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nnlg
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January 25th, 2010 at 12:23:19 PM permalink
Hi
I always wonder what is the statistics of the slots machines that have a lot of line (for a example up to 9 lines) they have at least 5 reels.
Is there a different statistics if I choose 1 line over 9 lines?
What is the statistics for all choices that there is (1 to 9)?
If you don't know can you point me to a place that knows?

best regards
lior
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February 17th, 2010 at 7:09:33 PM permalink
Quote: nnlg

Hi
I always wonder what is the statistics of the slots machines that have a lot of line (for a example up to 9 lines) they have at least 5 reels.
Is there a different statistics if I choose 1 line over 9 lines?
What is the statistics for all choices that there is (1 to 9)?
If you don't know can you point me to a place that knows?

best regards
lior



Hi L,

It will depend on the specific machine model as well as the machine type:
Class II slots have Bingo/Keno underpinnings (for legal reasons) and payouts are determined by pattern matching tables selected by the line bet made. This bet also determines the number of balls drawn to match numbers in your card. When a win occurs, the first pattern matched in the table determines your line win. This will be multiplied by your per-line bet to yield your total return. In this case all the wheel spinning, line winking, and character picking is just so much "fluff" for your entertainment only. If the tables are provided in the payout screens, you may calculate the win probability and return percentages from them.
Class III Machines do not have this underpinning and so you are now in a wysiwyg environment, maybe. What appears in the wheel apertures determines your win or loss directly. The distribution of characters in each wheel (selection vector) may not be given, so the calculations needed cannot be made. To further complicate matters, the wheels used for each line bet alternative may be different. So it is not certain that increasing your line bet will proportionally increase your probability of winning.
Bottom line, answer to your question is dependent on how much information is divulged in the payout/help screens of a particular slot model you are playing.

Regards,

WHG
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February 18th, 2010 at 2:14:45 AM permalink
I have designed lots of multi-reel slots, and seen the PARS sheets for many others. I can say that the reel stripping is the same regardless of how many lines you bet. So unless there is some incentive in the pay table for a max bet, the return is the same for any number of lines bet.

Class II slots are a horse of a different color. As the poster above said, you are really playing bingo, and the slot machine graphics are just a way to present what you won in bingo.
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February 18th, 2010 at 5:58:58 AM permalink
Why does everyone think of Class II whenever multi-line slots are mentioned? The majority of "real" slots in "real" casinos these days are the virtual reel, multi-line type.

That aside, I don't know what statistics nnlg is asking about, but I can tell him (or her) that you're usually better off playing the max lines, depending on how the secondary bonus game and jackpot are triggered.

For instance, if the bonus round or jackpot were triggered only by lining up across the middle, then it would certainly make sense not to bother playing any other lines, but that's not the way it works on most mutli-line slots.

in most cases the bonus and/or jackpot is triggered by scattered symbols, and they can appear in any of the 45 reel positions (9 lines x 5 reels). While it is always possible for the scattered symbols to line up perfectly along the center line, it is highly unlikely.

It's the same principle as playing max coin on the old mechanical 3-reelers, because the jackpot on that last coin gives you a larger jackpot. Mind you, I'm not saying you have to play max coin on multi-line slots, just that you should usually cover all the lines with at least one coin because the bonus rounds are the places where you'll usually win a higher amount.
jon707
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February 27th, 2010 at 5:57:49 AM permalink
Hi there, I was wondering if you know of any online casinos that have the "catch a wave"

five real video slot machine. Thanks...I played all night on this game and did very good

not to mention it is a very fun slot machine....Take care
steakneggs
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May 14th, 2010 at 2:54:54 PM permalink
I've been curious about strategies for these multi-line slots. The first assumption would be that betting on more lines would increase the chances of having a win on each spin. Yet, when I test this I find instead that the win frequency feels about the same, but when you manage to hit a winning combination you get a bunch of multiple-hits on different lines. I think this is because these different lines really are not all that independent, but actually occur in "families" of lines (e.g. lines which cross the center position). The only really independent lines are the first 3, going straight across. So, playing 3 instead of 1 line should result in 3x as many winning spins. But, what is the optimal number after that? I know the exact number will be affected by just how the additional lines are drawn, but in general it seems to me that the advantage of extra lines is some sort of diminishing function. Any thoughts?
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May 14th, 2010 at 5:05:31 PM permalink
As you suspected, the hit frequency goes up as the number of lines bet goes up, but the rate of increase diminishes, due to the paylines crossing each other. However, as I wrote, above the return stays the same regardless of how many lines you bet, unless there is some incentive for betting all of them.
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May 14th, 2010 at 9:36:03 PM permalink
Yes, I figured the return would be the same but I was thinking more about the frequency of getting winning combinations. I assume that most people play more lines so they can get more action. With a single line slot you can go through an awful lot of spins before something finally happens (like the fabulous cherries for 2 credits!). So, most people would probably figure that if you play 10 lines you'll hit stuff 10x as often. But you don't really for the reasons already given. There's also the complication of bonuses. The ones that have to occur on a payline to be triggered never seem to occur more than once in a spin - you get the bonus round or you don't. And a lot of machines also have bonuses that come from symbols that are randomly scattered on the screen, so number of lines doesn't affect the chance of getting the required number of symbols. All of this is definitely making me feel that the optimal number of lines to recommend playing is not all of them (OK, unless there's a super special bonus that you can only get by playing all the lines), but also probably not one either. But what is it?
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