Shohei Ohtani

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April 8th, 2018 at 5:23:59 PM permalink

Here is the video of Ohtani's 12k masterpiece today

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April 8th, 2018 at 5:34:18 PM permalink

Hmmmm.

I don't have the expertise to evaluate what he did there.

I found it highly interesting that Japan Airlines and Toyota bought a significant amount of time on the rolling billboard that appears prominently in every shot of Ohtani from that camera angle. Doubt that was a coincidence. Those ad guys, they don't miss much.

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April 9th, 2018 at 2:25:26 PM permalink

Quote: SM777
https://sports.yahoo.com/verdict-shohei-ohtanis-bat-not-good-023611674.html

Good article.

I think it's quite clear to many that the hitting experiment won't last very long.

Jeff Passan above article pretty much dismissed Ohtani as over hyped
The new Jeff Passan article

Dear Shohei: I'm sorry. I was totally wrong about you

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/10-degrees-dear-shohei-im-sorry-totally-wrong-060850661.html

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April 10th, 2018 at 6:01:27 AM permalink

Funny satire

Annoyed Shohei Ohtani Had Hoped U.S. Baseball Players Wouldn�t Be This Bad

https://sports.theonion.com/annoyed-shohei-ohtani-had-hoped-u-s-baseball-players-w-1825116523

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April 10th, 2018 at 6:43:11 AM permalink

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I�m not sure exactly where it happened but terapined you have pole vaulted the shark

It's incredible. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like the love Terapined has for him through 7% (maybe) of the season?

News flash: He's not the next Babe Ruth.

Top flight starting pitcher, the hitting will be forgotten soon.

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April 10th, 2018 at 7:36:48 AM permalink

Regardless of whether or not he goes through a rough patch or does very well all year don�t see a scenario where he can be a realistic MVP or Cy Young candidate. He simply won�t get the workload required for it to be possible, if he stays healthy innings will be restricted throughout season or late shut down. If he ends up with 10+ homers and 150 K�s with decent ratios I�ll be impressed. The real story if he doesn�t get figured out is what can they put around him and Trout in coming years.

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April 10th, 2018 at 1:24:05 PM permalink

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Regardless of whether or not he goes through a rough patch or does very well all year don�t see a scenario where he can be a realistic MVP or Cy Young candidate. He simply won�t get the workload required for it to be possible, if he stays healthy innings will be restricted throughout season or late shut down. If he ends up with 10+ homers and 150 K�s with decent ratios I�ll be impressed. The real story if he doesn�t get figured out is what can they put around him and Trout in coming years.

As for mvp, his overall usage should exceed that of most players, or really, all other players. 250 to 300 PAs would be about 45 to 50% of a full time batter. 150 IPs would be about 70% of a typical cy young candidate.

Maybe i should have taken the mvp bet at 30-1 afterall. If he winds up 120% of a normal top player, that's a compelling point in his favor

I agree that a Cy Young is almost impossible.
I saw no cy young at -300 on bovada last night. I think that's a fantastic bet, but I'm crippled there.

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April 10th, 2018 at 1:49:04 PM permalink

Just wait until mid-season when he reveals he is really a lefty.

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April 10th, 2018 at 1:59:02 PM permalink

I know this is super early but if we just assume for a sec the following. He has nearly 200 innings, 16 wins, and 40 home runs for the next 3 season. What salary does he get? He will only make 545k for the next 3 seasons. He would have made 100mil in Japan.

Is it possible that he could be given a 5 year 250 million salary?

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April 10th, 2018 at 2:02:28 PM permalink

Quote: GWAE
I know this is super early but if we just assume for a sec the following. He has nearly 200 innings, 16 wins, and 40 home runs for the next 3 season. What salary does he get? He will only make 545k for the next 3 seasons. He would have made 100mil in Japan.

Is it possible that he could be given a 5 year 250 million salary?

That would be a minimum. 40 HR a year playing only around 110 games would be by far the most valuable hitter in all of baseball. 16 wins would be disappointing though. That is only a win or two above 'replacement'.

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April 10th, 2018 at 2:07:40 PM permalink

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That would be a minimum. 40 HR a year playing only around 110 games would be by far the most valuable hitter in all of baseball. 16 wins would be disappointing though. That is only a win or two above 'replacement'.

I didn't want to go crazy and say a 40 and 20 wins. Maybe I should have said 20 wins and 35 home runs.

I wonder if there is an insuraxne policy that he could get. Would be hard to walk away from 100 mil.

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April 10th, 2018 at 2:18:06 PM permalink

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I didn't want to go crazy and say a 40 and 20 wins. Maybe I should have said 20 wins and 35 home runs.

I wonder if there is an insuraxne policy that he could get. Would be hard to walk away from 100 mil.

Dude..no more whiskey in the Pepsi.... He hit 22 in 300+ AB�s in 2016 and 8 in 200 in �17...maybe developing power but it�s Japan...where the F are you projecting this 30+ HR in part time at bats power from?

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April 10th, 2018 at 2:22:26 PM permalink

Quote: GWAE

Is it possible that he could be given a 5 year 250 million salary?

Yep

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April 10th, 2018 at 4:03:44 PM permalink

Quote: mcallister3200
Dude..no more whiskey in the Pepsi.... He hit 22 in 300+ AB�s in 2016 and 8 in 200 in �17...maybe developing power but it�s Japan...where the F are you projecting this 30+ HR in part time at bats power from?

Its just a silly futures conversation. I dont actually think he would be able to get those numbers. Just curious what kind of cash he would get if he were to do it. Top end arms get 25 mil and top end bats get 20 mil. Would someone be crazy enough to give him both numbers. Kinda like leveon bell is trying to pull with the Steelers. They offered him 12 mil but he declined because he thinks he is worth 8 mil for running and 10 mil for receiving.

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April 10th, 2018 at 4:10:11 PM permalink

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T 16 wins would be disappointing though. That is only a win or two above 'replacement'.

Not on the Angels. If I am not mistaken they didn't have anyone with more than 12 wins last year.

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April 10th, 2018 at 5:50:37 PM permalink

Quote: DRich
Not on the Angels. If I am not mistaken they didn't have anyone with more than 12 wins last year.

I'd be thrilled with 16 wins. I'd be thrilled with 20 home runs
Angels are being real careful with him
They got him pretty much on the Japan league pitching schedule.
Pitch once a week. Next scheduled start is Sunday
He had the day off yesterday and surprised he's not in the lineup tonight.
He does bat left and TX is pitching a lefty
Even though he is making the min, I think its the smart move to come over now
Get used to the Major League ball now rather then later. (the actual baseball is a little different in Japan with higher seams)
He's only 23, might as well develop and improve against the best

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April 10th, 2018 at 6:00:18 PM permalink

Quote: DRich
Not on the Angels. If I am not mistaken they didn't have anyone with more than 12 wins last year.

This. If he averages 16 wins for the next 3 years he will get a very large contract even if he hits very poorly.

Another aspect of this "prospect" is he brings hope and excitement to the Angels (and the MLB in general). The Angels had little hope over the last 3 years. Trout banged up missing games, Pujols aging/under performing, and a no name pitching staff (starters and bullpen). Now they are off to a hot start and the future seems a little brighter. Of course they still have to deal with the Astros in their division, so it will be very tough to win the AL West.

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April 10th, 2018 at 7:02:13 PM permalink

Quote: Keeneone
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Another aspect of this "prospect" is he brings hope and excitement to the Angels (and the MLB in general).

It will be interesting to see the attendance average between when he is pitching and not.

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April 10th, 2018 at 7:43:02 PM permalink

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It will be interesting to see the attendance average between when he is pitching and not.

I'm driving over for the Sunday afternoon game against the Yankees. I certainly hope he is in the lineup that day.

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April 10th, 2018 at 10:39:59 PM permalink

Pick a number.
His wins plus Home Runs.
Over or under 50?
Wins plus Home Runs more or less than Top Yankee Home Run guy
Trout, Fat Albert and his HRs plus wins vs Top two Yankees. Three players vs two.
Is he in the top 5 in either wins or strikeouts at seasons end? Both?
Does he make the All Star Team? Before you answer, remember the Angels should have Trout and Fat Albert( sentimental last year pick) so more guys from a mediocre club might be a stretch.

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April 11th, 2018 at 4:06:25 AM permalink

These are great ideas. Maybe you should try to get a book to post them.

I think wons plus HRs is low 30s. I'll say 33. Less than top yankee. He is an all star. Top 5 on ks for the AL but not MLB.

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April 11th, 2018 at 4:39:56 AM permalink

Yes well under 50 wins and home runs. His pace will slow considerably now that the league is aware of him.

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April 12th, 2018 at 7:44:13 PM permalink

Ohtani Update
6th inning 2 outs man on 2nd. Ohtani gets intentionally walked. That's respect. Royals fans boo. They want to see Ohtani bat
7th inning. Bases loaded. Ohtani hits a triple.
He leads his team with 11 RBI's. Trout has 10 RBI's with twice as many at bats
So far this year batting 360 OBP 429 and an insane 800 SLG
No doubt Ohtani can hit.
How about that slide into 3rd :-)

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April 13th, 2018 at 12:45:06 AM permalink

He lifted his hands to prevent injury.

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April 13th, 2018 at 4:23:36 AM permalink

Quote: terapined
Ohtani Update

So far this year batting 360 OBP 429

not all that meaningful this early

Mookie Betts is batting 370 and has a 455 OBP with many more at bats

he batted 264 last year

but I'm not disputing that Ohtani is exciting
but need to see much more to certify greatness as a batter

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April 13th, 2018 at 6:20:49 AM permalink

Quote: lilredrooster
not all that meaningful this early

Mookie Betts is batting 370 and has a 455 OBP with many more at bats

he batted 264 last year

but I'm not disputing that Ohtani is exciting
but need to see much more to certify greatness as a batter

I consider Mookie Betts a very good young player
I am pretty impressed with a 294 career avg
A player of his caliber, hitting over 300 is not surprising
It would not surprise me if he stays over 300 the rest of the season
He's that good.

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April 13th, 2018 at 12:01:04 PM permalink

Quote: lilredrooster
not all that meaningful this early

Mookie Betts is batting 370 and has a 455 OBP with many more at bats

he batted 264 last year

but I'm not disputing that Ohtani is exciting
but need to see much more to certify greatness as a batter

I think it's a very very strong intication that he is a useful MLB hitter.

It's a decent indication he is an above average hitter.

It does not go very far in proving him to be a great hitter like Betts or someone. But is a step in the right direction.

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April 13th, 2018 at 12:47:24 PM permalink

There are currently twenty players in the MLB batting over .340 It's very reasonable to think that 90% or more of them will not keep this pace up all year.
I would think it's closer to 95% that a rookie hitting that today won't end the season doing that.

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April 21st, 2018 at 5:10:22 PM permalink

He had a rough start against a quality team in the Bosox this week.
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/red-sox-vs-angels/2018/04/17/529655#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=529655

But there seems to be no denying he is a draw to the ballpark.
3 game mid week set against Boston attendance (from MLB box scores):

Tue = 44,822 (night Ohtani pitched)
Wed= 34,508
Thu = 36,253

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April 21st, 2018 at 8:50:37 PM permalink

Quote: Keeneone
He had a rough start against a quality team in the Bosox this week.
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/red-sox-vs-angels/2018/04/17/529655#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=529655

But there seems to be no denying he is a draw to the ballpark.
3 game mid week set against Boston attendance (from MLB box scores):

Tue = 44,822 (night Ohtani pitched)
Wed= 34,508
Thu = 36,253

I didn't see that game, but according to some post-game reports I saw, I understand there may have been an issue with a developing & expanding blister that was becoming apparent in the 2nd inning, on a finger on his pitching hand of course.

I understand he had blister issues that kept him out for several months during one of his seasons in Japan, but he's been quoted as saying he thinks this one is relatively minor and no big deal. I do think there's some special cause for concern along these lines with him moving right into MLB level starting pitching with no minor league development & gradual adjustment period other than spring training work.

What I particularly wonder about is the subtle physical adjustment to gripping the different ball. Japanese professional baseball uses a ball that is a little smaller diameter and is wound more tightly than MLB specs, which also gives them a small resulting difference in seam height. I think it might not take much difference to matter. Especially on the most sensitive between-the-fingers area of skin tissue that's particularly important for throwing some breaking balls, while being in a process of developing slightly different pressure points and subtle potential differences in grip angles. Put simply, his Japan ball calluses might not be in exactly the right spots for the same pitch now.

But he slides pretty. Impeccable form. He could give lessons on that to some teammates to help keep them off the disabled list.

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April 22nd, 2018 at 6:47:29 AM permalink

Quote: Keeneone
He had a rough start against a quality team in the Bosox this week.
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/red-sox-vs-angels/2018/04/17/529655#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=529655

Yes he did. He pitched 2 innings and gave up three runs and left with a blister on his hand.

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April 22nd, 2018 at 5:44:15 PM permalink

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Yes he did. He pitched 2 innings and gave up three runs and left with a blister on his hand.

He played (DH) today and went 1 for 4 with 2 strikeouts. He is also listed as starting @ HOU on Tuesday. I look forward to watching that division rival game on tv.

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April 22nd, 2018 at 5:49:50 PM permalink

I'm driving to the game on next Sunday. Hope he plays.

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April 22nd, 2018 at 6:14:24 PM permalink

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I'm driving to the game on next Sunday. Hope he plays.

If he pitches Tuesday you probably won;t see him pitching Sunday.

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April 27th, 2018 at 7:45:55 PM permalink

Ohtani 1st at bat ever against the New York Yankees
He goes yard
.349/.391/.698 4HR

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May 4th, 2018 at 5:01:47 AM permalink

Ohtani continues to hit well
2 for 3 last nite for a pretty impressive slash line of .327/.373/.618.

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May 4th, 2018 at 8:04:14 AM permalink

I was very disappointed he didn't play Sunday. I was looking forward to seeing him.

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May 4th, 2018 at 8:22:29 AM permalink

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I was very disappointed he didn't play Sunday. I was looking forward to seeing him.

Unlucky timing, but at least the Yanks won.

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May 4th, 2018 at 9:02:04 AM permalink

Being TOO GOOD really EARLY has turned out to be bad in the long run. For instance, there was an American Idol contestant who blew both the live audience, the viewing audience, and the staff away with her amazing,"And I Am Telling You," reinedition. The applause was thundering. The rub was she did it very early on, like her third performance. My sister said something with a worried frown on her face,"That performance was amazing but it's a bad idea to have done it so early on. She should have done it much later on because it will be hard to top that. I predict she'll be gone in a few episodes" The woman was eliminated like 4 episodes later and I told my sister and she said"I knew something like that was going to happen once she did such an amazing song so early. What did I tell you? I called it!"

I have a feeling that this baseball player would have done better if he started off shaky and THEN gradually snowballed into a fantastic player. Being a fantastic baseball player so early on could end up badly and he is already receiving some backlash.

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May 4th, 2018 at 9:43:36 AM permalink

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I have a feeling that this baseball player would have done better if he started off shaky and THEN gradually snowballed into a fantastic player. Being a fantastic baseball player so early on could end up badly and he is already receiving some backlash.

He did start out shaky
Real shaky
His spring training was so bad, scouts were insisting he be sent down to the minors

What backlash? I follow him very closely. Watch him live every time he plays. Really looking forward to Sunday when he pitches.

Starting out great is a huge positive. You are now relaxed at the plate rather then pressing and having a slump and continuing the slump by pressing too hard.

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May 4th, 2018 at 10:29:39 AM permalink

Quote: terapined
He did start out shaky
Real shaky
His spring training was so bad, scouts were insisting he be sent down to the minors

What backlash? I follow him very closely. Watch him live every time he plays. Really looking forward to Sunday when he pitches.

Starting out great is a huge positive. You are now relaxed at the plate rather then pressing and having a slump and continuing the slump by pressing too hard.

For some reason, I thought he started off fantastic right off bat, no pun intended. I didn't know his spring training was horrible. When I say backlash I mean the "Overrated and over hyped," comments that have already been started to be said about him.

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May 5th, 2018 at 5:56:23 AM permalink

Another good night at the plate last night for Ohtani
2 for 4 with an rbi Double last nite
He is now being shut down at the plate as he gets ready to pitch on Sunday
5th week in the majors and his slash line stands at .339/.391/.627
Pretty impressive.
I see him staying above 300 for the season. He's that good at the plate
Looking forward to how he does on the mound Sunday
Should be back in the batting lineup next Tuesday.

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May 5th, 2018 at 8:50:38 AM permalink

Its sho-time~

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May 7th, 2018 at 6:01:59 AM permalink

He pitched a good game yesterday picking up a win for a 3-1 record
6 IP, 6 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 6 K

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May 11th, 2018 at 5:09:49 AM permalink

Ohtani still very hot at the plate
RBI Double and home run to Dead Center last nite
His impressive stats so far
23-65 for a .354 avg 5 HR and 16 RBI.
Bats tonight then off Sat and pitches Sunday

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June 6th, 2018 at 4:15:40 AM permalink

I would have to say Ohtani's pitching debut so far is pretty fantastic for a rookie

he's 6-2 with an ERA of 3.18 and WHIP of 1.08........his ERA+ is 130

it looks like this guy is living up to the hype

unrelated but yesterday another great pitcher, the Nats Max Scherzer struck out 3 in the 6th inning with just 9 pitches.
that is very rare

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June 6th, 2018 at 5:00:31 AM permalink

Quote: lilredrooster
I would have to say Ohtani's pitching debut so far is pretty fantastic for a rookie

he's 6-2 with an ERA of 3.18 and WHIP of 1.08........his ERA+ is 130

it looks like this guy is living up to the hype

Ohtani is having a good season pitching but he is not 6-2. He should be 6-1 and if had some run support in a few games.
He's 4-1 , the rest is correct, ERA 3.18 WHIP 1.08
Right now Pitching a lot better then hitting
His hitting has cooled off but he still batting a very respectable .289/.372/.535 6 home runs 20 RBI 114 AB
He is pitching tonight and I'm looking forward to it

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