How Accurate Is Vegasinsider?
Edit: Bonus question: Can you tease a line if the current line requires -120 (and pays the listed fixed odds)?
As far as teasers go, the policy varies from casino to casino. Bottom line, the only accurate answers you'll get to your questions are by going there and finding out for yourself.
In my opinion you should only really pay attention to the line at pinnacle. Don't forget to factor in the juice.
Oh geejus, and whaddaya know, up pops Shlab with a typical "answer" pulled outta the Botnik shorts, surprise not. Spend a lot of time in a lotta Las Vegas books do ya there Joeshlab? More than perhaps, oh, say, the guy who asked the question? Sometime in this century? And guess ya know a whole lotta 'bout the workings of 'dem "arbitrage teams" while you're at it, eh?" I kinda doubt it.Quote: Joeshlabotnik...made-up drivel...
Cell phones have definitely NOT been anything like "forbidden" in sports books for the better part of a decade, and for years now most of the better books have even been providing free wifi to customers in the book, for crissakes. They simply ask you to please not be on the phone while coming up to the counter to wager. I don't even consider using a book anymore that doesn't provide me with a workstation equipped with, at a bare minimum: conveniently located power outlets that are adequate for my computer & tablet & cell simultaneously, and good quality reliable high-speed wifi internet access so I don't have to tether through my phone for the streaming data feeds that I constantly use all day long in the book. Most real books amounting to more than a satellite William Hill kiosk tucked in the corner of a little ghetto grind joint are set up to do that, and have been for a long time. Though there are still a few of them (like The Mirage) that haven't upgraded their infrastructure in the book for a long time, so I did once need the assistance of the (very eagerly helpful) book's manager to locate one of their available power connections under the old cabinetry, so I wouldn't be limited to battery power while spending twelve hours there, as I commonly do in race/sportsbooks. And at a few, like TI and Bally's, you may need to get a password from one of the supervisors for the wifi that's dedicated only for use of customers in the book, to prevent it from being used by general wandering Shlabs out in the slots & bars & whatnot who aren't doing anything in the book.
Ahiromu, if it is important enough to you to check lines in real time, one option is that you could open advance deposit wagering accounts covering most of the books and use their sports wagering apps to see their lines for most things, even if not to actually make your wager that way, so long as your cell phone is physically within Nevada at the time (residency not required - just physical location at the moment of use). Off the top of my head a partial list of those with apps now available putting their books online includes: The Boyd casinos, Cantor (the book operator for multiple major Las Vegas casinos incl. Venetian), the MGM-Mirage properties, Southpoint, Station Casinos, TI, Westgate (formerly LV Hilton), William Hill (book for many casino locations throughout Nevada), Wynn, and probably a couple of others that escape my recollection at the moment. The only book operator of any consequence that I can think of right now that hasn't come out with an online (in-state use only) sportsbook wagering app is Caesars Entertainment.
I like to use VegasInsider for some things, just because it's handy, but not for real-time or even hourly accuracy. For something like looking at the first line "hung" on baseball "overnights" they've usually provided what I need for tracking some data on some spreadsheets of mine. But my experience has been that the timeliness and degree of completeness of their updates is inconsistent, and not suitable for relying upon them for something highly time sensitive.
Quote: JoeshlabotnikIt's also precisely the reason why sports books forbid the use of cell phones (and don't have any pay phones nearby).
Did this start in the past couple of weeks? I was just out there and used my cellphone standing in the middle of the sports book...
Well, sit the hell down, 'cause you're prolly blocking the view of the dozens of people using their tablets & phones.Quote: RonCDid this start in the past couple of weeks? I was just out there and used my cellphone standing in the middle of the sports book...
Quote: RonCDid this start in the past couple of weeks? I was just out there and used my cellphone standing in the middle of the sports book...
As DD mentioned, it is just wrong information. Today there was a gentleman @ the Wynn Sportsbook (pretty much camped out with notepad) reading off college football lines while on the phone. He was doing this rather loudly if you ask me, but nobody cared. As long as you are not talking on it (or looking at it) while making a wager, you are fine.
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A couple of online sites that do provide requested information like VegasInsider: Pinnacle, Scores and Odds. Accuracy of information will vary and should only be used as a guide.
Quote: DrawingDeadWell, sit the hell down, 'cause you're prolly blocking the view of the dozens of people using their tablets & phones.
I did once I found the damn game I was looking for on the darned board. Lucky for me, the book was just opening up...it took me way too long to find it!!
Not enough EV to bother with the deposit account... I only get out there 4 times a year these days.
Quote: DrawingDeadOh geejus, and whaddaya know, up pops Shlab with a typical "answer" pulled outta the Botnik shorts, surprise not. Spend a lot of time in a lotta Las Vegas books do ya there Joeshlab? More than perhaps, oh, say, the guy who asked the question? Sometime in this century? And guess ya know a whole lotta 'bout the workings of 'dem "arbitrage teams" while you're at it, eh?" I kinda doubt it.
Well, you is definitely wrong about that, hyuk, hyuk.
I worked such a team off and on for about five years from 2005-2009. That team still exists, I have several friends still on it, and several of them have been told in no uncertain terms to put away their phones while in the sports book. And I'm talking about this season. I would imagine that if you look like someone who couldn't pencil in a parlay card without injuring himself, they might leave you alone.
But perhaps it is now carried on as a super-secret special Agent007 "Joe" rule that has remained unknown to everyone else with any real acquaintance with Las Vegas books throughout this decade, including management, line-staff employees, and both casual and not at all casual customers alike. At least the ones who are not so brilliantly sharp as to be constantly scattering everyone to escape the screeching noise from the loud constant bellowing about how much they 'know.' I guess only the super sophisticated pros would wanna be like that, as an ingenious double-reverse bank-shot disguise to go with the moustache & rubber nose & dark glasses and official team member t-shirt, and that just the platinum elite uber-sharp above-all-sharps would be cleverly making sure that they do not appear to be at all like the other thousands of people that have been routinely taking advantage of the convenient wireless communications that books have now for so long not only routinely permitted as a normal part of the business but added infrastructure to competitively facilitate.
Yup, you betcha, upon further review that's prolly it, and you're just far too advanced, Joe. So do continue with your mission, in all things on all topics here, as you were.
I will need cliff notes. Either way it seems to be telling Joesh he was full of it, so ya you're probably right.Quote: DrawingDeadOh geejus, and whaddaya know, up pops Shlab with a typical "answer" pulled outta the Botnik shorts, surprise not. Spend a lot of time in a lotta Las Vegas books do ya there Joeshlab? More than perhaps, oh, say, the guy who asked the question? Sometime in this century? And guess ya know a whole lotta 'bout the workings of 'dem "arbitrage teams" while you're at it, eh?" I kinda doubt it.
Cell phones have definitely NOT been anything like "forbidden" in sports books for the better part of a decade, and for years now most of the better books have even been providing free wifi to customers in the book, for crissakes. They simply ask you to please not be on the phone while coming up to the counter to wager. I don't even consider using a book anymore that doesn't provide me with a workstation equipped with, at a bare minimum: conveniently located power outlets that are adequate for my computer & tablet & cell simultaneously, and good quality reliable high-speed wifi internet access so I don't have to tether through my phone for the streaming data feeds that I constantly use all day long in the book. Most real books amounting to more than a satellite William Hill kiosk tucked in the corner of a little ghetto grind joint are set up to do that, and have been for a long time. Though there are still a few of them (like The Mirage) that haven't upgraded their infrastructure in the book for a long time, so I did once need the assistance of the (very eagerly helpful) book's manager to locate one of their available power connections under the old cabinetry, so I wouldn't be limited to battery power while spending twelve hours there, as I commonly do in race/sportsbooks. And at a few, like TI and Bally's, you may need to get a password from one of the supervisors for the wifi that's dedicated only for use of customers in the book, to prevent it from being used by general wandering Shlabs out in the slots & bars & whatnot who aren't doing anything in the book.
Ahiromu, if it is important enough to you to check lines in real time, one option is that you could open advance deposit wagering accounts covering most of the books and use their sports wagering apps to see their lines for most things, even if not to actually make your wager that way, so long as your cell phone is physically within Nevada at the time (residency not required - just physical location at the moment of use). Off the top of my head a partial list of those with apps now available putting their books online includes: The Boyd casinos, Cantor (the book operator for multiple major Las Vegas casinos incl. Venetian), the MGM-Mirage properties, Southpoint, Station Casinos, TI, Westgate (formerly LV Hilton), William Hill (book for many casino locations throughout Nevada), Wynn, and probably a couple of others that escape my recollection at the moment. The only book operator of any consequence that I can think of right now that hasn't come out with an online (in-state use only) sportsbook wagering app is Caesars Entertainment.
I like to use VegasInsider for some things, just because it's handy, but not for real-time or even hourly accuracy. For something like looking at the first line "hung" on baseball "overnights" they've usually provided what I need for tracking some data on some spreadsheets of mine. But my experience has been that the timeliness and degree of completeness of their updates is inconsistent, and not suitable for relying upon them for something highly time sensitive.
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Rigondeaux may have not wrote a long detailed post, but when he actually does say something regarding this kind of stuff, it would be wise to pay attention to what he does say.
LOL.Quote: RonCDid this start in the past couple of weeks? I was just out there and used my cellphone standing in the middle of the sports book...
Not only do they let you use a cell, you can crack out a laptop at the counter with a football program open, all while talking on your cell phone.
1. Joe is special. Still, like always.
2. Everyone else, those crowds of people in the books constantly on their phones & tablets & internet connected computers using the free wifi in the book & the power outlets put in for them to do all that stuff that everybody sees them doing every day, is not so special as Joe and his special friends.
1. Initial lines that come out Sunday for the next week, on Monday
2. Big news about a player being out or confirming they will play
3. Right before kickoff
Ya ddefinitely special.Quote: DrawingDeadHere's your Cliffs, Axel:
1. Joe is special.
Quote: DrawingDead
Yup, you betcha, upon further review that's prolly it, and you're just far too advanced, Joe. So do continue with your mission, in all things on all topics here, as you were.
Yep, I will, thanks. And that you feel I'm special (with which I concur, of course) makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
Quote: AxelWolfYa ddefinitely special.
Yes indeed, and don't think that I don't feel tremendous sympathy for all you unspecial people.
Quote: JoeshlabotnikI worked such a team off and on for about five years from 2005-2009. That team still exists, I have several friends still on it, and several of them have been told in no uncertain terms to put away their phones while in the sports book. And I'm talking about this season. I would imagine that if you look like someone who couldn't pencil in a parlay card without injuring himself, they might leave you alone.
I contend that this is completely wrong and/or completely made up. There are ways we could test your crackpot stories, would you care to make a sizeable wager on it?
Obviously if you're listening to music or watching porn someone would tell you to knock it off. If you're looking up information to help you earn a profit betting sports, no one will stop you.
After seeing how retarded this statement was I took notice more and took a picture of a guy using his laptop and "office" set up comparing lines and using some sports software. He was sitting in the sports book only 10 to 15 feet away from the sports betting window today(they had clear view of him) He was there before 7:48 am (sports book was dead so they had to notice him) Until 9:47 when he jumped in line. I stood 2 spots behind him. after I got rejected on my bets (3 $50 parlays) I walked by him as I was leaving and he was counting out stacks of 100 dollar bills to pay the writer.Quote: JoeshlabotnikYou have no guway of knowing whether the line as it is now will be the same thirty seconds from now, let alone the duration of a cab ride. That's why arbitrage teams have people camping out in every major sports book. It's also pre cisely the reason why sports books forbid the use of cell phones (and don't have any pay phones nearby).
As far as teasers go, the policy varies from casino to casino. Bottom line, the only accurate answers you'll get to your questions are by going there and finding out for yourself.
What happened with TomG's offer of a bet? Not a taker on that one? What a surprise!
Too much action in on parlays.Quote: billryanWhy did your bets get rejected?
I would be jealous if Tom got action on this bet.Quote: AussieThis thread is hilarious! A guy who thinks he knows it all has his pants pulled down by people who actually know what they're talking about. Does he concede defeat? Of course not! Why would you do that when you can double down with an equally absurd story? Classic stuff!
What happened with TomG's offer of a bet? Not a taker on that one? What a surprise!
I already got screwed from BBB getting a free $200 from Maxpen, I didn't think or know if that was serious offer.
Quote: AxelWolfI would be jealous if Tom got action on this bet.
I already got screwed from BBB getting a free $200 from Maxpen, I didn't think or know if that was serious offer.
He offered twice for any takers. I gave it a couple days, because I didn't think he was serious at first. He basically goaded me into double or nothing, mostly as a gentleman's bet, but I said okay, defiantly expecting to lose.
And since then it seems to be going my way, but it ain't over yet. However, I'll vouch for MaxPen anytime as a result. So there's that.
It's the best site for glancing at lines.
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Quote: DrawingDeadOh geejus, and whaddaya know, up pops Shlab with a typical "answer" pulled outta the Botnik shorts, surprise not. Spend a lot of time in a lotta Las Vegas books do ya there Joeshlab? More than perhaps, oh, say, the guy who asked the question? Sometime in this century? And guess ya know a whole lotta 'bout the workings of 'dem "arbitrage teams" while you're at it, eh?" I kinda doubt it.
Cell phones have definitely NOT been anything like "forbidden" in sports books for the better part of a decade, and for years now most of the better books have even been providing free wifi to customers in the book, for crissakes. They simply ask you to please not be on the phone while coming up to the counter to wager. I don't even consider using a book anymore that doesn't provide me with a workstation equipped with, at a bare minimum: conveniently located power outlets that are adequate for my computer & tablet & cell simultaneously, and good quality reliable high-speed wifi internet access so I don't have to tether through my phone for the streaming data feeds that I constantly use all day long in the book. Most real books amounting to more than a satellite William Hill kiosk tucked in the corner of a little ghetto grind joint are set up to do that, and have been for a long time. Though there are still a few of them (like The Mirage) that haven't upgraded their infrastructure in the book for a long time, so I did once need the assistance of the (very eagerly helpful) book's manager to locate one of their available power connections under the old cabinetry, so I wouldn't be limited to battery power while spending twelve hours there, as I commonly do in race/sportsbooks. And at a few, like TI and Bally's, you may need to get a password from one of the supervisors for the wifi that's dedicated only for use of customers in the book, to prevent it from being used by general wandering Shlabs out in the slots & bars & whatnot who aren't doing anything in the book.
Ahiromu, if it is important enough to you to check lines in real time, one option is that you could open advance deposit wagering accounts covering most of the books and use their sports wagering apps to see their lines for most things, even if not to actually make your wager that way, so long as your cell phone is physically within Nevada at the time (residency not required - just physical location at the moment of use). Off the top of my head a partial list of those with apps now available putting their books online includes: The Boyd casinos, Cantor (the book operator for multiple major Las Vegas casinos incl. Venetian), the MGM-Mirage properties, Southpoint, Station Casinos, TI, Westgate (formerly LV Hilton), William Hill (book for many casino locations throughout Nevada), Wynn, and probably a couple of others that escape my recollection at the moment. The only book operator of any consequence that I can think of right now that hasn't come out with an online (in-state use only) sportsbook wagering app is Caesars Entertainment.
I like to use VegasInsider for some things, just because it's handy, but not for real-time or even hourly accuracy. For something like looking at the first line "hung" on baseball "overnights" they've usually provided what I need for tracking some data on some spreadsheets of mine. But my experience has been that the timeliness and degree of completeness of their updates is inconsistent, and not suitable for relying upon them for something highly time sensitive.
