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May 4th, 2017 at 9:16:17 AM permalink
Any early games today, Steel?
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May 4th, 2017 at 9:16:33 AM permalink
Are you posting picks this mornin', steeldco?
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May 4th, 2017 at 9:19:15 AM permalink
I hope to shortly. I'm having trouble accessing the lines.
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May 4th, 2017 at 9:21:04 AM permalink
yayyy!!
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May 4th, 2017 at 9:23:47 AM permalink
I'm working on it. There will not be a pick in the Pirates vs. Reds game. Neither fit the algo.
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May 4th, 2017 at 9:39:03 AM permalink
Today's Picks:
 Brewers 130 +130Dogs 7X's
 Rockies -102
 Diamondbacks 230 Focus 7X's
 Mets 113
 Athletics 101
 Rangers 144 +130Dogs 1X's
 Angels 113
 Marlins 118
 Orioles 110
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May 4th, 2017 at 9:39:39 AM permalink
Nothing worse than having to type crap in rather than just being able to download a block of data.........
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May 4th, 2017 at 5:46:57 PM permalink
Not sure about the neutered dogs. I'm thinking there has to be some other options between 1x and 7x. Texas was a good pick I played it a bit bigged.

DBacks at +230 was a good focus flip/fade idea but I think the best 7x fades are 150 to 200 range and those are worthy of 3x to 7x. Above 200 and you're often having a crap fill-in pitcher on the road against talent and thus the odds get pretty long. Brewer should pay off too.
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May 5th, 2017 at 6:32:38 AM permalink
Dbacks were a Focus Pick. Not a fade. They were a great value despite going up against a pitcher that I believe is the best in the game.

Yesterday's Results:
 Rockies +100
 Diamondbacks -700
 Mets 0
 Athletics +101
 Rangers +144
 Angels -100
 Marlins -100
 Orioles +110

Yesterday's results: +465
+130dogs +1,054
Other dogs +11
Favorites +100
Focus Picks -700
FocusFlips 0

YTD Total -4,711
+130dogs +5,802
Other dogs -538
Favorites -858
Focus Picks -7,717
FocusFlips -1,400
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May 5th, 2017 at 7:44:35 AM permalink
You forgot the brewers winning.
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May 5th, 2017 at 9:10:14 AM permalink
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You forgot the brewers winning.



RS, nice catch. Thanks! Revision below. They were in the totals though......

Yesterday's Results:
 Brewers +910
 Rockies +100
 Diamondbacks -700
 Mets 0
 Athletics +101
 Rangers +144
 Angels -100
 Marlins -100
 Orioles +110

Yesterday's results: +465
+130dogs +1,054
Other dogs +11
Favorites +100
Focus Picks -700
FocusFlips 0

YTD Total -4,711
+130dogs +5,802
Other dogs -538
Favorites -858
Focus Picks -7,717
FocusFlips -1,400
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May 5th, 2017 at 9:16:14 AM permalink
Any picks for today?
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May 5th, 2017 at 9:28:59 AM permalink
Today's Picks:
 Phillies 149 +130Dogs 1X's
 Brewers 118
 Cardinals -102
 Marlins -104
 Reds -115 Focus 7X's
 White Sox 145 +130Dogs 7X's
 Tigers 103
 Mariners 112
 Cubs -115 Focus 7X's
 Diamondbacks 105 Focus 7X's
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May 5th, 2017 at 5:55:39 PM permalink
Steel, What value did you see in the Dback yesterday aside from the +200 line. What makes you (or the algo) see value in one +200 line over another?
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May 6th, 2017 at 7:48:12 AM permalink
Quote: bazooooka

Steel, What value did you see in the Dback yesterday aside from the +200 line. What makes you (or the algo) see value in one +200 line over another?



This would be difficult to answer without going through the variables that are used within the algorithm and I won't be doing that. Sorry if I sound like a jerk but it is what it is.

In general, it's built around spotting trends. Which way are the specific stats that I track trending for each team and how meaningful is the trend.
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May 6th, 2017 at 7:49:44 AM permalink
Yesterday's Results:

 Phillies -100
 Brewers -100
 Cardinals +100
 Marlins -104
 Reds +700
 White Sox -700
 Tigers +103
 Mariners -100
 Cubs -805
 Diamondbacks +735

Yesterday's results: -271
+130dogs -800
Other dogs -97
Favorites -4
Focus Picks +630
FocusFlips 0

YTD Total -4,982
+130dogs +5,002
Other dogs -635
Favorites -862
Focus Picks -7,087
FocusFlips -1,400
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May 6th, 2017 at 9:18:44 AM permalink
A couple of notes. I have switched from using SBG Global lines to using Covers. Trying to access the data the last few days at SBG Global has been impossible. Making the switch required changing the structure of some of my tables and files. I will apologize in advance if I should have screwed up a line somewhere. I hated to do it since it was a lot of work. Why people can't seem to settle on how a team name should be spelled, is beyond me. Why do we have to have Chicago Cubs, Chicago Cubs-NL, Chi. Cubs, Chicago NL, Chgo. Cubs? Just the variations that I recall seeing, off the top of my head. Just a pain in the ass.......sorry for venting.

The new daily indicator shows a good day for the +130dogs today. Hope so.

Today's Picks:
 Twins 138 +130Dogs 7X's
 Blue Jays 106
 Nationals 100
 White Sox 190 +130Dogs 7X's
 Braves -107 Focus 7X's
 Marlins 120
 Giants 114
 Cubs -135 Focus 7X's
 Tigers 125
 Angels 111
 Rangers 100
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May 6th, 2017 at 2:18:01 PM permalink
Does your algo tell you when do to 7x vs 1x. And have you looked at scaling in between the 2? Maybe the +130 dogs are worthy of your max bet and the other ones not as much. I'd think that would have helped protect your capital. Especially since you seems to believe in the +130 picks the most and they've been good to you thus far.
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May 6th, 2017 at 3:21:40 PM permalink
Quote: bazooooka

Does your algo tell you when do to 7x vs 1x. And have you looked at scaling in between the 2? Maybe the +130 dogs are worthy of your max bet and the other ones not as much. I'd think that would have helped protect your capital. Especially since you seems to believe in the +130 picks the most and they've been good to you thus far.



It does not tell me to do 7X vs. 1X. Generally the 7Xs is used for all +130dog picks except for the 3 teams that I have sort of "blacklisted" and therefore use only the 1X. The Focus Picks (the only other ones at 7X's) this year have been extremely disappointing, but I do feel that it will turn. I can afford to hang in with them.

The +130dogs are the ones that are proven successful with a statistically significant sample size. None of the others are.
As a matter of fact, assuming that this year goes as planned, then I will probably using a higher multiple than 7 next year.........but I'm getting ahead of myself. :-)
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May 6th, 2017 at 5:04:42 PM permalink
I get a little worried when you start blacklisting teams. What's the logic behind that?
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May 6th, 2017 at 7:27:21 PM permalink
Blacklisting and bet bouncing are when he goes away from the algo. I suspect the algo does better without discretion. However, I think Steel will find that if he only played dogs...even the dogs when his algo says pick the fav...that his system sniffs out dogs consistently better. I've done well fading many of these fav picks. I've thought about fading all favorites that he posts thus watch them turn now.
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May 6th, 2017 at 9:18:08 PM permalink
I got the Reds at +115 ML for tomorrow. What do you think of that, Steeldco? Yay or nay?


Also, question......would it be possible for you to include the probability chance for each game you select? I remember before you were saying you bet on dogs that you believe to have a 45% chance to win or better (or something like that). If it's too much work or if you don't want to share that part of your system with us, I understand.
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May 6th, 2017 at 11:47:46 PM permalink
You can convert odds here. Add a few points for edge if one likes a pick. A 7x pick might be thought of as a 5% edge or more. Best capper in the world pick around 54-56% long term on a 50/50 bet.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/picks/tools/odds-converter/
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May 7th, 2017 at 12:47:59 AM permalink
Quote: bazooooka

You can convert odds here. Add a few points for edge if one likes a pick. A 7x pick might be thought of as a 5% edge or more. Best capper in the world pick around 54-56% long term on a 50/50 bet.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/picks/tools/odds-converter/


I'm not talking about implied probability.
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May 7th, 2017 at 6:23:34 AM permalink
Yesterday's Results:
 Twins -700
 Blue Jays -100
 Nationals +100
 White Sox -700
 Braves -749
 Marlins -100
 Giants -100
 Cubs -945
 Tigers -100
 Angels +111
 Rangers -100

Yesterday's results: -3,383
+130dogs -1,400
Other dogs -289
Favorites 0
Focus Picks -1,694
FocusFlips 0

YTD Total -8,365
+130dogs +3,602
Other dogs -924
Favorites -862
Focus Picks -8,781
FocusFlips -1,400
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May 7th, 2017 at 6:26:42 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I get a little worried when you start blacklisting teams. What's the logic behind that?



I had noticed last year that one or two teams start out losing and never recover. This year I am attempting to find and reduce the wager size on those.

The record since I started doing that is that the blacklisted teams are a cumulative 4 wins and 11 losses. It has, and yes it's a small sample size, worked so far. Interestingly, the White Sox are close to breaking onto that list and supplanting the Rays. Not quite yet though.
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May 7th, 2017 at 6:28:29 AM permalink
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I got the Reds at +115 ML for tomorrow. What do you think of that, Steeldco? Yay or nay?


Also, question......would it be possible for you to include the probability chance for each game you select? I remember before you were saying you bet on dogs that you believe to have a 45% chance to win or better (or something like that). If it's too much work or if you don't want to share that part of your system with us, I understand.



RS, I'll give it some thought. As you know I play it pretty tight to the vest as far the algorithm is concerned. We'll see.
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May 7th, 2017 at 6:53:43 AM permalink
Today's Picks:
 Marlins 123
 Braves 108 Focus 7X's
 Brewers 115
 White Sox 110
 Twins 159 +130Dogs 7X's
 Indians -104
 Phillies 120
 Diamondbacks 106 Focus 7X's
 Tigers 100
 Rangers 108
 Reds 100
 Yankees 114
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May 7th, 2017 at 7:24:27 AM permalink
The "edge" is assumed over "implied" when Steel talks about ideally hitting 45% on picks that average +150. Steel is good at line shifting and thus he likely can even do better than a +150 average on his dog. But this dog wont hunt unless he hits above 40%. You have to assume he thinks there is a 3-5% or more edge or why place the wager since? The 7x is the magic though...or the poison if it turns south and the algo variance bites you. Real question is what's the likelihood that variance will wipe one out at 7x even if picking with an edge?
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May 7th, 2017 at 3:52:31 PM permalink
Steel,

What kind of variance do you expect or have you seen in your MLB betting? Having you had $13,000 swings where you can be up 6k on year but end up down 7k later in the betting season? What's your thoughts on variance and what is normal vs unusual for a 7x type betting with 1x sprinkled in?
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May 8th, 2017 at 9:33:05 AM permalink
Yesterday's Results:
 Marlins +123
 Braves -700
 Brewers +115
 White Sox -100
 Twins -700
 Indians +100
 Phillies +120
 Diamondbacks -700
 Tigers -100
 Rangers -100
 Reds +100
 Yankees 114

Yesterday's results: -1,728
+130dogs -700
Other dogs +272
Favorites +100
Focus Picks -1,400
FocusFlips 0

YTD Total -10,093
+130dogs +2,902
Other dogs -652
Favorites -762
Focus Picks -10,181
FocusFlips -1,400
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May 8th, 2017 at 9:33:35 AM permalink
Today's Picks:
 Orioles -106
 Marlins 110
 Reds 127
 Rockies 119
 Athletics -103
 Padres -133 Focus 7X's
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May 8th, 2017 at 9:48:17 AM permalink
Quote: bazooooka

Steel,

What kind of variance do you expect or have you seen in your MLB betting? Having you had $13,000 swings where you can be up 6k on year but end up down 7k later in the betting season? What's your thoughts on variance and what is normal vs unusual for a 7x type betting with 1x sprinkled in?



Last year, the low point for the +130dogs was 05/13/17 at -3,556. The high point was on 08/16/16 at +15,001.
The average win/loss on the +130dogs last year was 6,683.
The median win/loss was 6,748.

This year, the low point for the +130dogs was on 04/04/17 at -700. The high point this year was on 04/19/17 with +5,973.
The average for this year is 4,247.
The median this year is 4,725
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May 8th, 2017 at 12:57:24 PM permalink
I hope that pattern repeats. A nice run from the Dogs from May until August would be great. I hope to see you end up in the Black YTD after all picks are counted.
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May 8th, 2017 at 1:47:06 PM permalink
Steel, what's your average odds on your Focus picks? Assuming that you're betting $800 to $900 per 7x favorite bet then you seems to be around 10+ bets off expected pace.

Had you flipped these favorite bets what odds/results would you be at ytd? Have the opposite sides hit near 45%?
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May 8th, 2017 at 2:13:57 PM permalink
Quote: bazooooka

Steel, what's your average odds on your Focus picks? Assuming that you're betting $800 to $900 per 7x favorite bet then you seems to be around 10+ bets off expected pace.

Had you flipped these favorite bets what odds/results would you be at ytd? Have the opposite sides hit near 45%?



The Focus picks for this year are 17 and 32, for a win rate of 34.69%.
I think that I previously stated what the Focus pick favorites have done when you, correctly, suggested that a certain group of favorites get flipped.
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May 8th, 2017 at 2:32:08 PM permalink
Yes my own system is similar to your focus fades and I often found that your focus picks were on the other side of my big underdogs. But I'm curious how many of you focus picks are in the -100 to -140 range?

The focus flips I talked about last week were often -140+ favs. However it seems quite strange that you -100 to -140 fav picks also seem to be hitting near 40% when they should be at 55-60% based on implied.

Maybe look back at all your -100 to -140 picks over the years (like you did on the bigger favorites) and see if they hit below 50%; if so then your algo is picking up on something and that info is profitable.

I've made good money on betting on the opposite of systems that were consistently picking losers.
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May 9th, 2017 at 5:06:34 AM permalink
Yesterday's Results:
 Orioles +100
 Marlins -100
 Reds -100
 Rockies 0
 Athletics +100
 Padres +700

Yesterday's results: +700
+130dogs 0
Other dogs -100
Favorites 100
Focus Picks +700
FocusFlips 0

YTD Total -9,393
+130dogs +2,902
Other dogs -752
Favorites -662
Focus Picks -9,481
FocusFlips -1,400
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May 9th, 2017 at 5:56:09 AM permalink
Today's Picks:
 Padres 130 +130Dogs 7X's
 Orioles 141 FocusFlips
 Blue Jays 155 +130Dogs 7X's
 Giants 105 Focus 7X's
 Royals 140 +130Dogs 7X's
 Reds -105
 Brewers 130 +130Dogs 7X's
 Astros -205
 Rockies 110
 Angels 125
 Pirates 162 +130Dogs 7X's
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May 9th, 2017 at 6:25:52 AM permalink
Quote: steeldco

Today's Picks:
 Padres 130 +130Dogs 7X's
 Orioles 141 FocusFlips
 Blue Jays 155 +130Dogs 7X's
 Giants 105 Focus 7X's
 Royals 140 +130Dogs 7X's
 Reds -105
 Brewers 130 +130Dogs 7X's
 Astros -205
 Rockies 110
 Angels 125
 Pirates 162 +130Dogs 7X's



Damn, big day. I hope all your bets win (well, at least the +130 doggerooskies). :D
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May 9th, 2017 at 6:36:54 AM permalink
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Damn, big day. I hope all your bets win (well, at least the +130 doggerooskies). :D



One of my indicators is pointing to a great day for the +130dogs. However, there a couple of those picks that I don't particularly care to play, although I will. Fingers crossed here.
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May 9th, 2017 at 6:41:07 AM permalink
Quote: steeldco

One of my indicators is pointing to a great day for the +130dogs. However, there a couple of those picks that I don't particularly care to play, although I will. Fingers crossed here.



Which ones do you like or not like?
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May 9th, 2017 at 6:49:12 AM permalink
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Which ones do you like or not like?



On a purely subjective basis, I do not like the Blue Jays or Brewers.
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May 9th, 2017 at 7:58:12 AM permalink
Ah yes, an "indicator" says Tuesday, May 9th a great "day" to bet separate outcomes of non-correlated events contested by different sports franchises in multiple locations on that gambler's "day." Yessir, good luck indeed.
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May 9th, 2017 at 8:03:41 AM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

Ah yes, an "indicator" says Tuesday, May 9th a great "day" to bet separate outcomes of non-correlated events contested by different sports franchises in multiple locations on that gambler's "day." Yessir, good luck indeed.




LOL.....check back tomorrow ye of little faith.....
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May 9th, 2017 at 8:11:05 AM permalink
Question: Is the indicator you speak of the same thing as the algorithm? IE: Is it like a really high projected win probability? Or is it something outside of the algorithm, like a different algorithm or formula just for indicating a good day? Also, does your algorithm and/or indicator look at anything not quite relating to the game, such as weather or maybe something like politics or the personal lives of the players, or anything else? Anything you'd like to share, as I find this kind of stuff fascinating.

Like all my questions regarding your algorithms and methods, feel free not to answer since it's your own private work and all that........but that should go without saying.

Hoping for a good day.
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May 9th, 2017 at 8:35:54 AM permalink
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Question: Is the indicator you speak of the same thing as the algorithm? IE: Is it like a really high projected win probability? Or is it something outside of the algorithm, like a different algorithm or formula just for indicating a good day? Also, does your algorithm and/or indicator look at anything not quite relating to the game, such as weather or maybe something like politics or the personal lives of the players, or anything else? Anything you'd like to share, as I find this kind of stuff fascinating.

Like all my questions regarding your algorithms and methods, feel free not to answer since it's your own private work and all that........but that should go without saying.

Hoping for a good day.



The indicator that I was referring to was one that is outside of the algorithms and is something that I just noticed this year. I haven't back tested since it would be too time consuming for me. It's just one of those things that I noticed was occurring and I'm just keeping an eye on it to see if there is any value.

The algorithm and indicator are purely related to baseball stats. Nothing else comes into play.

Unlike my friend DrawingDead, I absolutely believe that there are patterns that exist that can be taken into account when making a wager based upon statistical evidence.
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May 9th, 2017 at 2:07:02 PM permalink
Why in the hell is Jared Weaver still pitching in the major leagues? Un-F-ing believable.............
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May 9th, 2017 at 2:38:58 PM permalink
Steel for kicks can you post your favorite 2 team parlay out of the above +130 dogs. Which 2 does your algo feel strongest on? Not for tracking purposes since parlay odds are junk but would be fun to call a few out ahead of time =)
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May 9th, 2017 at 2:48:24 PM permalink
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Steel for kicks can you post your favorite 2 team parlay out of the above +130 dogs. Which 2 does your algo feel strongest on? Not for tracking purposes since parlay odds are junk but would be fun to call a few out ahead of time =)



Just for grins and giggles since I gave up playing parlays, robins, etc. decades ago....
I would take the Royals and Pirates.
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