I was sitting at a local book today and was checking some odds on "the board". In a matter of minutes an odds change occurred that I just did not understand. I was looking @ the First 5 Innings Run Total in the ARI/COL wild card game.
It was listed as 4 runs total
Over Even
Under -120
And then it switched to 4.5 runs total
Over +110
Under -130
Anyone know how/why this can occur (other than an error)?
NYY and ARI advance out of the Wildcard spots.
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NYY @ CLE
Game 1 - Gray vs Bauer
As a NYY fan, I am surprised Tanaka is not starting Game 1.
Game 2 - Kluber vs CC Sabathia - great matchup, ex-CLE Ace vs current CLE Ace
Cleveland is an excellent team. Do they have any weak spots? I say no. You are only going to beat them with your best performance.
Quote: KeeneoneCleveland is an excellent team. Do they have any weak spots? I say no. You are only going to beat them with your best performance.
Not only that but they are so darn HOT !! They just can't seem to lose. They also got robbed last year when the Umps decided to call a rain delay when they had the Cubs on the ropes giving the Cubs a much needed rest to regroup. I think Cleveland wins last year if they play on in that slight drizzle. You would think that the Dodgers and Cleveland would meet in the World Series but since the Dodgers have been on a huge slump for the last month or so I am not sure they will make it to the dance. Anything can happen but I think Cleveland wins the Series this year.
So now that I told you my expert pick I think that anyone who has extra money should bet the Yankees to win the ALDS :)
Take your winnings from the Yankees and parlay it on the Dodgers to win it all :)
So, it will be Cleveland over Arizona in six. Because it must. Because my future book wager this year is on Arizona to win the National League Championship Pennant, at boxcar odds. But then, not the World Series. Because the noble indigenous tribe of Chief Wahoo will never lose another game, to anyone, ever. Certainly not to communist hosiery, or space cadets. But at the prices available now and all this year, they also can't be bet. At least not by me, at those odds, for anything in baseball. Unlike last year. Dammit.
I'm not sure I correctly understand the thread starter question, about the o/u line movement on the COL-ARI play-in game. You mean, something other than the usual reason for a line movement, with significant money on one side inducing a movement to re-balance the action? Because that would be my one and only reply to offer on that. Sorry about the late timing, if it was asked for some practical reason to do something with it at the time. Last night I was busy occupying a nosebleed seat way up near the deafening, shaking roof of Chase Field. And then joining the mob of crazed baseball ruffians* roving about on the streets of Phoenix inventing creatively obscene variations of the eternally popular "Beat LA." Use your imagination; you'll come up with about half of them. Lotsa fun, and way more entertainment value than I was looking for from my ticket. A little more dull in some late spots would've been just fine with me.
*Since this is Phoenix we're talking about, that means Phoenicians waving their official team issued rally towels in the air while chanting somewhat fiercely about defeating another team. With a cocktail glass held carefully in the other hand. I believe that qualifies as a riot in the streets by Phoenix standards.
4.5 -110
action poured in on under and some places moved the juice as far as:
4.5 under -150
before finally dropping it down to:
4 -110
I'll predict Nats/Indians. I think people are sleeping on the Nats a bit (from fan POV, not betting). Max/Stras/Geo ain't nothing to mess with.
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Arizona vs LA
I am looking forward to this series between division rivals. How much (or how often) will the broadcasters mention/show the "Great Pool incident" of 2013...
Cool to hear you went to the Wild Card game. When it was 6-0, I thought the game was over and changed the channel.
Using "Phoenicians" to describe Phoenix, AZ residents sounded weird to me (in a funny way, made me chuckle)...
It's gonna suck being stuck with just the inferior sports.
Quote: RigondeauxDown 8 to 3 and lindor hits an effing grand slam, off the poll no less.
It's gonna suck being stuck with just the inferior sports.
The inning "should" have ended before Lindor batted. Many will question why no challenge was made by the Yanks after the "Hit by Pitch" to Chisenhall.
As DD has mentioned CLE is unstoppable by anyone/anywhere/anytime in 2017.
Baseball Fever...Catch it!
Care to expand on your second sentence?
Go Yankees.
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Go Yankees.
I despise political correctness so I have to root for:
I think they get that a lot, so I've been told. The City of Phoenix generally makes me chuckle.Quote: Keeneone...<SNIP>...
Using "Phoenicians" to describe Phoenix, AZ residents sounded weird to me (in a funny way, made me chuckle)...
I'll also be there for the Division Series game 3 when LA comes to Phoenix on Monday. Strangely, at least to me, while the Colorado game sold out in less than an hour and it was a lucky fluke that I was able to get in to get a direct sale ticket without paying way beyond face value in the secondary market on StubHub, tickets for the division series games were much easier to get, and I think there may even be some left direct from the team site. I got mine before the 'wild card' play-in game, but I thought once the location was certain a whole lot of blue clad Angelenos would be flooding in, turning PHX into an LA suburb. But they haven't. Yet, anyways.
I can't honestly expect to cash this wager at this point; I've not gotten delusional about it that way. Yet. But I feel at least temporarily a little smug just to still be live with it now, this far along with such a big longshot in the early futures prices. I've at least gotten plenty of fun for my money on this already.
The lines, last I checked this AM:
Sat-8/7
CHC +110; WAS -120
AZD +132; LAD -142
Sun-8/8
HOU -138; BOS +128
CLE -114; NYY +104
AL PENNANT
CLE 5/6
HOU 5/4
NYY 12/1
BOS 16/1
NL PENNANT
LAD 1/1
CHC 9/4
WAS 6/1
AZD 8/1
Good luck to all. But especially to me, 'cause now I need a wee bit more of it than most.
I'm still a little weepy about the Twins playing 1 good inning. Got my hopes up, they did. But the force run was disgusting. I think PM might have dropped the management ball a bit, to let his pitcher get into that situation and then pitch wrong-handed. But I'm not knowledgeable enough about the game to make any real second-guessing call on it.
Sigh. At least they went from losing 100 last year to the playoffs this year. Much praise for the improvement.
It HAD to be the Yankees? Insufferable. Sigh.
So now it is possible to start feeling a slight twinge of empathy about the swift demise of your Twins. Actually, Chief Wahoo and I were pulling for them to find a way... preferably after about 37 innings.
Since Keeneone (sensibly) changed the channel on Wednesday (and I'd like to re-change the channel on my mood) here's the big moment of the later innings of that:
I'd say easily 20% or more of the fans at Chase Field show up wearing t-shirts that say "Bring in the Beard!" with an outline of Archie Bradley's distinctive face on them, and he has become enormously popular in Phoenix. As a relief pitcher. But never before for using a bat. So that was fun.
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Since Keeneone (sensibly) changed the channel on Wednesday (and I'd like to re-change the channel on my mood) here's the big moment of the later innings of that:
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I definitely missed that gem on live tv. It was a great moment of Playoff baseball (unless you were the pitcher or a Rox fan). I think I found you in the crowd. You were the fan under the Petsmart sign wearing this shirt right?
Well the Yankees (aka the Evil Empire) will stay alive for one more game. Apparently Cleveland can be beat...if you steal home runs from them.
Another big day of games (4) slated for Monday, weather may be an issue for some games (BOS/NYC).
I actually like ARI (+110) with Greinke against Darvish. glta.
That was a great clip. All the joy of baseball, no big ego strutting. And does something never done before. And wins the game. That's pretty special.
Thanks for the empathy. Perhaps you'll prevail anyway.
Quote: DrawingDeadAh well, after Arizona's pitching staff was turned to scrambled eggs in the (super entertaining) game with Colorado, in order to be competitive in this NLDS series they really needed to get super lucky in one of the games at Dodger Stadium. And didn't. They'll be double digit odds for getting even a sniff of the NL Pennant now, and should be, so I believe my wager is unofficially worthless. But I won't go telling them that, and here's hoping they can still show a crowd of Phoenicians a rollicking good time for a few hours on Monday.
So now it is possible to start feeling a slight twinge of empathy about the swift demise of your Twins. Actually, Chief Wahoo and I were pulling for them to find a way... preferably after about 37 innings.
Since Keeneone (sensibly) changed the channel on Wednesday (and I'd like to re-change the channel on my mood) here's the big moment of the later innings of that:
I'd say easily 20% or more of the fans at Chase Field show up wearing t-shirts that say "Bring in the Beard!" with an outline of Archie Bradley's distinctive face on them, and he has become enormously popular in Phoenix. As a relief pitcher. But never before for using a bat. So that was fun.
In all my years of watching baseball, I can't recall a player on base going into the dugout during a pitching change.
Can anyone?
The WiFi here sux eggs already even before most folks get here. But this time I won't need no stnkin' binoculars from this seat, so I'll take that trade..
They have two guys with little vacuums doing evey blade of grass in the outfield. Sheesh. Will they scrub & comb & floss it, before players start spitting on it?
ADD....
Middle 4th:Howzit even possible LA only has 1 run? Greinke looking like outta gas before leaving bullpen. 88 pitches, about half balls.
Top 5th, nuttin stiring in pen. Game plan: ritual sacrifice of furry mascot induces divine intervention.
Hope the Yankees go next, but the last game is a crap shoot. There are things I like about the Yankees (the tree in right field and the rookie Catcher really are awesome, wish they were on another team).
Cubbies could finish off the Nats today. I'm rooting for the Nationals because well the Cubbies had their World Series.
I would like to see a Nationals - Astros world series. Houston's offense is just nasty. Can't say the same about Cleveland without Edwing.
Go Yankees.
Now I have no active baseball wagers. This is morally offensive and I think probably illegal in Nevada, but I don’t see anything I want to buy at this point. Here’s the apparent consensus of current World Series futures odds that I’ve converted to the implied break-even win percentage probability (first number including vig), and the FiveThirtyEight estimate of World Series win probability (second number), and the difference between the two (#2 - #1).
LAD 31%, 27%, -4
HOU 25%, 24%, -1
CLE 20%, 23%, +3
CHC 18%, 15%, -3
NYY 11%, 7%, -4
WAS 6%, 4%, -2
As two division series are decided while the other two are unresolved, this could alternatively be viewed as: 31%/30% for the winner of the New York @Cleveland elimination game, and 24%/19% for the winner of the Washingon-Chicago series. The “overnight” of tomorrow’s individual game moneyline at Westgate:
WAS +154, CHC -164
NYY +170, CLE -185
Hard to watch Dusty pull Mad Max. Just leave him in and let your best win or lose the game. One hit and he is pulled? It felt
like a regular season move.
Looking forward to today’s games. Go Yanks!
I thought that he wouldn't go on until the game was over, but he started promptly at 8:15.
Four down. Eight to go.
Go Gnats. Because winning stuff is not what Cubs are for; that's just so wrong. Last night Westgate had them at CHC -120/WAS +110. Looks like they've moved their line to -105/-105 this morning.
Quote: billryanEight to go.
I’am pretty happy with the Wild Card and division series win over CLE.
Quote: SM777Should be a great game 5 tonight!
Who is even pitching for the Nat’s? Roark or Gio?
I am hoping for a high presssure, rollercoaster, slugfest in this one...
ALCS Game 1 NYY@HOU line is running from +160/-180 to +155/-175.
World Series futures implied probability (break even pct with vig) / FiveThirtyEight's probability estimate:
LAD 33%/30%
HOU 31%/29%
NYY 26%/21%
CHC 13%/10%
WAS 13%/10%
in my opinion the probability that it will be LAD & HOU in the WS after winning their respective NL/AL pennants is higher than that, and I'm debating how to structure some wagers accordingly.
EDIT to add, postgame:
I think it might be time for people in Washington to begin whispering about The Curse of Youppi, the old Montreal Expos mascot who was jilted when that franchise rudely dumped their adoring Quebec fans, split town to head for a swamp on the Potomac, and changed their name…
So now it will be up to LA to reestablish the natural order of the universe, restoring devoted Cubs followers to their proper & customary state of misery. And incidentally to stick a fork in the Cubshype & Maddonworship industry. I think they are well equipped to get that public service done.
Before the CHC-WAS game I placed wagers on both the Dodgers & Astros to win the World Series, each of them booked at 2/1. So for that to be profitable requires > 67% expectation that one of them will win it. Yeah, that’s probably pushing my opinion right up to the edge, because this is baseball, and lotsa random stuff happens. I also have a smaller wager on the Dodgers to win the NLCS. Wagering on Houston to win the ALCS was off the board. But as a baseball fan I’m fine with any result that does not involve the unnatural & obnoxious outcome of a blue teddy bear themed outfit winning any more things & stuff.
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I'll predict Nats/Indians. .
Buy my MLB post season ten star package for just $499.
Quote: billryanWhat a horrible way to snuff out a rally. I really hate that rule.
The replay review of the pick off @ 1st base in the eighth?
Quote: RigondeauxBuy my MLB post season ten star package for just $499.
Funny. A real tout would have said something like this...
Sorry everyone, I thought this thread was about 2018 MLB futures.
The Encarcion play in Game One was equally bad, in my opinion
Quote: Joe Girardi...We thought he was out, but God knows I'm not doin' THAT again.
I'm becoming more interested in the o/u run lines, but I'm not experienced at evaluating those so I'm not betting them for now.
Probably not everyone here has ready access to everything Nevada books put on the board, so here's some William Hill lines as of about half past noon today:
ALCS Gm2: NYY +122, HOU -132
NLCS Gm1 CHC +170, LAD -190
AL Pennant: NYY +235, HOU -275
NL Pennant: CHC +165, LAD -185
Here are props I have lines for. I found a couple of them intriguing, but didn't have the data available with me to feel strongly enough to bet it/them, either individually or in an arbitrage with something that should tend to be correlated. But i have some tentative opinions about some of these, and would be interested in others thoughts on them regardless of outcome today:
Score first: NYY -140, HOU +120
Game total runs+hits+errors NYY+HOU 24.5, OV -110, UN -110
Most total bases (hits only): Gregorius vs Altuve 110/-110; and same prop: Judge vs. Correa -110/-110
Bird home run YES +450, NO -600; Springer home run YES +400, NO -550
Total K's: Severino 6.5 OV -120, UN +100; Verlander 6 OV -110, UN -110
Score first: CHC EV, LAD -120
Game total runs+hits+errors CHC+LAD 23, OV -110, UN -110
Most total bases (hits only): Rizzo vs Bellinger +105/-125; and same prop: Russell EV vs. Seager* -EV/-120
Bryant home run YES +350, NO -430; Turner home run YES +300, NO -360
Total K's: Quintana 5 OV -135, UN +115; Kershaw 7 OV -125, UN +105
*Line posted before Seager declared out of NLCS roster.
LAD vs CHI gives us 2 righties going, Darvish/Hendricks. Each allow over a home run per 9 innings. Combined with:
http://www.windsblowingout.com/index.php
I am looking at the over 8 runs.
I really enjoyed the first two tight tough games of the ALCS, which I thought were very well played, and not necessarily because of the result. I thought it was nice to have a couple of baseball games as a break from the season long home run derby. Okay, so that interlude is probably over now.
Before last night's game the betting market was pricing both Los Angeles and Houston each at nearly 85% probability of winning their respective pennants. Though it made my WS tickets look good, I thought and continue to think that was a no touch price overdoing it on the favorites after two games in each league holding serve at home ballparks. For example William Hill had HOU at -475 after the 2nd game, which would be far too chalky to swallow especially considering the way those were won, and either or both series could easily be competitive. Beating out an infield hit, stealing a base, scratching out a run. In Houston, one outfielder fields cleanly and instantly wheels to perfectly hit the designated cutoff/relay for a crucial out at the plate by an eyelash, the other overthrows his designated cutoff resulting in a difficult relay from 2nd base when the play is at home allowing the winning run. Maybe show me a price like that -475 if it goes to 3-0 in Chicago, depending on the status of the respective pitching staffs after, otherwise getouttaherewidat.
Has Judge suddenly made the re-adjustment, as most talented but still young & developing players must do at some point, to close the exploitable hole opponents have discovered in his swing and stance in the box (breaking low & away, low & away, away, away, away) that changed him from a slugging machine to a strikeout machine in recent weeks? Or was he pitched poorly last night?
A little disappointed I probably won't get Lackey named as a starter in any of the NLCS games now. I saw a lot of him in St. Louis, and he's many very fine things, but he's not well suited to matchup specifically with the Dodger's lineup.
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Or was he pitched poorly last night?
Away, Away, Away. In general I think they have done a great job in shutting him down (and extending his slump). But trying to sneak a 2-2 fastball by seemed like a poor pitch choice when Judge connected for the home run.
https://www.mlb.com/video/judges-three-run-home-run/c-1863809783?tid=94787060
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LAD vs CHI gives us 2 righties going, Darvish/Hendricks. Each allow over a home run per 9 innings. Combined with:
http://www.windsblowingout.com/index.php
I am looking at the over 8 runs.
I'll be interested in that as I watch. I have a 'park factor' of 1.01 (101% of MLB avg. runs per game) for just a bare scosch over average runs/game at 9.3-ish in 2017, as a raw average unadjusted for other factors. Which seems a bit odd to me given Wrigley's reputation, even though that's what the numbers are saying. But that's for the regular season, makes no allowance for opponent or pitchers, and I don't yet have any way to account for game day weather & atmospheric (air density) conditions there.
I am getting just about to the point of being able to do this with reasonable confidence at some ballparks in the west including Chase Field, Dodger Stadium, Petco Park... while still with nothing more than a wildazzguess for variable conditions at Wrigley. No bet for me, but interested in that all the same.
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LAD vs CHI gives us 2 righties going, Darvish/Hendricks. Each allow over a home run per 9 innings. Combined with:
http://www.windsblowingout.com/index.php
I am looking at the over 8 runs.
Well I got that one wrong. 3 homers hit but all were solo shots early in the game. Combined 1-14 RISP...on to tonight.
Go Yanks.
Do Cubs fans actually want a win today or would they be satisfied with a sweep and last year's championship?
Quote: monet0412So now that I told you my expert pick I think that anyone who has extra money should bet the Yankees to win the ALDS :)
Take your winnings from the Yankees and parlay it on the Dodgers to win it all :)
I feel lik ZenKing and others who make mental bets and don't see any return profits 😢
Only money I have on this series is a bet on a Captain America statue with a shop owner from Houston.
In my experience, what Cubs fans mostly want is to get drunk and stay that way. And I want them to get a nice early start on that. 'Cause I'm such a thoughtful guy that way.Quote: KeeneoneWell I got that one wrong. 3 homers hit but all were solo shots early in the game. Combined 1-14 RISP...on to tonight.
Go Yanks.
Do Cubs fans actually want a win today or would they be satisfied with a sweep and last year's championship?
I think this would be an excellent time for Chicago to panic.Quote: MLB GamedayJustin Turner homers on a fly ball to left center field...
Yasiel Puig walks...
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I generally like all ballplayers (mostly Cubans) with first names starting with the letter Y. Because why not!
Who was the greatest MLB player with a first name starting with Y?
It would be great to get a classic New York Yankees vs Brooklyn Los Angeles Dodgers World Series...
The Yanks will seek revenge for their last defeat at the hands of the Dodgers in 1981. "The Empire Strikes Back".
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Do Cubs fans actually want a win today or would they be satisfied with a sweep and last year's championship?
I'm a HUGE Cubs fan and of course I wanted a win in game 4! I'd love a comeback however unlikely it is. I actually think our season probably comes to an end tonight but you never know.
Los Angeles Dodgers* 56%
New York Yankees 31%
Houston Astros 20%
Maleficent Agents of Satan 4%
The sum of my two WS tickets has diminished from the peak price of a couple days ago, but is still valued by the betting market at more than I paid for them in total, so there's that.
*I never got what they're supposed to be dodging nowadays around Echo Park between Sunset Blvd & the 110 Fwy. Seems like they'd have the Giant pretensions, or at least should represent the Immoderately Large, while that peninsula between Alcatraz and Salinas is manifestly Dodgy.