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March 3rd, 2017 at 3:16:55 PM permalink
Hey guys been in and around sports betting for a long time from both sides of the counter. Stepped away from it all in 2009 when I obtained a business that I ran for the last 8 years but am now back in the game! I primarily play poker but have been studying a bit of NBA recently and felt why not have a place to document my plays, track results and maybe engage in some conversation/learning with a group. Keep in mind I seek value so some days there are zero plays and some days there are 10. I don't follow a certain system there are many variables I look at and instinct does play a role. Gonna start off with a bang tonight as I have a decent amount of plays.

YTD 0-0

Tor/Was UNDER 207.5
Mia/Orl OVER 208.5
Orlando +5
Milwaukee +5
Mem/Dal UNDER 190
Dallas moneyline +120
Okc/Pho UNDER 226.5
Phoenix +4.5
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Rising,

Welcome to the forum, and good luck. You might find the NBA betting thread from steeldco interesting, where he's doing something similar, though only betting ML, based on an algorithm he's developing. He updates his results daily, so you should find it under recent threads most of the time.
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March 4th, 2017 at 1:27:28 PM permalink
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YTD 0-0

Tor/Was UNDER 207.5
Mia/Orl OVER 208.5
Orlando +5
Milwaukee +5
Mem/Dal UNDER 190
Dallas moneyline +120
Okc/Pho UNDER 226.5
Phoenix +4.5



NBA
Sides 4-0 +4.2 units
Totals 1-3 -2.3 units

Overall 5-3 +1.9 units


For Saturday...

Mem/Hou UNDER 221
Brooklyn +11
Brk/Por OVER 224.5
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March 5th, 2017 at 1:32:58 AM permalink
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NBA
Sides 4-0 +4.2 units
Totals 1-3 -2.3 units

Overall 5-3 +1.9 units


For Saturday...

Mem/Hou UNDER 221
Brooklyn +11
Brk/Por OVER 224.5




NBA

Sides 4-1 +3.1 units
Totals 2-4 -2.4 units

Overall 6-5 +0.7 units


For Sunday...

Ind/Atl UNDER 209 *Note 12 noon CST start

More to come later in the day
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March 5th, 2017 at 5:01:44 AM permalink
Oddly familiar.

Who else has that tagline?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 5th, 2017 at 12:55:08 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Oddly familiar.

Who else has that tagline?




It's a quote from the movie The Color of Money
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March 5th, 2017 at 1:36:05 PM permalink
If you knew you would have 10 million guarenteed in your next life by the age of 35, and the powers that be told you that you have the option to earn it or win it, what would you choose?
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March 5th, 2017 at 1:48:18 PM permalink
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For Sunday...

Ind/Atl UNDER 209 *Note 12 noon CST start

More to come later in the day




2h Golden State Warriors -8
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If you knew you would have 10 million guarenteed in your next life by the age of 35, and the powers that be told you that you have the option to earn it or win it, what would you choose?




Earn it! Part of the fun of winning is the "unknown". If it were a guarantee I think more joy would come from putting in physical effort to obtain it.
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March 5th, 2017 at 1:55:47 PM permalink
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2h Golden State Warriors -8




Bos/Phx UNDER 228.5

Dallas -1


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March 5th, 2017 at 2:34:12 PM permalink
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Earn it! Part of the fun of winning is the "unknown". If it were a guarantee I think more joy would come from putting in physical effort to obtain it.



Agree. It would be more rewarding with a feeling of accomplishment.
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I've accomplished enough in my life. I'll take it free at this point.


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March 5th, 2017 at 5:08:58 PM permalink
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It's a quote from the movie The Color of Money

I'm aware of that. I was saying your posts sounded familiar just a diffrent sport and personal background. I think his name was Zourah.

I thought I seen someone here with that tagline as well, no doubt many people like it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 5th, 2017 at 10:58:07 PM permalink
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NBA

Sides 4-1 +3.1 units
Totals 2-4 -2.4 units

Overall 6-5 +0.7 units


For Sunday...

Ind/Atl UNDER 209
2h Warriors -8
Bos/Phx UNDER 228.5
Dallas -1




YTD Totals

Sides 5-1-1 +4.1 units
Totals 4-4 -0.4 units

Overall 9-5-1 +3.7 units
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March 6th, 2017 at 3:43:37 AM permalink
Quote: RisingDough

YTD Totals

Sides 5-1-1 +4.1 units
Totals 4-4 -0.4 units

Overall 9-5-1 +3.7 units



Okay... I'll try to decipher this cryptic lingo.

You got three columns: Win, Lose, Draw
Sides refers to which team won.
Totals refers to total points scored
Overall is a Running Total of your net financial gain.
And you are betting something called "units" so that its sort of like a Black Chip. Its atleast a hundred dollars but you can put down more than one such chip if you want to.
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March 6th, 2017 at 11:33:00 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Okay... I'll try to decipher this cryptic lingo.

You got three columns: Win, Lose, Draw
Sides refers to which team won.
Totals refers to total points scored
Overall is a Running Total of your net financial gain.
And you are betting something called "units" so that its sort of like a Black Chip. Its atleast a hundred dollars but you can put down more than one such chip if you want to.




You got it my man. Wasn't sure how to best keep track for ease of understanding. Anyone who follows can make their "unit" whatever they like. I bet a % of bankroll on my plays and adjust the bankroll daily, but didn't want to get confusing so kept it simple.
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March 6th, 2017 at 1:18:00 PM permalink
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You got it my man. Wasn't sure how to best keep track for ease of understanding. Anyone who follows can make their "unit" whatever they like. I bet a % of bankroll on my plays and adjust the bankroll daily, but didn't want to get confusing so kept it simple.



So is there no vig when you bet? For every 10 losses of 1 unit, there would be a unit lost to vig..

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March 6th, 2017 at 2:04:21 PM permalink
Zcore,

Of course....hence my record on totals of 4 wins and 4 losses

4 wins = +4 units and 4 losses = -4.4 I am currently -0.4 units

On sides....I have 5 wins = +5.2 units (one of my wins was on the money line at +120 odds meaning I risked 1 unit to win 1.2 units that my team would win straight up, no point spread) and 1 loss -1.1 units giving me a total of +4.1 units

I am basing them all on the standard -110 line for point spreads which is 10% vig or "juice"

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Zcore,

Of course....hence my record on totals of 4 wins and 4 losses

4 wins = +4 units and 4 losses = -4.4 I am currently -0.4 units

On sides....I have 5 wins = +5.2 units (one of my wins was on the money line at +120 odds meaning I risked 1 unit to win 1.2 units that my team would win straight up, no point spread) and 1 loss -1.1 units giving me a total of +4.1 units

I am basing them all on the standard -110 line for point spreads which is 10% vig or "juice"

thanks,

RD



Got it. If you click on my screen name and then the "My Blog" link, you can see the blog I kept here for a while on UFC betting.


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March 6th, 2017 at 2:54:00 PM permalink
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You got it my man. Wasn't sure how to best keep track for ease of understanding. Anyone who follows can make their "unit" whatever they like. I bet a % of bankroll on my plays and adjust the bankroll daily, but didn't want to get confusing so kept it simple.

So the amount you will be betting will be diffrent each day?

Will we know in advance how much you will be betting on each game before you bet?

Will there be some bets made that you don't post about? Because we all love a good story of how someones posted up picks lost for the season, however they made a bunch of big non-posted bets and made up for losses and they even won for the season.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 6th, 2017 at 3:32:36 PM permalink
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So the amount you will be betting will be diffrent each day?

Will we know in advance how much you will be betting on each game before you bet?

Will there be some bets made that you don't post about? Because we all love a good story of how someones posted up picks lost for the season, however they made a bunch of big non-posted bets and made up for losses and they even won for the season.




Nah everything I bet I post,everything I post I actually bet. Everything will be considered 1 unit unless otherwise specified. This is how I've generally seen sports picks listed. Anyone who follows along can just slip whatever bet size they choose in for their units. Whether their unit is $50, $100, $500 etc they decide.

Thus far if you followed along and were a $50 bettor you would be up $205, if your units were $500 you would be ahead $2050.


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March 6th, 2017 at 3:46:48 PM permalink
Monday:


Miami +10
Philadelphia +5.5
Por/Min OVER 213.5
Denver -12


Might come back and take UNDER in the Boston game later if it moves up some more..currently at 217



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March 6th, 2017 at 3:51:08 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

So the amount you will be betting will be diffrent each day?

Will we know in advance how much you will be betting on each game before you bet?

Will there be some bets made that you don't post about? Because we all love a good story of how someones posted up picks lost for the season, however they made a bunch of big non-posted bets and made up for losses and they even won for the season.



Of course. That's where the cleanup happens.

The classic, didn't have time to post these, but I bet them so I want my record to reflect it.
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March 6th, 2017 at 3:59:31 PM permalink
Quote: SM777

Of course. That's where the cleanup happens.

The classic, didn't have time to post these, but I bet them so I want my record to reflect it.




Man you guys are suspicious!! Win or lose I am legit I promise you I don't fudge numbers etc. But I have to earn your trust so I understand.


GL


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March 6th, 2017 at 7:29:19 PM permalink
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Monday:


Miami +10
Philadelphia +5.5
Por/Min OVER 213.5
Denver -12


Might come back and take UNDER in the Boston game later if it moves up some more..currently at 217


RD



Adding:

Bos/Lac UNDER 218.5

The Por/Min game got postponed so no action on that one
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March 7th, 2017 at 1:56:31 PM permalink
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Adding:

Bos/Lac UNDER 218.5

The Por/Min game got postponed so no action on that one




Interesting night and points out why line shopping and timing are so important! First off the Portland/Minnesota game was postponed!

(The Timberwolves announced the game was postponed, and Jerry Zgoda of the Star Tribune noted it would be rescheduled. Jon Krawczynski of the Associated Press said there is ice underneath the floor in Minnesota's Target Center that was used for a Disney show and hockey tournament.

Jason Quick of added, "Condensation from high humidity is causing slick spots around edge of court. They've lowered arena temperature and cleared court to mop.")



I had Miami +10 points and they beat Cleveland outright 106-98

The Sixers I had +5.5 which did not cover as they lost 112-98

Now the other two games line shopping came into play....

I bet Denver -12 right before I posted my plays......had I waited until closer to game time I could have gotten them -10.5 as that is where the line closed. This would have gotten me a winner instead of a push as Denver won the game 108-96.

In my late game I had Boston/Clippers under 218.5....I stated in my post I was going to wait until the line moved up from the current # of 217 and it paid off. The game was pacing under for the first 3 quarters and they needed a 73 point 4th quarter to beat me and they almost did it scoring 72 and dribbling out the last 7 seconds! The game finishes up 116-102 and I win by half a point.


The moral of the story is line shopping is HUGE! When I used to do this full time I had money in 36 different offshore accounts plus used 6 local bookies. I always made sure I got the best line available. Every so often you will win instead of pushing or push instead of losing or even win instead of losing just by getting the best number!



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March 7th, 2017 at 2:03:37 PM permalink
So last night our record was

2 wins
1 loss
1 push


YTD totals

Sides 6-2-2 +4 units
Totals 5-4 +0.6 units

Overall 11-6-2 +4.6 units
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March 7th, 2017 at 2:10:52 PM permalink
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So last night our record was

2 wins
1 loss
1 push


YTD totals

Sides 6-2-2 +4 units
Totals 5-4 +0.6 units

Overall 11-6-2 +4.6 units



Off to a pretty good start rd. Do you only follow NBA or College hoops too? March Madness is coming!
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March 7th, 2017 at 2:30:36 PM permalink
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Off to a pretty good start rd. Do you only follow NBA or College hoops too? March Madness is coming!



I don't bet much college during the regular season but will most likely make a few bets during the tournament. The more interest a sport gets the more attracted "joe public" gets which brings a lot of dead money into the game. Value can be found so I will be there. It's just like the stock market in a way. Public perception drives the numbers making the numbers inefficient creating value. The value is not always realized right away but just like many AP bets over the long haul you will win.


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March 7th, 2017 at 4:59:40 PM permalink
Tuesday:

Portland +7
Por/Okc OVER 221.5
Dallas -9


Might play the late game as well later..


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March 8th, 2017 at 12:51:53 PM permalink
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Tuesday:

Portland +7
Por/Okc OVER 221.5
Dallas -9


Might play the late game as well later..


RD



3-0 for the night

YTD

Sides 8-2-2 +6 units
Totals 6-4 +1.6 units

Overall 14-6-2 +7.6 units
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March 8th, 2017 at 3:37:15 PM permalink
Wednesday action:

New Orleans -3
Denver -2
Celtics +8.5
Tor/NO UNDER 204.5
Minnesota +3.5
Knicks +6.5


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March 8th, 2017 at 11:24:30 PM permalink
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Wednesday action:

New Orleans -3
Denver -2
Celtics +8.5
Tor/NO UNDER 204.5
Minnesota +3.5
Knicks +6.5


Gl

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3-3 tonight

New figures..

YTD

Sides 10-5-2 +4.7 units
Totals 7-4 +2.6 units

Overall 17-9-2 +7.3 units
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March 9th, 2017 at 3:57:02 PM permalink
Thurs:

No action
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March 10th, 2017 at 2:26:15 PM permalink
Friday:

Tor/Atl UNDER 201.5
Milwaukee -2.5
Orlando +8.5
Denver +4.5
Washington -7.5


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March 11th, 2017 at 10:47:01 AM permalink
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Friday:

Tor/Atl UNDER 201.5
Milwaukee -2.5
Orlando +8.5
Denver +4.5
Washington -7.5


Gl

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3-2 for the night..

new totals...

YTD

Sides 13-6-2 +6.6 units
Totals 7-5 +1.5 units

Overall 20-11-2 +8.1 units
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Nice going.......keep it up.
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March 11th, 2017 at 12:35:52 PM permalink
Phi/Lac OVER 214
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March 11th, 2017 at 3:47:22 PM permalink
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Phi/Lac OVER 214



Rest of Saturday...

Portland -4.5
Denver -5
No/Cha UNDER 204
Tor/Mia UNDER 202
Min/Mlw UNDER 203
Was/Por OVER 222.5 **** Had to come back and adust this one...I put under at first....the play is OVER!!!


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March 11th, 2017 at 3:50:04 PM permalink
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Phi/Lac OVER 214



Tough one... very close ending to that game... sixers suck!. Are you playing in your poker tourny today?
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March 11th, 2017 at 3:54:29 PM permalink
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Tough one... very close ending to that game... sixers suck!. Are you playing in your poker tourny today?



tomorrow at noon'


ps agree sixers suck LOL
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March 11th, 2017 at 4:50:53 PM permalink
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tomorrow at noon'


ps agree sixers suck LOL



oh yea , tomorrow. where is it at?
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March 11th, 2017 at 9:50:06 PM permalink
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Rest of Saturday...

Portland -4.5
Denver -5
No/Cha UNDER 204
Tor/Mia UNDER 202
Min/Mlw UNDER 203
Was/Por OVER 222.5 **** Had to come back and adust this one...I put under at first....the play is OVER!!!


GL

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Final tally for the day 4-3

YTD Totals

Sides 14-7-2 +6.5 units
Totals 10-7 +2.3 units

Overall 24-14-2 +8.8 units
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March 12th, 2017 at 6:26:12 PM permalink
Phi/Lak OVER 223
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March 12th, 2017 at 9:03:59 PM permalink
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Phi/Lak OVER 223



1-0 on the day

YTD

Sides 14-7-2 +6.5 units
Totals 11-7 +3.3 units

Overall 25-14-2 +9.8 units
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March 13th, 2017 at 4:56:56 PM permalink
Monday:

Atl/Sa UNDER 202.5
Milwaukee +4
Minnesota -2


will probably bet a late game but waiting for line movement will post if I do


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March 13th, 2017 at 5:49:21 PM permalink
No March Madness?
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March 13th, 2017 at 7:14:32 PM permalink
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Monday:

Atl/Sa UNDER 202.5
Milwaukee +4
Minnesota -2


will probably bet a late game but waiting for line movement will post if I do


RD



Adding:

Lal/Den OVER 227
Orl -2
Orl/Sac UNDER 207
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March 13th, 2017 at 10:15:11 PM permalink
Bad day..

2-4 -2.4 units on the day


YTD

Sides 15-9-2 +5.3 units
Totals 12-9 +2.1 units

Overall 27-18-2 +7.4 units
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onenickelmiracle
onenickelmiracle
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March 13th, 2017 at 11:38:24 PM permalink
I might like when you post your picks, post some randomly picked picks against them, which could repeat your own picks. Like you pick 3 games, 3 games are chosen randomly from all available. I thought about the same thing you've done, but for horseracing, but to show how useless a guru can be. Maybe next year I'll do it.
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