Quote: RSThat seems backwards to me... O_O
Ooops. You're right. The table has been corrected. I apologize for the error.
I think I'm going to quit bothering with these half point cards. It isn't worth the bother to analyze them if you can bet only so little. However, there is sufficient interest, I'll keep posting.
Edit: @RS wanna throw 200 on Dallas with me ehhhhhhh???? f!#/ing browns wont cover
Analyzing the cards is always the easy part: look at your phone or up at the board, compare it to the stale numbers, then darken in some of the bubbles.
Getting money down has always been the harder part. But there have always been ways for just one person to bet well into five figures every week if they're willing to put in the hours and miles around the city (or state).
I put in a about eight four-team cards and 15 $5 seven team cards this afternoon with no problems other than the usual waiting times.
Quote: Pinit2winit@wizard i put in 12 50 dollar cards at plaza last weekend, fill wait 5 mins put one in etc etc etc
Edit: @RS wanna throw 200 on Dallas with me ehhhhhhh???? fucking browns wont cover
Is it +EV? I honestly know almost nothing about sports betting/handicapping/etc. Last year some guy in line asked me who I was betting on, I said some team like patriots or chargers, he was confused and said they had a bye this week. Then I was like oh no, I mean uhh....last week, yeah! But of course that team lost last week. If the tellers & sports book people would quit asking who I'm betting on, that'd be great.
Quote: WizardThis morning Binion's accept 3 out of 7 $50 cards. Then I waited an hour and tried to put the other four in at the Plaza. They took zero.
Sorry for my naivete, why will they not accept bets on cards that they offer?
Lets keep that stuff in a PM.Quote: Pinit2winit@
Edit: @RS wanna throw 200 on Dallas with me ehhhhhhh???? f!#^ing browns wont cover
Quote: VCUSkyhawkSorry for my naivete, why will they not accept bets on cards that they offer?
Because they have a player advantage. Same reason they cut players off for playing blackjack, video poker, or anything, with an advantage. Discrimination against smart players, basically.
Quote: WizardThis morning Binion's accept 3 out of 7 $50 cards. Then I waited an hour and tried to put the other four in at the Plaza. They took zero.
I think I'm going to quit bothering with these half point cards. It isn't worth the bother to analyze them if you can bet only so little. However, there is sufficient interest, I'll keep posting.
Now I'm really sad that you and we missed out on the week of the century, three weeks ago. We could have claimed the takedown of .5 point cards for ever. But :(
@RS just text me if youre out today, i was joking about 200 on the cowboys, i dont ever straight up bet, but when i mean to its on the falcons thursday night but i dont make it to the casino :(
I don't even think RS is in NV.Quote: Pinit2winit@ Axel :(
@RS just text me if youre out today, i was joking about 200 on the cowboys, i dont ever straight up bet, but when i mean to its on the falcons thursday night but i dont make it to the casino :(
I'll be out betting If you want to get breakfast or something.
Edit: Tomorrow i can be there at 730 if you wanna eat downtown i have until 10 tomorrow
Oh ya, I forgot, someone has to bring in the bacon (-;Quote: Pinit2winitSadly you know my time limits, Wife has work at 10, ill be out at 7:30 downtown, Text if you want specifics to meet for a chat or anything
Edit: Tomorrow i can be there at 730 if you wanna eat downtown i have until 10 tomorrow
I'll leave Downtown to you since you fit in better around there (-;
Might be an early morning for this anyways(not for me). I'll text you in the field.
Quote: Wizard
I think I'm going to quit bothering with these half point cards. It isn't worth the bother to analyze them if you can bet only so little. However, there is sufficient interest, I'll keep posting.
I sure hope you keep posting them. It educates the public and reinforces how important getting the best number is.
Me some others have something special for you.Quote: DRichI sure hope you keep posting them. It educates the public and reinforces how important getting the best number is.
It may be a moot point.They are declining individuals not just the good games. I can randomly pick anything and they say you have had enough.
It doesn't matter where I go.
Lesson is.... loose lips.
Quote: WizardThis morning Binion's accept 3 out of 7 $50 cards. Then I waited an hour and tried to put the other four in at the Plaza. They took zero.
I think I'm going to quit bothering with these half point cards. It isn't worth the bother to analyze them if you can bet only so little. However, there is sufficient interest, I'll keep posting.
. . . if you're already at Binion's you could have just gone to El Cortez, Golden Nugget or Fitz and played them. They'll flag cards, but unlike WH only at a certain level, so instead of seven $50 cards you might need to do 25 $15 cards or 35 $10 cards. The payouts might be less, but the EV is definitely higher than zero
This week hasn't been worth anything anyways. . .
LA +3.5, Jacksonville +8.5, Giants -2.5. . .
Quote: Pinit2winitEdit: @RS wanna throw 200 on Dallas with me ehhhhhhh???? f!#/ing browns wont cover
Cleveland +290. One good bet. . .
Quote: TomGLA +3.5, Jacksonville +8.5, Giants -2.5. . .
3-0 on the top plays is usually pretty good. Unfortunately also had Tennessee +5.5 on too many of them. Looks to be one of the rare weeks close to even
Quote: TomGThe payouts might be less, but the EV is definitely higher than zero.
I would have to look at the payouts but I think I would disagree. Or maybe only positive on a very good week with lots of spreads right on 3 or 7.
Quote: WizardI would have to look at the payouts but I think I would disagree. Or maybe only positive on a very good week with lots of spreads right on 3 or 7.
If, Then, statements . . .
If six teams at 50-1 or seven at 100-1 at William Hill are +EV, Then 10 teams at 800-1 must also be +EV. If you pick randomly, you have a 50% chance of winning each additional game and the payouts increase at a rate of times two. But you can limit yourself to only picking games where you're getting an extra half-point and must be better than 50%.
I know the protest screams already. "Variance."
But:
If you would be playing six and seven team cards anyway, the added variance is only that of a three or four team parlay. Which is valid, but:
If you would have played seven $50 cards, then you may instead play 35 or more $5 and $10 cards to reduce both variance and heat.
Obviously it starts to become more and more like work. That's what happens when trying to earn money
(and five teams at 23-1 or six teams at 46-1 or better aren't too rare around Las Vegas)
Living in a Nevada border state I hope at the very least someone will post the william hill card so I can decide if it's worth the 2 hour drive to the casino.
Favorite | Underdog | Line on Underdog | Market on Underdog |
---|---|---|---|
Bal | Clev | 9.5 | 7.5 |
Hou | Jack | 1.5 | 2 |
Car | KC | 3.5 | 3 |
NOS | Den | 2.5 | 3 |
NYJ | Rams | 2.5 | 2 |
Phil | Atl | 0.5 | -2 |
Wash | Min | 3.5 | 2.5 |
GB | Tenn | 2.5 | +3 (-120) |
Chic | TB | 0.5 | 1 |
SD | Mia | 3.5 | 4 |
Ariz | SF | 13.5 | 13.5 |
Pitt | Dal | 2.5 | 2.5 |
NEP | Sea | 7.5 | 7.5 |
NYG | Cin | 1.5 | 0 |
Here are my favorite plays:
Pick | Market | Basis points |
---|---|---|
Min +3.5 | 2.5 | 48.4 |
KC +3.5 | 3 | 27.0 |
NOS -2.5 | -3 | 15.8 |
Atl +0.5 | -2 | 14.0 |
Clev +9.5 | 7.5 | 13.6 |
It would not surprise me if they take Min +3.5 off the cards or just deny almost anything with it on. Keep in mind that Clev +9.5 is the Thursday night game, so you only have 2.5 hours there.
Quote: WizardOkay, I heard you guys. Here is the week 10 William Hill NFL plays.
Favorite Underdog Line on Underdog Market on Underdog Bal Clev 9.5 7.5 Hou Jack 1.5 2 Car KC 3.5 3 NOS Den 2.5 3 NYJ Rams 2.5 2 Phil Atl 0.5 -2 Wash Min 3.5 2.5 GB Tenn 2.5 +3 (-120) Chic TB 0.5 1 SD Mia 3.5 4 Ariz SF 13.5 13.5 Pitt Dal 2.5 2.5 NEP Sea 7.5 7.5 NYG Cin 1.5 0
Here are my favorite plays:
Pick Market Basis points Min +3.5 2.5 48.4 KC +3.5 3 27.0 NOS -2.5 -3 15.8 Phil +0.5 -2 14.0 Clev +9.5 7.5 13.6
It would not surprise me if they take Min +3.5 off the cards or just deny almost anything with it on. Keep in mind that Clev +9.5 is the Thursday night game, so you only have 2.5 hours there.
Thanks Wizard! Is the difference between the market's +7.5 on the Browns, and the +9.5 on the card that significant? Although it's two points, it doesn't cross a significant score differential (3, 7, 10).
Quote: AyecarumbaThanks Wizard! Is the difference between the market's +7.5 on the Browns, and the +9.5 on the card that significant? Although it's two points, it doesn't cross a significant score differential (3, 7, 10).
You can always do a google search for NFL margin of victory. Games land on either the 8 or 9 about 3% of the time, which means the favorite will win by that much close to 2.5% of the time. Enough to make it +EV on the cards, but not a very strong play. But for tonight, there's Cleveland +10.5 elsewhere, so no reason to bother with something borderline at William Hill. Been crushed betting on the Browns all year, so why not load up on them again this week?
Quote: StuunodHey there Wizard...is that supposed to be Atl instead of Phil??? Thanks
Yes, thanks for the correction.
Favorite | Underdog | Line on Underdog | Market on Underdog |
---|---|---|---|
Indy | Tenn | 2.5 | 3.5 |
Det | Jack | 6.5 | 6.5 |
KC | TB | 7.5 | 7.5 |
NYG | Chic | 7.5 | 7.5 |
Ariz | Min | 0.5 | -2.5 |
Cin | Buff | 2.5 | 3 (-120) |
Dal | Bal | 7.5 | 7 EV |
Pitt | Clev | 7.5 | 8 |
Mia | Rams | 1.5 | 1.5 |
NEP | SF | 12.5 | 13 |
Sea | Phil | 6.5 | 6.5 |
Wash | GB | 2.5 | 3 (-120) |
Oak | Hou | 5.5 | 6 |
Only two strong plays this week:
Pick | Market | Basis points |
---|---|---|
Inday -2.5 | -3.5 | 37.2 |
Min +0.5 | -2.5 | 18.4 |
Quote: StuunodTenn is underdog. Please clarify. Thanks.
You're right. Thanks for the correction.
Quote: Wizard
Only two strong plays this week:
Pick Market Basis points Inday -2.5 -3.5 37.2 Min +0.5 -2.5 18.4
It is interesting that the Vikings card is a full 3 points off the market, but only rates 18.4 basis points, while the Colts are only one point off market, but rate better than double (I assume because it turns a spread of 3 into a winner).
The Titans ate Green Bay's lunch last week though. Why no love against the Colts?
It's why Dolphins -0.5 is looking good and could be a great bet for those who go out Sunday morning, if the market moves to LA +3 -120.
Played Bills +3.5 on every card, so if they win could be a good week, but think college has already wiped out quite a bit.
Titans +3 is a great bet, been playing it off the board all week.
Favorite | Underdog | Line on Underdog | Market on Underdog |
---|---|---|---|
SD | Hou | 1.5 | 1.5 |
Tenn | Chic | 4.5 | 5 |
Buff | Jack | 7.5 | 7.5 |
Bal | Cin | 4.5 | 4 |
Atl | Ariz | 4.5 | 5 |
Mia | SF | 7.5 | 7.5 |
NO | Rams | 7.5 | 7 EV |
NYG | Clev | 7.5 | 7 |
Sea | TB | 6.5 | 6 |
Oak | Car | 3.5 | 3 EV |
Den | KC | 3.5 | 3.5 |
NEP | NYJ | 7.5 | 7.5 |
Phil | GB | 3.5 | 4 |
Only three decent picks, as of Thursday evening:
Pick | Market | Basis points |
---|---|---|
Rams +7.5 | 7 EV | 9.6 |
Clev +7.5 | 7 | 19.6 |
Car +3.5 | 3 EV | 17.0 |
Here is the week 13 WH card.
Favorite | Underdog | Line on Underdog | Market on Underdog |
---|---|---|---|
Den | Jack | 4.5 | 5 |
Atl | KC | 3.5 | 5 |
GB | Hou | 6.5 | 6.5 |
Phil | Cin | 0.5 | 1.5 |
NO | Det | 5.5 | 6 |
Chic | SF | 1.5 | 1 |
NEP | Rams | 13.5 | 13.5 |
Bal | Mia | 3.5 | 3.5 |
Oak | Buff | 3.5 | 3 (-105) |
SD | TB | 3.5 | 3.5 |
Ariz | Wash | 2.5 | 2.5 |
Pitt | NYG | 6.5 | 6 |
Sea | Car | 6.5 | 7 EV |
Indy | NYJ | 1.5 | 2 |
Only two decent picks:
Pick | Market | Basis points |
---|---|---|
Buff +3.5 | 3 (-105) | 22.0 |
Sea -6.5 | -7 (-120) | 18.4 |
Another week I'm going to sit out.
Pick | Market on underdog |
Den +0.5 | +1 |
SD +1.5 | +1.5 |
Hou +5.5 | +6.5 |
Clev +5.5 | +5.5 |
Buff +1.5 | +3 (-115) |
Ariz +0.5 | -2 |
Chic +7.5 | +8 |
Jack +3.5 | +3 EV |
NO +2.5 | +3 (-120) |
Phil +0.5 | +2 |
NYJ +2.5 | +2.5 (+110) |
GB +2.5 | +3 |
Rams +6.5 | +6.5 (-105) |
NYG +3.5 | +3.5 (-105) |
Bal +7.5 | +7 (-120) |
Good good picks this week. I like:
Pitt -1.5 (vs Buff)
Ariz +0.5
Jack +3.5
TB -2.5 (vs. NO)
Wash -0.5 (vs. Phil)
Sea -2.5 (vs GB)
Bal +7.5
Quote: WizardGood good picks this week.
Let's see how those would have done:
Pitt -1.5 (vs Buff) -- W
Ariz +0.5 -- L
Jack +3.5 -- L
TB -2.5 (vs. NO) -- W
Wash -0.5 (vs. Phil) -- W
Sea -2.5 (vs GB) -- Big L
Bal +7.5 -- W
Favorite | Underdog | Line on Underdog | Market on Underdog |
---|---|---|---|
Sea | Rams | 15.5 | 16 |
Mia | NYJ | 2.5 | 2.5 |
Dal | TB | 6.5 | 7 (-120) |
NYG | Det | 4.5 | 4 |
Bal | Phil | 5.5 | 5.5 |
GB | Chic | 6.5 | 5.5 |
Min | Indy | 4.5 | 4 |
Buff | Clev | 10.5 | 10 |
KC | Tenn | 5.5 | 5.5 |
Hou | Jack | 6.5 | 5.5 |
Ariz | NO | 2.5 | 3 |
Atl | SF | 13.5 | 14 (-115) |
NEP | Den | 3.5 | 3 EV |
Oak | SD | 3.5 | 3 (-120) |
Pitt | Cin | 3.5 | 3 EV |
Wash | Car | 4.5 | 6.5 |
Some good picks this week!
Pick | Market | Basis points |
---|---|---|
SD +3.5 | 3 (-120) | 37.0 |
Den +3.5 | 3 EV | 17.0 |
Cin +3.5 | 3 EV | 17.0 |
Wash -4.5 | -6.5 | 16.6 |
Clev +10.5 | 10 | 16.2 |
Ariz* -2.5 | 3 | 15.8 |
Indy +4.5 | 4 | 12.3 |
Det +4.5 | 4 | 12.3 |
* Corrected
Quote: RSSomething seems off with the NO game. Underdog but -2.5? Did you mean AZ -2.5 or are they in wrong spot on first table?
Thanks for the correction. I just fixed it. The second table should have said Ariz -2.5.
Pick | Market | Basis points |
---|---|---|
SD +3.5 | 2.5 | 37.0 |
Den +3.5 | 3 EV | 17.0 |
Cin +3.5 | 3 EV | 17.0 |
Wash -4.5 | -6.5 | 16.6 |
Det +4.5 | 4 | 12.3 |
Clev +10.5 | +10 (-105) | 11.2 |
Quote: AyecarumbaTrusting the Browns to come within anything less than 17 seems scary. How many times have they covered this season?
More times than they have played the dysfunctional Bills!
Quote: AyecarumbaTrusting the Browns to come within anything less than 17 seems scary. How many times have they covered this season?
They have covered twice this year.