think it would be justified
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you have a point but I think more is expected of Wemby than the others you mentioned because of his size - 7'4"
very tall Centers are expected to be dominant
it's still too early but if there are many more years without a Title I kind of expect it
but as I stated - I don't think it would be justified
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June 14th, 2026 at 6:47:14 AM
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Unless the Celtics are playing, I have only a passing interest in basketball, but I was pulling for the Spurs. As I watched the box score unfold, I decided to tune in. What I saw was a Spurs team that was tired, outhustled, couldn't make a shot to save their lives (or the game) and made basic ball handling and game management decisional errors. And I saw this Brunson fella totally outclass his opponents, either one-on-one or in the team game. The Knicks earned this one by making their opponents play poorly.
As for Wemby being a failure for not winning the Larry O’Brien Trophy? A load of hogwash. Jordan didn’t win one until his 7th year. It took Giannis into his 8th year to win his – to date-only one. Same with the Joker. There are myriad elite players who took several seasons to win even one title, and some are in the Hall of Fame without even that. Give the dude some slack. But I agree that he didn’t play to his stat line in the Finals.
Let the off-season trade rumors begin!
As for Wemby being a failure for not winning the Larry O’Brien Trophy? A load of hogwash. Jordan didn’t win one until his 7th year. It took Giannis into his 8th year to win his – to date-only one. Same with the Joker. There are myriad elite players who took several seasons to win even one title, and some are in the Hall of Fame without even that. Give the dude some slack. But I agree that he didn’t play to his stat line in the Finals.
Let the off-season trade rumors begin!
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June 14th, 2026 at 7:04:56 AM
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Wemby averaged 26 points a game in the final. It's not like he pulled a George McGiness.
I think the Spurs need to trade for a veteran Center that will allow Wemby to play forward. With players like Harper and Bryant in the wings, SA has plenty of trade material
Magic won as a rookie, but the Lakers were great before he joined them. The Lakers had the #1 pick because they swindled the Jazz out of it.
Tim Duncan won early, but his draft position was the result of David Robinson missing the season.
Kobe won early, but he joined a championship team.
Kareem won, but only after the team traded for Oscar Robertson.
I think the Spurs need to trade for a veteran Center that will allow Wemby to play forward. With players like Harper and Bryant in the wings, SA has plenty of trade material
Magic won as a rookie, but the Lakers were great before he joined them. The Lakers had the #1 pick because they swindled the Jazz out of it.
Tim Duncan won early, but his draft position was the result of David Robinson missing the season.
Kobe won early, but he joined a championship team.
Kareem won, but only after the team traded for Oscar Robertson.
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June 14th, 2026 at 8:49:37 AM
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Karl Malone. Charles Barkley. John Stockton. Patrick Ewing. Steve Nash. Elgin Baylor. Allen Iverson. Reggie Miller. Dominique Wilkins. Harthorne Wingo.
Who is the greatest of that group? Only Wingo won a championship.
And of course although a very good player, who considers 7 time champion Robert Horry an all time great?
Who is the greatest of that group? Only Wingo won a championship.
And of course although a very good player, who considers 7 time champion Robert Horry an all time great?
June 14th, 2026 at 8:55:48 AM
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Quote: SOOPOOKarl Malone. Charles Barkley. John Stockton. Patrick Ewing. Steve Nash. Elgin Baylor. Allen Iverson. Reggie Miller. Dominique Wilkins. Harthorne Wingo.
Who is the greatest of that group? Only Wingo won a championship.
And of course although a very good player, who considers 7 time champion Robert Horry an all time great?
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my point was that centers, especially 7 footers, are the ones that tend to get the most criticism and much of it is undeserved
talented 7 foot + Centers carry high expectations - they're expected to be very dominant
Patrick Ewing is a perfect example
I believe he got much more criticism than the others you mentioned
from Espn:
"Yes, Patrick Ewing faced significant criticism for never winning an NBA championship, with his lack of a ring often used by critics to diminish his legacy and place him below other all-time great centers.
The Criticism
Missing the Elite Tier:
Because championships define legacy in the eyes of many, critics and media members (such as analysts at ESPN) frequently placed Ewing on a tier below centers like Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O'Neal, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
Playoff Shortcomings:
Ewing was criticized for specific missed opportunities, such as the infamous Game 7 loss against the Indiana Pacers in 1995 and John Starks' brutal 2-for-18 shooting performance in Game 7 of the 1994 NBA Finals against the Houston Rockets."
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June 14th, 2026 at 9:04:35 AM
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I can only hope someday chants of Wemby are as common as the chants of Wingo that used to fill MSG. It must be strange to have fans chanting for the 12th man, as they did with Wingo.
Wingo was recruited to Wake Forest( I think) but didn't make the academic grades needed. He played for a small school, but couldn't afford it and dropped out. He moved to NYC and played pickup games before signing with a semi-pro league in Harlem. Two years later, he made the Knicks and was beloved. Between his name and gangly frame, he was a big hit and became nearly as popular as Phil "Action" Jackson off the bench. It's a shame he didn't live to see this title.
Wingo was recruited to Wake Forest( I think) but didn't make the academic grades needed. He played for a small school, but couldn't afford it and dropped out. He moved to NYC and played pickup games before signing with a semi-pro league in Harlem. Two years later, he made the Knicks and was beloved. Between his name and gangly frame, he was a big hit and became nearly as popular as Phil "Action" Jackson off the bench. It's a shame he didn't live to see this title.
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June 14th, 2026 at 1:19:20 PM
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I haven't heard anyone badmouthing Wemby. His physical attributes and skills are obvious to everyone. Everyone realizes he's early in his career and is playing on the youngest team in the NBA. And that his presence on defense has an effect on the game that is hard to capture with statistics.
What I am uncertain about is why the younger team was also the more tired team.
What I am uncertain about is why the younger team was also the more tired team.
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